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LostBee said:
Gillingham No 2 is a complete arsewipe,was there any need for his reaction after the penalty?******.
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Talking to some Gills in The Griffin after the game and they said they dont even like him down in Kent. Cited his "winding up of the oppo" and his "sh*t distribution"
 

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From almost directly behind the goal upstairs in Brook road, I saw Masters beaten by Mulligan who rounded him and then slipped over and lost the ball. It was certainly not a dive as it would have been easier to score, but it equally certainly wasn't the result of contact with Masters and should never have resulted in a penalty and his sending-off. Frampton's passionate defence of Masters helped set-up a gritty response (and made me fear that he too would get carded) and several players acquitted themselves well, including a courageous performance from Mousinho. Willock dug deep and must be disappointed that his effort didn't have a greater result. No crock of gold under the rainbow.
 

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Fantastic entertainment but what worries me is might be 2 valuable points dropped at the end of the season as Gillingham were dire with the exception of their skipper.

First 20 minutes was the worst I've seen at GP, with no shape, no bite and no hope of scoring but.......

When the option was roll over and die or stand up and be counted I'm delighted they virtually everyone opted for the latter.

The whole of the back four protected John Mousinho well and Willock gave us pace and frightened the life out of their defence.

Main concern was midfield and thought ours was woeful and if one of them had played well we'd have won even with ten men.

I really rate Adam Griffiths but he looked lost in midfield well before we went down to 10, and Oli for me was like a headless chicken. He looked unfit and with the exception of the pass for the second goal was a waste of space. He appeared to be outmuscled far too often by lesser players and made silly rash challenges to try and get his own back. He has to step up to the plate sooner rather than later and dominate games if he is to justify his salary and status. Know he has ability but I only make it about twice this season that I've seen any sign of it.

Tomlin tried but was lightweight and Thomas whose appearance I welcomed was absolutely awful and made no contribution whatsoever.

Karle Andrews showed promise but the balance and shape didn't look right.

Having said all that there didn't appear to be any lack of effort. Whilst encouraged by this I'm not expecting any sudden upturn in fortunes given the next two league games think we are going to be facing a relegation dogfight for the rest of the campaign.
 

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90% sure no contact from Masters - would love to see a replay (and see if we appeal). Real shame for the lad, and for us (always helps to have a bit of competition for places)

Gillingham - absolutely hopeless. I was gearing up to return to the Griffin for half time if it became 2-0 to them, and instead it was 2-1 to us!! They could have no real complaints if it had finished like that - truly rubbish.

I love Pinault - a real cultured player, but he does need a hard nut next to him to make the tackles.

Rosenior - right idea (and brave) to bring on Willock for someone destined for a second yellow, even so early in the game.

I'm pretty happy, although it feels like 2 points lost.
 

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i thought even from the half-way line on New rd that he slipped over for the penalty but i would like to see it again.A fantastic backs to the wall performance...the second half went so slowly but the defence was outstanding.Feels like a win and shows theres nothing wrong with the team spirit.Willock had his best game yet ......i still think we will stay up this season
 

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CREDIT TO ALL TODAY!!!

The players played as a team and shouwed passion and spirit.

The fans did their bit too,

We all worked for each other and in the end came away with a grudging point.

Only disappointing thing for me was Oli, half heartedly applauding the Brook Rd crowd as he walked off - oh and the ref and new rd lino OFFICIALS THEIR HAVING A LAUGH!!!!
 

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coconino said:
From almost directly behind the goal upstairs in Brook road, I saw Masters beaten by Mulligan who rounded him and then slipped over and lost the ball. It was certainly not a dive as it would have been easier to score, but it equally certainly wasn't the result of contact with Masters and should never have resulted in a penalty and his sending-off..
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That's how I saw it which if true is very bad luck on Masters and us...will await the video replay with interest.

I wonder if a more experienced keeper might have pleaded his case more in the face of some appalling intimidation of the ref by Gillingham...Keane and Manu style at their worst.
 

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i sit in the middle of the new road. all of us thought if anyone had touched their player for the pen it was. o'conner not masters as he'd already rounded the keeper. The ref was a pr*t. We'll surely win the appeal. The only good thing about that awful decision was that it made for a great game afterwards. Because the first 20 minutes was dire.
 

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LostBee said:
Gillingham No 2 is a complete arsewipe,was there any need for his reaction after the penalty?******.

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:imwith: Absolute disgrace. Would have been quite happy for one of our players to have lamped him one
 
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Les Beeavinu said:
I fear for Pinault. He's got lovely skills, as good as we've seen for a long while, and his attitude is ok, he just doesn't look as though he can deal with the hurly-burly. A shame but I think we shan't be seeing much more of him. Brooker will be back though because Karde-Andrews and Tomlin can't do the job week in, week out.
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I'm sure everyone will disagree but I think we really should be looking at Oli rather than Pinault or Brooker. I'm not really sure exactly what Skulason brings to the team. He's not a holding player as he doesnt win the ball enough, and he's not an attacking player as his passing is not good enough and he doesnt get into the penalty area. It's really quite an indictment of his form that Griffiths was brought in as a holding player in front of him.

To be frank, if we play the same midfield (Oli, Tomlin, Carder-Andrews) away at Oldham and Forest we will get absolutely slaughtered....
 

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when we go to Gillingham...I will be near the front.....right side


BRING IT IN JUPP !
 

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I was standing directly behind the penalty incident and it looked like the bloke tripped over either the ball or his own feet. I'll be very disappointed if it's not rescinded on appeal.
As for Duncan Jupp, Fulham scumbag... says it all.
 

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A very exciting game.

I'm practically certain Masters made no contact and it was a dive. I can't say I was suprised though that a player tried to do that to Masters. If I was the opposite manager and I'd seen that team sheet then my thoughts would be to try and get Masters sent off and pepper whoever goes in goal after that with shots.

Felt sorry for Carder-Andrews having his game ruined by the referee effectively but he'll get his chance to shine again.

Mousinho came in for the penalty. Fell the right way but couldn't get close enough. Looked very shaky for the last 30 minutes of the first half but who can blame him that.

Wijnhard had to be taken off. One more thing and he'd have been off. It was a suprise at first when you saw Willock coming on but when Wijnhard was coming off the assumption was self preservation.

Heywood's goal was very well taken and well deserved as he had been protecting Masters well and now was protecting Mousinho. Great move and a very good goal.

Willock's performance showed that he could do the business for us. His goal felt like ages before it crossed the line.

2nd half the team was under the cosh and they stepped up to the challenge admirably. They fought for everything and Mousinho made two great saves. His dealing with crosses seemed to have got better although his kicking was patchy he did what was asked of him.

Their goal it looked as if Pinault had given the ball away in a critical area and Flynn was able to put the ball past Mousinho to equalise. They then celebrated as if they'd won the game yet it had taken them three quarters of an hour to break down a team with ten men and a defender/midfielder in goal and in that time that team had scored two.

Willock was never offside bringing his disallowed goals count up to two (Millwall being the other).

We managed to hold out for a point but as said earlier we were robbed of all 3 by that decision by the referee but after that decision we thought we'd be lucky to get a point.

I was disappointed with the reception Mousinho got due to the fact that most of the fans wanted to abuse the referee.
 

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Just seen the red card incident on TV. The player appeared to do a little jump in the air after going past our goalie and then fell over. There appeared to be no contact.
 

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pompeybee said:
Can we knock this one on the head please?

Having a defender on the line doesn't mean it wasn't an obvious goalscoring opportunity. If a defender had brought him down when he would have been one on one with the keeper, no-one would argue with a red card, although clearly with the keeper to beat you've got less of a goal-scoring opportunity than if it's a defender.

Unfortunately from where I was towards Ealing Road end of New Road I couldn't say whether Masters actually did bring him down. But it looked pretty clear to me. If he took a while to go down, might it just have been because he was actually try to stay on his feet and score?

As for possible penalty early on to Bees, I was level with that and it was a great tackle that took the ball cleanly. The fact that the ref had not given a couple of other clear fouls our way in the couple of minutes before probably didn't help peoples' reaction to it though. I didn't see the players having a go.

Oh dear, I seem to be sticking up for the ref. But even if he got these two right he was still poor.
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have you changed your mind now after watching it on the TV this morning?

pathetic post......................
 

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Assume BFC will appeal against the red then ? Surely it will be an open and closed case, no red card
 

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GABS said:
Assume BFC will appeal against the red then ? Surely it will be an open and closed case, no red card
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Can we appeal to get the lost two points?
 

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I've been rather dreading going to Oldham on Saturday, will be my 4th game this season, the others being Scunthorpe, Chesterfield and Rotherham away so yet to see us win.
The main problem I've seen so far is that we don't look like a 'team' but from the comments in this thread, hopefully, it could all be coming together at last. Though that could just be the '10 man effect'.
I hope not.
 

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Great game of football.. had it all.. ref was a disgrace, shame we couldn't hang on, but no complaints... we should just about be OK if we carry on like that... but I am very worried about picking up points away from GP.
 

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IsleofWight_Bee said:
it wasn't a pathetic post, he said it how he saw it....he was just WRONG :sorted:
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Thank you. Like I said, I couldn't see for sure whether it was actually a foul (and I haven't seen it on TV). My main point was that if the ref saw it as a foul, it was always going to be a red even if there was a man on the line. Jupp was a prat but I think the ref would have sent Masters off without the benefit of his advice.

Apologies in advance to Paul for another pathetic post.
 

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Pompeybee
You make an interesting point about 'covering players', yet how often do we see red cards not given when there are players goalside of a keeper who has just brought down a forward? That is the excuse that is used, but usually those 'covering' players have a lot more to do to get to the ball than the forward who has been tripped. Interesting also that the penalty given away by Bristol City did not result in a red card as the referee clearly saw that as a foul.
Not disagreeing with you in principle, but I believe that the usual interpretation is that if there are players in a covering 'position' a yellow card is awarded unless the foul is sufficiently violent or cynical. I don't believe that either of the latter adjectives applied yesterday.
 

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KGB said:
Pompeybee
You make an interesting point about 'covering players', yet how often do we see red cards not given when there are players goalside of a keeper who has just brought down a forward? That is the excuse that is used, but usually those 'covering' players have a lot more to do to get to the ball than the forward who has been tripped. Interesting also that the penalty given away by Bristol City did not result in a red card as the referee clearly saw that as a foul.
Not disagreeing with you in principle, but I believe that the usual interpretation is that if there are players in a covering 'position' a yellow card is awarded unless the foul is sufficiently violent or cynical. I don't believe that either of the latter adjectives applied yesterday.
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Me and another GPGer called Murphalot seem to agree with each other on this one, but I think we're pretty much on our own.

I take your point though. There seems to be an inconsistency in interpretation of the directive on obvious goalscoring opportunities here. How surprising is that?
 

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pompeybee said:
Me and another GPGer called Murphalot seem to agree with each other on this one, but I think we're pretty much on our own.

I take your point though. There seems to be an inconsistency in interpretation of the directive on obvious goalscoring opportunities here. How surprising is that?
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I am led to believe he is participating in a refereeing course, hence him quoting the rules quite so well, but as they say...

Refs know the rules, but they don't know the game
 

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Ronan said:
I am led to believe he is participating in a refereeing course, hence him quoting the rules quite so well, but as they say...

Refs know the rules, but they don't know the game
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It's a fair cop. Now jacked it in, but was a ref for 30+ years, with career highlight coming on as 4th official at QPR when they were in old Div 1 in 1992. Rangers won 4-0 that day, despite my best efforts.
 

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Pompey Bee
You should not have jacked it in - you are entirely correct on this one.
If Masters had clipped their player, then he would have had to be sent off. The fact that another Brentford player was on the line makes no difference. Just think about it....when a player is through on goal and the defender brings him down he is sent off....but there is still one player to beat, and that is the goalkeeper!
Yes we all know now that their player dived but that does not make your original post pathetic, as someone on here descibed it.
A reflection of just how bad these officials were could be seen from them being unable to get the basics right. There were a number of foul throws taken by their leftback in the second half. After 2 foul throws some of the crowd on the New Road side were yelling out at the linesman to watch the throw, and he then proceeded to take another blatant foul throw! Where are the assessors........because these guys were not fit to take a school match?
 

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A bit tired after a week on the booze but where was Brooker?
I have looked on loads of threads........... honest.
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
A bit tired after a week on the booze but where was Brooker?
I have looked on loads of threads........... honest.
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Bench warming. Which was one better than Tillen managed.
 

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rick lovesey said:
Pompey Bee
You should not have jacked it in - you are entirely correct on this one.
If Masters had clipped their player, then he would have had to be sent off. The fact that another Brentford player was on the line makes no difference. Just think about it....when a player is through on goal and the defender brings him down he is sent off....but there is still one player to beat, and that is the goalkeeper!
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You're right. I'd forgotten that having Kevin on the line still mean't that Masters was the "last man" in terms of the rule.

What I will say though, is that conceding a penalty, going down to 10 men, and ending up with no goalkeeper just seems a totally disproportionate punishment for a foul (whether it was or wasn't) which wouldn't have even resulted in a yellow card in another area of the pitch. The rule is a joke imho and should be changed.
 

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Owlsmoor_Bee said:
You're right. I'd forgotten that having Kevin on the line still mean't that Masters was the "last man" in terms of the rule.

What I will say though, is that conceding a penalty, going down to 10 men, and ending up with no goalkeeper just seems a totally disproportionate punishment for a foul (whether it was or wasn't) which wouldn't have even resulted in a yellow card in another area of the pitch. The rule is a joke imho and should be changed.
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I agree, especially when the 'foul' in question wasnt intentional, Masters just missing the ball and the player getting a little contact and then throwing himself to the floor a second later..
 

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Pompey,

Tks - I do actually agree with you as to what should happen. The trouble is it so often doesn't. There were two more examples at the weekend - the 3rd Sheffield Weds goal against QPR and the Arsenal penalty against Reading - although the Reading situation was really strange as i don't think there was a 'covering' player or a card of any colour produced.

Unfortunately the 'last man' argument raised by others here, although relevant, doesn't affect the inconsistency of the decisions given. So often the 'covering' players are the 'last' man, but their chance of getting to the ball before the tripped player are pretty remote. Kev was a covering player on the goalline on Saturday - altho' he had slipped over.

Clark was unlucky - I think there was contact but it didn't look intentional - the Gillingham player - being charitable - slipped 'similarly' to Kev & the referee made the decision. If he had been in any way competent in the remainder of the game, I guess that this decision would have been in some ways accepted. The real trouble was that he could not even attain the level of 'poor' as others have pointed out.
 

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The biggest problem I have with the decision is the inconsistancy of it. By the letter if it's a foul Clark should have gone, the player was clear, only a defender on the line, if that's not a goalscoring opportunity I don't know what is.

However many referee's know have tweaked the law a little, and in quite a few games when a penalty is awarded a red card is not shown because the goalscoring opportunity has been given back. You can cite Wijnhard against Bristol City where he had an opportunity to score, it was removed by the foul but a penalty means it is restored, therefore it is not, in theory, denied.
If that had taken place outside the box I reckon the City defender would have been sent off because the best opportunity to score had been removed.

I actually don't have a problem with that interpretation but each referee seems to make their own call :mad1: :mad1: :mad1:
 

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everyone played wel except griffths
 

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mind he was out of position n hu nows wen owusu is gonna b bak
 

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:dj: shud cum bak

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KGB said:
Pompey,

Tks - I do actually agree with you as to what should happen. The trouble is it so often doesn't. There were two more examples at the weekend - the 3rd Sheffield Weds goal against QPR and the Arsenal penalty against Reading - although the Reading situation was really strange as i don't think there was a 'covering' player or a card of any colour produced.

Unfortunately the 'last man' argument raised by others here, although relevant, doesn't affect the inconsistency of the decisions given. So often the 'covering' players are the 'last' man, but their chance of getting to the ball before the tripped player are pretty remote. Kev was a covering player on the goalline on Saturday - altho' he had slipped over.

Clark was unlucky - I think there was contact but it didn't look intentional - the Gillingham player - being charitable - slipped 'similarly' to Kev & the referee made the decision. If he had been in any way competent in the remainder of the game, I guess that this decision would have been in some ways accepted. The real trouble was that he could not even attain the level of 'poor' as others have pointed out.
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