Greg Dyke

[Nick Hester]

So what is our big time Chairman going to do about the situation?

Actually be seen to do something or F*** off back to Man Utd?

I haven't seen this bloke do anything positive yet or can someone enlighten me?

 

[dealbee]

So what is our big time Chairman going to do about the situation?

Actually be seen to do something or F*** off back to Man Utd?

I haven't seen this bloke do anything positive yet or can someone enlighten me?

agree with you 100%

 

[Claire]

Your right, it is now time for him to get off his backside and do something to help us!!

WE ARE DESPERATE!!!!!!

 

[JTofBFC]

It is completely and utterly pointless having a figurehead Chairman like Greg Dyke fronting a Board for a club owned by an organisation like BU. Even if he wanted to put some of his substantial wealth into the club he probably wouldn't be allowed to.

I'm concerned that in BU, we now have a structure at the club that has as it's only ambition treading water. The new ground isn't happening (doubtful if it ever will) , debt won't get repaid because there seems to be no real strategy to do so.

Unless BU are prepared to allow people with proper money back into the fold then we will just see the club downsized gradually and playing performances will mean we probably end up as conference fodder a lot sooner than some of us dared to think. By letting people with money back into the club, I don't mean sell BU's share to the highest bidder, they now at least have the power to stop the club being hawked around to just anybody, but from where I am standing I would far rather they used their position to safeguard the ground and let the glory side of running a football club be handed over to someone who can actually inject some funds into the club.

Time for abee etc etc to start getting the wheels in motion for a proper consortium to get this club moving in the right direction again.

 

[IsleofWight_Bee]

who told you the new ground isn't going to happen?

 

[nocoat]

Pull your finger out Dyke

 

[joet]

Pull your finger out Dyke

i like that.

 

[Nurse Betty]

1. Why had Greg Dyke not put in the requisite amount to have a board seat?

2. If he has such great footballing contacts, why are we signing fourth choice strikers from Swindon on loan for 2 months?

3. We had a lot of publicity when he became Chair of the BFC Board. I suspect as much of that was generated by BU becoming majority shareholder in the club as the ex-BBC DG becoming our Chair? Where's the use of his media contacts?

 

[Calne Bee]

Who on the BFC board took part and approved LRs appointment?

Was it just Dyke? Or others on the board like Bee H/Burgess?

What's the process for getting rid? Can Dyke decide on his own?

Does anybody know how things like that work? I'm just interested.

 

[Edmundo]

It is completely and utterly pointless having a figurehead Chairman like Greg Dyke fronting a Board for a club owned by an organisation like BU. Even if he wanted to put some of his substantial wealth into the club he probably wouldn't be allowed to.

I'm concerned that in BU, we now have a structure at the club that has as it's only ambition treading water. The new ground isn't happening (doubtful if it ever will) , debt won't get repaid because there seems to be no real strategy to do so.

Unless BU are prepared to allow people with proper money back into the fold then we will just see the club downsized gradually and playing performances will mean we probably end up as conference fodder a lot sooner than some of us dared to think. By letting people with money back into the club, I don't mean sell BU's share to the highest bidder, they now at least have the power to stop the club being hawked around to just anybody, but from where I am standing I would far rather they used their position to safeguard the ground and let the glory side of running a football club be handed over to someone who can actually inject some funds into the club.

Time for abee etc etc to start getting the wheels in motion for a proper consortium to get this club moving in the right direction again.

Do you have any evidence that BU are blocking investment in the club, or are you just talking out of your arse?

 

[Sweepy]

Do you have any evidence that BU are blocking investment in the club, or are you just talking out of your arse?

Something tells me you've come home from today's game in a foul mood, Ed. Most other people knew we were going out of the cup last Saturday night, hence 3,607.

I don't know what Dyke does at the club. I don't know if he is paid. I don't know if he has put something in at all. What I do know is DJ Campbell was sold just days after he arrived. (Was the win against Sunderland the worst thing to ever happen to BFC or what?) I know results have gone downhill ever since, for reasons that go beyond the sale of DJ or any one event. I know we're currently staring down the barrel of the relegation gun. And our financial woes are as severe as ever.

I could have swore Dyke said something about turning things around (with the finances etc.) when he first arrived.

 

[JTofBFC]

Do you have any evidence that BU are blocking investment in the club, or are you just talking out of your arse?

Well I've got evidence that abee offered BU the £25,000 they said it would take to get Lange's shares off him and evidence that BU then didn't take abee up on his offer becaise he said it himself on here yesterday.

I presume you then don't accept the fact that if BU had 34% of the club more than they need that they could get some serious money for it from a combination of fans and other investors.

If you really think that,perhaps it isn't me that is "talking out of his arse"

 

[Jimbee]

Forget about your individual gripes with Greg Dyke and tell us exactly how he is to blame for the current on-field situation at GP.

 

[Wise old Bee]

Working in the civil service most of my working life means that I have little or no knowledge of company law etc so I ask, as a financial ignoramus, is there any benefit in the club going into administration? Relegation would presumably be a certainty but do Hounslow council still have the final say on the future use of GP in terms of planning applications? Nice as it would be to see Noades get about 10p in the £ would this also shaft the BU loan note holders? I just think that it could be time to wipe the slate clean and reform, probably as a struggling Div 2/Conference side with a groundshare rather than see this club die on its feet. If this is complete balls could someone confirm it for me? Thanks.

 

[1markbee]

Maybe he's having a meeting with another under fire manager, Peter Taylor about the Bees job?

 

[JTofBFC]

Working in the civil service most of my working life means that I have little or no knowledge of company law etc so I ask, as a financial ignoramus, is there any benefit in the club going into administration? Relegation would presumably be a certainty but do Hounslow council still have the final say on the future use of GP in terms of planning applications? Nice as it would be to see Noades get about 10p in the £ would this also shaft the BU loan note holders? I just think that it could be time to wipe the slate clean and reform, probably as a struggling Div 2/Conference side with a groundshare rather than see this club die on its feet. If this is complete balls could someone confirm it for me? Thanks.

No advantage at all because the assets (eg the ground) are worth more than the liabilities. If that happened, the ground would be sold (probably on a sale and leaseback to the new Company, all the creditors would be paid back and we would end up in League 2 mext year starting on -10 points..

 

[ChinaBee]

Greenholme, again you beat me to a new thread, sorry been playing happy families watching SCD and X Factor

Mr Dyke

Here we are one year on, out of the cup and 5th from bottom with just a hard season to look forward to. Last November we had got through to the 2nd round not knowing what the future in the cup would bring (Sunderland) however fresh in our minds that we had not been out of the top four and looking good for promotion.

There are people on the GPG where I am postinging this letter to you who will turn around and say MA bottled it, and it is my opinion that you feel the same way. So you stopped his funds and made sure he went, some would say well done Greg you have kept BFC going. Well after today (3.5k crowd), what is your 5 MINUTE plan let alone your 5 year plan.

I believe you may well have been allowed to put our club into administration by being the tough guy that BU needed to confront MA

Well I say f off to you, all the supporters who have castigated MA over the last 5 months because today goes to show that MA was good for this club and LR, GD, BB et al are not

Bring back PMA and a reason why people drive 30 miles to see that sh*te

 

[Nick Hester]

Or others on the board like Bee H?

.

Errr...I think he ran a one man crusade totally against the appointment..

 

[Calne Bee]

Errr...I think he ran a one man crusade totally against the appointment..

Good man!


Must have missed the "crusade" thread/posts.


My question was about the process ... who's involved .... do they all have to agree ... blah blah.

 

[Gee Bee]

Well I've got evidence that abee offered BU the £25,000 they said it would take to get Lange's shares off him and evidence that BU then didn't take abee up on his offer becaise he said it himself on here yesterday.

Maybe Lange changed his original offfer and won't sell?

 

[shaggy]

Errr...I think he ran a one man crusade totally against the appointment..

preferring... who?

 

[Nick Hester]

preferring... who?

Thats for Bee H to reveal if he wants to.. not up to me, just letting people know that he was one who stuck to his guns and had some b***ocks to say his piece rather than catching that 'nodding dog' disease that everyone seems to come down with when Herting and Rogers are around...

 

[GlasgowBee]

Time for abee etc etc to start getting the wheels in motion for a proper consortium to get this club moving in the right direction again.

 

[Edmundo]

Well I've got evidence that abee offered BU the £25,000 they said it would take to get Lange's shares off him and evidence that BU then didn't take abee up on his offer becaise he said it himself on here yesterday.

I presume you then don't accept the fact that if BU had 34% of the club more than they need that they could get some serious money for it from a combination of fans and other investors.

If you really think that,perhaps it isn't me that is "talking out of his arse"

You think a serious amount of money can be raised by selling a third of the club, do you? What would you say the club is worth, bearing in mind it's inability to make a profit? And how much would it cost to sell these shares? My gut feeling is that it would be a waste of time and energy, but give me a properly costed and reasoned proposal that it's worth doing and you might convince me. In the meantime, I don't believe Lange has any intention of disposing of his shares (especially if it turns out they are worth anything).

 

[JTofBFC]

You think a serious amount of money can be raised by selling a third of the club, do you? What would you say the club is worth, bearing in mind it's inability to make a profit? And how much would it cost to sell these shares? My gut feeling is that it would be a waste of time and energy, but give me a properly costed and reasoned proposal that it's worth doing and you might convince me. In the meantime, I don't believe Lange has any intention of disposing of his shares (especially if it turns out they are worth anything).

Far from being a "waste of time and money", selling equity in the club is the ONLY way that we can get out of this sort of debt. (other than moving grounds of course and sharing with QPR). I guess you still think that shaking buckets has some hope of raising £5m+. or possibly, we can keep cutting the playing budget back year on year. Lets start with next year, we'll be in League 2 probably with average gates of 3500 so lets see how the manager gets on with a budget of £400k shall we. Conference here we come. But then we all know that you are one of those who loves the small club mentality and cant wait for the day when we can rise from the ashes as AFC Brentford in Ryman league 8. There won't be many of the rest of us there though.

As for Lange changing his mind about selling his shares, how do you know that. The last I heard on the subject was that he had offered them to BU. Not that long ago either. They managed to make that statement public so if he HAS changed his mind I would respectfully suggest to them that they also make that public so we all know where we stand.

We can keep downsizing and budget cutting as we slide down the leagues or alternatively we could actually try something different. It isn't for me to provide you with a costed plan about a share issue, it has happened elsewhere successfully not least at your beloved AFC Wimbledon. Alternatively maybe some of our Investor Directors (or some new big hitters) might actually be perpared to invest a bit more if they get something back for their money. At the end of the day as long as BU keeps at least 51% the club is not at risk from a Noades scenario.

 

[Stuardo]

It is completely and utterly pointless having a figurehead Chairman like Greg Dyke fronting a Board for a club owned by an organisation like BU. Even if he wanted to put some of his substantial wealth into the club he probably wouldn't be allowed to.

I'm concerned that in BU, we now have a structure at the club that has as it's only ambition treading water. The new ground isn't happening (doubtful if it ever will) , debt won't get repaid because there seems to be no real strategy to do so.

Unless BU are prepared to allow people with proper money back into the fold then we will just see the club downsized gradually and playing performances will mean we probably end up as conference fodder a lot sooner than some of us dared to think. By letting people with money back into the club, I don't mean sell BU's share to the highest bidder, they now at least have the power to stop the club being hawked around to just anybody, but from where I am standing I would far rather they used their position to safeguard the ground and let the glory side of running a football club be handed over to someone who can actually inject some funds into the club.

Time for abee etc etc to start getting the wheels in motion for a proper consortium to get this club moving in the right direction again.

where did you get this idea from? can everyone just get a grip and stop running around like headless chickens?

 

[blunstone]

yet another chairman being blasted by the 'fans'. that's is every chairman, bar none, since 1964. yes, every single one.

the fact that the club is still trading is a miracle.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Do you have any evidence that BU are blocking investment in the club, or are you just talking out of your arse?

Ed, you know full well they have in the past, think DW and his gang, two of which are still Directors of Brentford. Now, lets stop for a moment and consider that other options were placed in front of Burgess...nah...carry on in your little dream world...

 

[Sweepy]

yet another chairman being blasted by the 'fans'. that's is every chairman, bar none, since 1964. yes, every single one.

the fact that the club is still trading is a miracle.

Since this is a topic obviously close to your heart, you may as well just come out and reveal which one you're related/married to.

 

[Banana]

Ed, you know full well they have in the past, think DW and his gang, two of which are still Directors of Brentford. Now, lets stop for a moment and consider that other options were placed in front of Burgess...nah...carry on in your little dream world...

Is this the plan you are referring to the one where DW and his gang had Matthew Banham and were using his money? If so then that "investment" happened, but luckily without DW and his gang representing it.

 

[Edmundo]

Far from being a "waste of time and money", selling equity in the club is the ONLY way that we can get out of this sort of debt. (other than moving grounds of course and sharing with QPR). I guess you still think that shaking buckets has some hope of raising £5m+. or possibly, we can keep cutting the playing budget back year on year. Lets start with next year, we'll be in League 2 probably with average gates of 3500 so lets see how the manager gets on with a budget of £400k shall we. Conference here we come. But then we all know that you are one of those who loves the small club mentality and cant wait for the day when we can rise from the ashes as AFC Brentford in Ryman league 8. There won't be many of the rest of us there though.

As for Lange changing his mind about selling his shares, how do you know that. The last I heard on the subject was that he had offered them to BU. Not that long ago either. They managed to make that statement public so if he HAS changed his mind I would respectfully suggest to them that they also make that public so we all know where we stand.

We can keep downsizing and budget cutting as we slide down the leagues or alternatively we could actually try something different. It isn't for me to provide you with a costed plan about a share issue, it has happened elsewhere successfully not least at your beloved AFC Wimbledon. Alternatively maybe some of our Investor Directors (or some new big hitters) might actually be perpared to invest a bit more if they get something back for their money. At the end of the day as long as BU keeps at least 51% the club is not at risk from a Noades scenario.

Your post is so full of sh*t it's hard to know where to start. You obviously haven't got a clue what I think - despite your arrogance in telling the GPG what I think, you are way wide of the mark. Selling shares is only a way of paying off £9 million (or in that region) if it raises £9 million. It won't. It won't get anyway near it and it's stupid to pretend otherwise. I have never thought buckets would raise that kind of money and it's out-of-order for you to suggest that I have ever thought so, still less that I still do. Nor do I yearn for a small-club mentality - I want Championship football for Brentford as much as the next person. Trying to lie about my opinions does not provide any support to your arguments - I suppose it's all you've got left as substantiating or supporting them is beyond hope.

I didn't say that Lange had changed his mind, I just said that he might have. Do you know for a fact that he hasn't? It's certainly a possible reason why he hasn't gone through with giving the shares to BU, although there are others.

I do not love AFC Wimbledon. Saying they are "my beloved" is pathetic. In any case, the amount they raised perhaps proves my point that this isn't a solution to our woes. We can't keep on taking on new investment unless it is by donation anyway, as the ship will eventually sink under the debt burden. And if we go into administration, it doesn't matter how many shares BU holds.

I'm sorry that your pet idea isn't a solution to all our problems - if only it was. But trying to attribute opinions to me that I don't hold doesn't make your case any stronger.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Is this the plan you are referring to the one where DW and his gang had Matthew Banham and were using his money? If so then that "investment" happened, but luckily without DW and his gang representing it.

...maybe there have been others...

 

[Banana]

...maybe there have been others...

Oh was it the Gladedale deal where Gladedale would get the right to buy Griffin Park at a "Disposal value" (i.e. the price we would have to sell in a distressed situation) rather than at market price?

 

[roddy]

I am sure that those in charge genuinely have what they think are the best interest of the club at heart. However what they regard as the best interests of the club may not coincide with everyone elses views. I for one would like to know where the board think we are going. Do they beleive it is viable for Brentford to remain as a professional club in the football league ? or is the strategy only that a club of some sort to remain whatever league we are in?

I fear if we drop out of Football League for whatever reason we will NEVER get back in.

 

[abee]

I am sure that those in charge genuinely have what they think are the best interest of the club at heart. However what they regard as the best interests of the club may not coincide with everyone elses views. I for one would like to know where the board think we are going. Do they beleive it is viable for Brentford to remain as a professional club in the football league ? or is the strategy only that a club of some sort to remain whatever league we are in?

I fear if we drop out of Football League for whatever reason we will NEVER get back in.

Spot on.

The BFC board has never published the famous Dyke "Five Year Plan" and we have not been told if this was approved by Bees United. How on earth are we able to judge how the BFC board is performing if we have no idea what their objectives are. It may be that this season is one of financial consolidation and that the decision was taken that if this results in relegation then so be it. We go down and then build from the base up.......I dunno and nobody knows except I assume the BFC board. Have any of the BU board members who post on here ever seen Dyke's Five Year Plan.......if so what does it say........if not have you asked for it. The Five Year Plan is I take it where Dyke is leading us over the next erm.......well five years and I for one would like to know what exactly is in it.

Look I do this stuff for a living and if any board of a group subsidiary was telling me that they had a Five Year Plan for the subsidiary business but that I couldn't see it then I would introduce them to my thirty minute plan being the time it takes to drive them to the airport and excluding checking in for a flight to their home country.

 

[shaggy]

... How on earth are we able to judge how the BFC board is performing if we have no idea what their objectives are. ...

...and the same applies to the BU board. Just as I said in my BU election document.

 

[roddy]

I am getting worried about Edmondo from the voice of reason to a number of increasingly vitriolic posts

 

[rebus]

I am getting worried about Edmondo from the voice of reason to a number of increasingly vitriolic posts

I think he needs the calm of a 9 to 5 job.

 

[SpiderBee]

Somebody had better do something soon methinks.
I don't want to bad mouth the people who work hard for BFC (and without them feeling arrogant they know who they are) but this club is in desperate need of some drive and direct leadership NOW!

I was interested in Wise Old Bee's thoughts on administration.
Should this happen, are we FORCED to sell the only asset that can keep the business/company alive?
Please, only reply if you really know what you are talking about.

 

[roddy]

As I have said previously I have no doubt that the Board think that they are doing thier best. However can they please share with us what that best is because frankly I have no idea.

BU in particular must realise that in a sense they hold the club in Trust for us and hopefully future generastions. To keep us in the dark is a betrayal of those that voted you on the board. Some of you on this board seem to know those posters under various nom de plumes who are on the board but regrettably many are not priveleged with this information. There does however seem to be a lot of in fighting which cannot do any one any good.

 

[Edmundo]

I am getting worried about Edmondo from the voice of reason to a number of increasingly vitriolic posts

I'm alright as long as people don't make posts attributing all sorts of opinions to me that I don't hold. I expect this would upset you too if it happened to you. Oh and at 00:50 there may have been some alcohol speaking!

 

[Banana]

As I have said previously I have no doubt that the Board think that they are doing thier best. However can they please share with us what that best is because frankly I have no idea.

BU in particular must realise that in a sense they hold the club in Trust for us and hopefully future generastions. To keep us in the dark is a betrayal of those that voted you on the board. Some of you on this board seem to know those posters under various nom de plumes who are on the board but regrettably many are not priveleged with this information. There does however seem to be a lot of in fighting which cannot do any one any good.

What is BU keeping you in the dark about?

 

[Edmundo]

BU in particular must realise that in a sense they hold the club in Trust for us and hopefully future generastions. To keep us in the dark is a betrayal of those that voted you on the board. Some of you on this board seem to know those posters under various nom de plumes who are on the board but regrettably many are not priveleged with this information. There does however seem to be a lot of in fighting which cannot do any one any good.

I agree with this. The problem is that the BU Board has never attempted to communicate with the membership anything other than at a fairly superficial level. For whatever reason, it has decided to try and play down the seriousness of the financial situation and IMHO all the communications problems stem from this mistaken decision.

As for noms de plumes on here ...

Trevor Inns = Banana
Mark Chapman = markbfc
Natasha Judge = northantsbee
Joe Bourke = JoeBourke
Matt Dolman = Matty D
Allison Franklin = Nurse Betty
David Hawes = eghambee

and the others don't post here as far as I know.

 

[Canadian Bee]

i swear greg dyke isnt very rich anyway

 

[bees66]

i swear greg dyke isnt very rich anyway

lol lol £1.7M house

 

[wanderer paul]

lol lol £1.7M house

which one?

his old one or the new one on the river (£2.8 million worth of house.....!!)

i should know as i've been there!!! (delivering mail!!)

 

[WisBee]

I agree with this. The problem is that the BU Board has never attempted to communicate with the membership anything other than at a fairly superficial level. For whatever reason, it has decided to try and play down the seriousness of the financial situation and IMHO all the communications problems stem from this mistaken decision.

As for noms de plumes on here ...

Trevor Inns = Banana
Mark Chapman = markbfc
Natasha Judge = northantsbee
Joe Bourke = JoeBourke
Matt Dolman = Matty D
Allison Franklin = Nurse Betty
David Hawes = eghambee

and the others don't post here as far as I know.

I thought that Jon Gosling posted on here as JohnnyG....or perhaps he isn't on the BU board......I don't know.....

 

[bees66]

which one?

his old one or the new one on the river (£2.8 million worth of house.....!!)

i should know as i've been there!!! (delivering mail!!)

His old house Is his new one near the old Ice rink then?

 

[Banana]

I thought that Jon Gosling posted on here as JohnnyG....or perhaps he isn't on the BU board......I don't know.....

It's JonnieGee

And correct, Jon Gosling is NOT on the BU Board. He resigned once he was elected to the BFC Board as he felt that he shouldn't be on the board of the organisation that effectively polices him.

 

[WisBee]

It's JonnieGee

And correct, Jon Gosling is NOT on the BU Board. He resigned once he was elected to the BFC Board as he felt that he shouldn't be on the board of the organisation that effectively polices him.

.................straight out of the Brian Burgess book on 'How to behave as a Company Director'....