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fecking agents .I remember when people had their own brains and could make decisions on their own
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fecking agents .I remember when people had their own brains and could make decisions on their own
Bill Benn
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I spoke to his family,dad mum and grandad in stripes last season and they are down to earth people who love watching him play especially his grandad.He was treated like sh*t by John Still at D&R according to his dad and they are very focused on his career although he has an agent they are very involved and like any parent want what's best for their kids.They were all very complimentary about the club and manager and how he had improved under the coaching here.i am not that concerned as I still think he has a bit to learn and as some have mentioned last season was his first full one so lets see how it goes.If we are as successful as most on here me included think then we will have to get used to our players being attracted to bigger clubs whatever their contract status.
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Clubs that go for promotion and fail are always in danger of losing their best players. I'm sure the management are one step ahead of any eventuality. What's the point of worrying?
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle,
And this'll help things turn out for the best, and...
Always Look on the Bright Side of Life
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle,
And this'll help things turn out for the best, and...
Always Look on the Bright Side of Life
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Newport Pagnell Bee
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Bloody hell mate that's brilliant. I'd copyright that quick if I was you before some bugger nicks it and uses it in a film.
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Harlee Dean
We are going to need him if we are going to play Craig next year, there was a small time when TC helped him through but HD was the dominant figure in that partnership.
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Harlee Dean
Make him captain and tell him he's our pen taker.
I know he's a star in prospect, but that just takes the bic
beebopalula
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When you are young you think you are indestructable. I'd sign a three year deal straight away if I was in his position. If I took a bad knock and was out for a while on a one year deal I might find myself in difficulties. You can always put in a release clause. Security is important 
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mhead bee
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Not sure that is a policy. Adam Forshaw was offered one early doors wasn't he?
mhead bee
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When you are young you think you are indestructable. I'd sign a three year deal straight away if I was in his position. If I took a bad knock and was out for a while on a one year deal I might find myself in difficulties. You can always put in a release clause. Security is important
He will have a huge insurance policy guarding him for the next few years so there is no rush unfortunately. Also if others are looking to tempt him with offers they are not offering him one for next year they are offering them for now so he could possibly be looking at a transfer with a salary increase.
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beebopalula
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IMO this is a bit like the Harry scenario. I hope the hype and his agent haven't gone to his head. I said re Harry that if I was a Championship manager I wouldn't be interested because his fitness levels and endurance were suspect and he was in his first season. He had a handful of great games but was inconsistent. Harry waited for the rush of offers which didn't come and the fact is that no club which played in last years Championship made him an offer. IMO he has made a bad move.
Harley is similar in a way. He has only had one season. Up to Christmas and into january he was making a lot of basic errors. He had a very strong last dozen games but that wouldn't persuade me to make him a big offer on a long contract in the Championship. IMO his best bet is to get at least another two seasons under his belt with us and learn his trade. There are crafty experienced strikers at the next level who will be receiving the ball to feet with the pace and ability to turn and take him on. At the next level, most battles will be on the ground and not in the air where he is good. IMO it's in his interests to commit to at least another two years and learn more about the art of defending.
Don't get me wrong. I like him a lot. He's nasty and combative and can play it out but IMO he is still inexperienced and needs to play with an experienced CB to develop further before he makes a step up. Harley don't do a Harry.
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Harlee Dean
Not sure you are correct on the insurance policy. - BFC have not carried insurance in the past as cost is a high percentage of total salary. Harley may carry a policy himself though ?
Harlee Dean
Good post, imo.
I find the recent scenarios involving Adam & Harry quite interesting and relevant to the case of Harlee. On one hand, you have Adam Forshaw,who seems a down to earth, grouded lad who appears to have good people around him (possibly family?) advising him - he has appeared to have looked longer term at his career and chosen the option of almost certain first team football every week whilst he learns his trade; on the other you have Harry Forrester, whom I get the impression appears to be not quite as down to earth as AF & who appears to have been influenced by an agent who (almost by defdinition) will go for the fast buck currently on offer at the (possible) expense of the long term development of the player.
I could be totally wrong stating the above of course.
Assuming the 2 scenarios I suggest above are correct, it will be interesting to see which path Harlee will take. I (& I hope I'm wrong) fear that Harlee will take the HF course...and the longer it goes with no news of Harlee signing a contract, the more my fears grow.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that Harlee sees that his medium term future lies in developing at BFC...I would be absolutely delighted if he signs a long term contract like Jake & Adam.
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Bigbee
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reading Forshaws interview ,hes his flat mate and has encouraged him to stay ,Im in little doubt that he wont
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It could be that the opportunity to train and play with a Spanish international defender is going to be a significant influence on his decision to sign or delay signing the extension. Doubling our experienced defender count may turn out to be important.
Harlee Dean
I agree. His signing has many potential good implications and hopefully will lead to Harlee making the right decision to stay.
Bigbee
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Sorry but does that mean you think he will or won't sign?
Adam says hes done what he can to persuade him to stay , now Harlee has a big decision to make . As theyre close mates that doesnt sound like he's staying
Harlee Dean
I try to avoid speculating on transfer conjecture - as it could be a never ending past-time. For me it is simples:
* Harlee is a young player under contract - if he decides not to sign an extension that is his prerogative. If he does sign that is a plus for the club. If he goes now to a higher division club we should be able to obtain a decent fee for him - that is a plus for the club.
* More often than not successful sides in any division have their best players attracting the attention of higher placed teams - so this is a reflection of where the club is now, another plus for the club.
* Just as we 'picked-up' Harlee on a 'free' the club will unearth another similar young defensive talent - a UK and European scouting and contact network increases our chances and is another big plus for the club.
I appreciate Harlee's qualities but he also makes basic mistakes, such as, getting caught in possession, giving away too many penalties and at times standing to far off 'his' player when in 'danger' areas. In truth he certainly was not the finished article last season and was responsible for aiding the concession of a number of goals to the opposition at crucial times. All things considered I conclude that whatever HD decides to do it will be a win/win outcome for BFC.
* Harlee is a young player under contract - if he decides not to sign an extension that is his prerogative. If he does sign that is a plus for the club. If he goes now to a higher division club we should be able to obtain a decent fee for him - that is a plus for the club.
* More often than not successful sides in any division have their best players attracting the attention of higher placed teams - so this is a reflection of where the club is now, another plus for the club.
* Just as we 'picked-up' Harlee on a 'free' the club will unearth another similar young defensive talent - a UK and European scouting and contact network increases our chances and is another big plus for the club.
I appreciate Harlee's qualities but he also makes basic mistakes, such as, getting caught in possession, giving away too many penalties and at times standing to far off 'his' player when in 'danger' areas. In truth he certainly was not the finished article last season and was responsible for aiding the concession of a number of goals to the opposition at crucial times. All things considered I conclude that whatever HD decides to do it will be a win/win outcome for BFC.
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It would be nice if he signed an extension, we seem to have done everything possible to get him to sign, but like Forrester, you can't force him to, plus agents have a greater say now, no player is bigger than our club and we would have to move on, the way we are now set up does not seem to pose a problem in finding suitable replacements.
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Can't compare Dean with Forrester..Dean is a massively important player for us and proved it last year in his 1st full season.hes very young and is sure to become a a big big player in a few years time.best place for him at the moment is us,not many other Clubs will look after and help him progress as us.
Quite the opposite to Forrester,desperate for Dean to stay,he will become a legend here.
Quite the opposite to Forrester,desperate for Dean to stay,he will become a legend here.
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I think his agent might disagree with you on that one, he knows bigger clubs are looking at him already, and is therefore working his socks off to make himself and Harlee a lot of dosh, we have to live with the fact that agents now hold greater sway than ever before.
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jlove
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Mainly because Forrester was out of contract in July 2013 and Harlee is under contract until July 2014.
Herbert
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his agent can disagree all he wants..best place for him is us,currently...
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I suspect that this is going to end up the same position as Forrester in May next year. If we have gone up, he will stay, if we don't, he'll walk away.
hanworthbee
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if that's the case we should have cashed in now...
any player that goes into the last year of his contract and refuses an extension should be made available for transfer imo.
any player that goes into the last year of his contract and refuses an extension should be made available for transfer imo.
Herbert
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Harlee Dean
mainly because forrester wasn't the super player a lot made him out to be,rarely lived up to expectation/hype,or not enough.he seemed intent on leaving us since Christmas when he had a few sh*t hot games.Some at the Club wernt too bothered to see him go in the end,that is from the Club man I spoke to in Germany.no ill feeling,just not bothered in the end.
Dean has been exceptional all season,has had more scouts looking at him throughout the season than Forrester,yet even on an off day was still giving 100%.certainly had a lot more on days.has been vastly more important for us than Forrester.
im gagging for Dean to stay,i wasn't for Forrester in the end
Herbert
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Harlee Dean
as we are not in financial ruin.I'd rather keep him as he will be too important to let go.if we were ****ed then yes.or if we were going anywere,or lacked ambition.
anyway.whos to say he isn't signing before the season starts
Harlee Dean
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Can't see what he's got to lose by staying:
It will be a very good contract on offer. If we go up he'll be a championship player anyway within a year.
He'll receive excellent coaching here - The evidence is the improvement he made over the season. He'll also be familiar with it and not have to go through learning a new system/set of personalities.
If he goes somewhere else there are all sorts of uncertainty. Where will he be in the pecking order? What happens when they start losing or he makes a mistake (as he will do). What will a period on the bench do to his confidence? What happens when the manager who bought him goes? He's established an excellent reputation here and we're stable and heading in the right direction.
He shouldn't underestimate the support he's had at Brentford - from the fans, staff and players. For example, it was noticeable to me that he made the most mistakes last season when he didn't have a steady eddie alongside him (Craig mainly).
If he's the real deal then someone will come in with an offer in January or end of season and they'll pay what he's worth - assuming his continued improvement (rather than get him cheap as if he went now). If we don't go up then he just needs to make sure he asked for a release clause in the contract before signing.
So make the right decision Harlee and sign the contract extension.
Can't see what he's got to lose by staying:
It will be a very good contract on offer. If we go up he'll be a championship player anyway within a year.
He'll receive excellent coaching here - The evidence is the improvement he made over the season. He'll also be familiar with it and not have to go through learning a new system/set of personalities.
If he goes somewhere else there are all sorts of uncertainty. Where will he be in the pecking order? What happens when they start losing or he makes a mistake (as he will do). What will a period on the bench do to his confidence? What happens when the manager who bought him goes? He's established an excellent reputation here and we're stable and heading in the right direction.
He shouldn't underestimate the support he's had at Brentford - from the fans, staff and players. For example, it was noticeable to me that he made the most mistakes last season when he didn't have a steady eddie alongside him (Craig mainly).
If he's the real deal then someone will come in with an offer in January or end of season and they'll pay what he's worth - assuming his continued improvement (rather than get him cheap as if he went now). If we don't go up then he just needs to make sure he asked for a release clause in the contract before signing.
So make the right decision Harlee and sign the contract extension.
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Money talks. He has seen Harry go to a championship club and is aware that clubs at that level are sniffing about
He is confident in his abilities and wants to play at the highest level, as such he might see a move now to be a good step on his career ladder
Time will tell
He is confident in his abilities and wants to play at the highest level, as such he might see a move now to be a good step on his career ladder
Time will tell
jlove
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He's under contract to BFC until 30 June 2014... how can he move now just because he's not signed a contract extension?
sonofabee
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If our best offer, the obvious respect of the Management team, the love and near hero status he enjoys from us isn't enough to keep him for a bit longer maybe he's not quite the
man I have him down for.
Stay and if we're not looking good for promotion in transfer window in Jan perhaps we'll have to accept he's off but let's hope for now the right club is still us.
Harlee Dean
Well said. Look at Karleigh Osborne. Failed to either be appreciated or make a real impact at Milwall last year. As things stand, he will probably end up being released at the end of next season, and he may end somewhere below us on the football pyramid, all because he was mislead by his agent and jumped ship too early.
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I know many will disagee primarily for the reason that not letting someone go against their wishes could lead to us not being able to attract young developing talent, but I believe that Ferguson's approach of letting players sweat on the bench a la Rooney at the end of last season puts down a marker to players and agents that we are not easy pickings and that if push comes to shove and a player lacks enthusiasm cos we wont let him go then he will find the season long wait a frustrating experience.
Bigbee
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KO is a very good example of making the wrong decision , the wrong agent and move ,thanks for reminding me .Did any one see the unprofessional video interview with KO by his agent after he left ? Urgh ! Filmed in a kitchen some where . I hope HD is a little more intelligent than our previous CB youngster .
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We agree on some things mate!
I may be off the mark but I think he'll be here this season.
We agree on something mate, I
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Unlike AF we do not have a bottomless pit of funds to pay these players just to sit in the stand "to teach them a lesson". If the choice is to make big bucks now or nothing next year and a disruptive influence in between then let him go and be done with.
IMO he will stay for the season and leave next year, lets keep the chap happy this year as he will be a great asset and stop worrying about next year, nobody is irreplaceable but he is a good player who will serve us well and I think due to age will also command a fee next season. (happy to be told I am wrong re the fee next season)
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as much as its great to see your own come through....Osborne doesn't even come close to Dean
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Herbert
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if hes to be disruptive yeah let him go.i don't see Dean being like that
beebopalula
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Quite honestly. I'm getting a touch of the Harry's on this one. I like Harlee and he's got a lot going for him but are we hyping him on the strength of a dozen good performances at the end of the season like Harry [ his good games came in the middle of the season]. He's had one season only, half of which was marred by errors which cost us. If you managed a Championship club would you stump up a fee and high wages for him? I wouldn't and I doubt that any Championship club will unless it's Donny again. With pre season starting, they would have come in for him by now and they haven't. So I hope Harlee isn't believing the hype. He's got a lot to learn. I'd also like to see his early season performances. If we see a repetition of the errors then the replacement CB that Uwe is seeking may become the first choice and Harlee may wish he had signed. We want promotion and we need to be ruthless in selection. Forshaw and Bidwell seem to have a more realistic undestanding of reality.
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OK then how about letting him go if thats what he wants but at the right price, assuming we havn't fallen for the old whatsitsname clause. Say he can go for £1m plus sell ons.
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There is no doubt if he continues in the same manner then one day he will move on. Unfortunately that's life for teams like the Bees. You develop a young player and one of the richer clubs come in and offer what we can't.
When that time will come I don't know, but I would guess we will have him for next season. Then irrespective of what happens at the end of the season he will be of to pastures new. Hopefully we will be properly rewarded, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that outcome..
When that time will come I don't know, but I would guess we will have him for next season. Then irrespective of what happens at the end of the season he will be of to pastures new. Hopefully we will be properly rewarded, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that outcome..
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