Henrik Dalsgaard (Released)

[hanworthbee]

We did the right thing...they had the chance to put it out but they choose to attack.....we need to stop being so nice all the time anyway.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

We did the right thing...they had the chance to put it out but they choose to attack.....we need to stop being so nice all the time anyway.

I'd rather we were as sporting as every other club personally.

 

[mhead bee]

Exactly. Common courtesy is to return it when someone kicks it out to let a player be treated when they're under no real direct pressure (which they weren't at that moment).
We'd have been calling them all sorts of names if they'd done it to us (and especially if they scored like we nearly did).
Not a high point.

Personally I would have given it back but as they attacked and played on when their player was down injured we thought sod you, why should we and it is hard to criticise that too much.

 

[BlueJayBee]

Was a bit tw*ttish not to give them the ball back after they knocked it out (eventually) for the injury tho. Not sure what that was all about (his decision or under instruction)....surely it's the same in the leagues he's played?

The eventually put it out, not because their player was down, but because we put them under pressure, after they'd chosen to play on for a good minute. Under those circumstances, there's no way we should have given the ball back, IMHO. If they'd have put it straight out, after he went down, that would have been different.

 

[sonofabee]

Balloutgate is getting far more mileage than it deserves

 

[Stanley]

It was absolutely the right thing not to give it back and can't believe anyone would think otherwise, they played on and only kicked it out when we turned their attack back on them. What if they had scored from their attack?

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

It was absolutely the right thing not to give it back and can't believe anyone would think otherwise, they played on and only kicked it out when we turned their attack back on them. What if they had scored from their attack?

They still had the ball, were comfortably in possession, and could have attacked again but kicked it out.
This happens every single week in football and the other team still returns the ball.
Very surprised so many people don't think we should have returned it.
Bit desperate if we're resorting to that imo.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

Balloutgate is getting far more mileage than it deserves

 

[Mr Tree]

They still had the ball, were comfortably in possession, and could have attacked again but kicked it out.
This happens every single week in football and the other team still returns the ball.
Very surprised so many people don't think we should have returned it.
Bit desperate if we're resorting to that imo.

wtf

"They still had the ball, were comfortably in possession..." and DID attack again!

it was only when we stopped them and closed them down, leaving them facing backwards, that they kicked it out.

if you're going to have strong opinions, probably best to pay attention

 

[Les Beeavinu]

wtf

"They still had the ball, were comfortably in possession..." and DID attack again!

it was only when we stopped them and closed them down, leaving them facing backwards, that they kicked it out.

if you're going to have strong opinions, probably best to pay attention

IIRC, the play went along their back line, forward past the supposedly stricken player, started to break down around half way then went backwards past the stricken player to Boly who was closed down, had no better options so decided to kick the ball into touch to try and "win" a situation where they could relieve the pressure. I'm quite frankly appalled by the cynical gamemanship by Wolves and the lack of concern for their fallen colleague.

 

[Mr Tree]

worth remembering too that the guy was being a drama queen to try and get a free-kick and a booking for one of ours, too!!

 

[jlove]

IIRC, the play went along their back line, forward past the supposedly stricken player, started to break down around half way then went backwards past the stricken player to Boly who was closed down, had no better options so decided to kick the ball into touch to try and "win" a situation where they could relieve the pressure. I'm quite frankly appalled by the cynical gamemanship by Wolves and the lack of concern for their fallen colleague.

Exactly my thoughts at the time! It was clear that Smith spoke to Yennaris and Nico spoke to the ref.

 

[sonofabee]

This is gathering pace, is it maybe time for a poll?

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

wtf

"They still had the ball, were comfortably in possession..." and DID attack again!

it was only when we stopped them and closed them down, leaving them facing backwards, that they kicked it out.

if you're going to have strong opinions, probably best to pay attention

Pay attention? I was there. You weren't I assume.
There's nothing wrong with having an attack when your own player is down. There's nothing wrong, when you still having the ball, and under no real pressure (despite what you think), of kicking it out to let him get treatment. They weren't gaining an advantage.
The sporting thing to do is return the ball and what normally happens in exactly this situation.

 

[Mr Tree]

i watched the game, clearly a touch closer than yourself. well here we are again, the weight of popular opinion against you, but doggedly sticking to your guns. it's ok to admit you're wrong you know.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

i watched the game, clearly a touch closer than yourself. well here we are again, the weight of popular opinion against you, but doggedly sticking to your guns. it's ok to admit you're wrong you know.

I wasn't the only one that thought it should have been returned to them. Frequently having a different opinion to the great unwashed means you're right and just relying on a few other people agreeing with you to determine you're right is desperate stuff.

 

[Mr Tree]

lol won't answer further for the sake of pollution. sorry all. good luck Henrik

 

[TeeJayBee]

It seems to me that:-

1. When a player goes / stays down apparently or actually injured, the convention has grown that it is good manners to quickly put the ball out to allow quicker assistance from the medics, and when play restarts the ball is then returned to the team which put it out. Although of course the referee decides whether or not to stop the game, and if he decides not then play can continue.

2. If the team whose player is down carries on, ignoring the injury / situation, they give up any right to expect the ball back if they eventually put it out. Otherwise they are having their cake and eating it by extracting maximum advantage for themselves - is that fair or a form of gamesmanship?

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

It seems to me that:-

1. When a player goes / stays down apparently or actually injured, the convention has grown that it is good manners to quickly put the ball out to allow quicker assistance from the medics, and when play restarts the ball is then returned to the team which put it out. Although of course the referee decides whether or not to stop the game, and if he decides not then play can continue.

2. If the team whose player is down carries on, ignoring the injury / situation, they give up any right to expect the ball back if they eventually put it out. Otherwise they are having their cake and eating it by extracting maximum advantage for themselves - is that fair or a form of gamesmanship?

Number two bears no resemblance to any football match I've watched and 90% Maybe 95% of the time the other team returns the ball. They weren't gaining any advantage, they continued their attack while their player is down, which is fair enough, when the attack ends and they still have possession they kick it out to allow him treatment. You can be absolutely certain if the situation was reversed people would be moaning to high heaven on here and it's massive double standards.

 

[TeeJayBee]

They weren't gaining any advantage, they continued their attack while their player is down, which is fair enough, when the attack ends and they still have possession they kick it out to allow him treatment.

If they weren't gaining any advantage why do it? They were trying to gain an advantage, and on this occasion they failed, so gave up and put the ball out. I think we played the situation correctly, and would expect the same if the roles were reversed.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

If they weren't gaining any advantage why do it? They were trying to gain an advantage, and on this occasion they failed, so gave up and put the ball out. I think we played the situation correctly, and would expect the same if the roles were reversed.

No point carrying on with this. No way I believe that, we wouldn't do exactly the same and expect the ball back, and that our fans wouldn't go nuts if it wasn't.

 

[TeeJayBee]

No point carrying on with this.

I agree. You may be right about our or any other fans' reactions, but that doesn't mean they would be right (IMHO of course)

 

[AB]

Can Henrik D play CB? If so might be an option as new Harlee D if Egan ever unavailable?

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Can Henrik D play CB? If so might be an option as new Harlee D if Egan ever unavailable?

I would feel very nervous about that. More to the point, I think he would too. Let him get to grips with where he's playing at the moment, I'd say.

 

[The Pipe]

My own opinion for what it is worth at the time was that the player went down and we continued to attack, lost the ball and Wolves then went on the attack going past their player on the floor. We pressed they played back into their half and we went to press again at which time their defender was left with little option but to clear the ball into touch.

Whether or not we should have thrown it back is, presumably, an ethical decision however my opinion was that by this time returning the ball was unnecessary.

My caveat to all this is that I have never forgiven Birmingham City doing it to us at St Andrews when fat Barry was in charge!!!!!???

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

My own opinion for what it is worth at the time was that the player went down and we continued to attack, lost the ball and Wolves then went on the attack going past their player on the floor. We pressed they played back into their half and we went to press again at which time their defender was left with little option but to clear the ball into touch.

Whether or not we should have thrown it back is, presumably, an ethical decision however my opinion was that by this time returning the ball was unnecessary.

My caveat to all this is that I have never forgiven Birmingham City doing it to us at St Andrews when fat Barry was in charge!!!!!������

At last, a full and accurate account. Put it to bed now, eh?

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

My own opinion for what it is worth at the time was that the player went down and we continued to attack, lost the ball and Wolves then went on the attack going past their player on the floor. We pressed they played back into their half and we went to press again at which time their defender was left with little option but to clear the ball into touch.

Whether or not we should have thrown it back is, presumably, an ethical decision however my opinion was that by this time returning the ball was unnecessary.

My caveat to all this is that I have never forgiven Birmingham City doing it to us at St Andrews when fat Barry was in charge!!!!!������

If he had little option but to play it out then my view might be different (and closer to yours and the others) but I don't believe that's the case.

 

[The Pipe]

If he had little option but to play it out then my view might be different (and closer to yours and the others) but I don't believe that's the case.

We all see things differently, that was my opinion watching at the time but happy for others to have seen things differently, in the overall scheme of things it is a small matter to warrant as much print !!!!!!

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

We all see things differently, that was my opinion watching at the time but happy for others to have seen things differently, in the overall scheme of things it is a small matter to warrant as much print !!!!!!

Let's move on to transfer woes

 

[Mr Tree]

Pay attention? I was there. You weren't I assume.
There's nothing wrong with having an attack when your own player is down. There's nothing wrong, when you still having the ball, and under no real pressure (despite what you think), of kicking it out to let him get treatment.

this is just before the left-sided defender puts the ball out. Sawyers had just tackled someone in midfield (maybe that's why you missed it, your mouth was agape lol ), leading to this... "under no real pressure (despite what you think)" - your words not mine lol

 

[jlove]

@Mr Tree Let it go! Clearly most of the players and the officials understood what was going on and there's no reason for anyone to get precious about it. Their manager was waving his arms about at the time but most do, anyway, and it was never mentioned afterwards.

 

[rhbee]

FWIW this is my view:

Basically, we don't have to give it back to them, and decided not to, as they tried to play on. HD and possibly DS said to do so. Not unlawful, barely even unsporting, as they did try to play on.

 

[Mr Tree]

Not unlawful, barely even unsporting, as they did try to play on.

exactly - all but two on here agree

 

[Mr Tree]

@Mr Tree Let it go! Clearly most of the players and the officials understood what was going on and there's no reason for anyone to get precious about it.

it's gone. most people on here understood the situation too. but the video evidence is there as a chance for a certain someone to admit their mistake

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

it's gone. most people on here understood the situation too. but the video evidence is there as a chance for a certain someone to admit their mistake

You're like a dog with a bone aren't you. That's not video evidence. That's a picture and doesn't help your case.
Can we let it go yet or are you going to continue with your pointless attempts at point scoring on every thread?

 

[Mr Tree]

of course it helps my case lol but i see you've subscribed to the first law of the GPG - "thou must not admit error"

i thought i'd test the full match replay for the first time while on home office as the wee bairn sleeps. found the incident with my second click - good guess! if it'd taken more than five minutes i wouldn't have bothered

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

of course it helps my case lol but i see you've subscribed to the first law of the GPG - "thou must not admit error"

i thought i'd test the full match replay for the first time while on home office as the wee bairn sleeps. found the incident with my second click - good guess! if it'd taken more than five minutes i wouldn't have bothered

 

[Les Beeavinu]

of course it helps my case lol but i see you've subscribed to the first law of the GPG - "thou must not admit error"

i thought i'd test the full match replay for the first time while on home office as the wee bairn sleeps. found the incident with my second click - good guess! if it'd taken more than five minutes i wouldn't have bothered

Where's the full match replay? I can only see extended highlights on iFollow.

 

[sonofabee]

It's a very interesting point that should take priority the day we've lost our skipper and best player we've had in 50 years.

What do other GPGers feel about Balloutgate?

 

[Mr Tree]

Where's the full match replay? I can only see extended highlights on iFollow.

Maybe it's my abroad subscription. It wasn't intuitive - had to go to Results, Watch on IFollow, then Watch Now (rather than the lower options)

 

[rhbee]

It's a very interesting point that should take priority the day we've lost our skipper and best player we've had in 50 years.

What do other GPGers feel about Balloutgate?

It's a distraction of sorts.

 

[Mr Tree]

It's a very interesting point that should take priority the day we've lost our skipper and best player we've had in 50 years.

What do other GPGers feel about Balloutgate?

Yennaris has gone?! and... Jay Tabb? :scratch:

the second one is all just rumour as far as i can see - you've not let your guard down, have you?

otherwise every single comment so far has said it was totally understandable... apart from two posters (one here, one on t'other thread)... both posters who have sparkling track records say no more lol

 

[sonofabee]

Yennaris has gone?! and... Jay Tabb? :scratch:

the second one is all just rumour as far as i can see - you've not let your guard down, have you?

otherwise every single comment so far has said it was totally understandable... apart from two posters (one here, one on t'other thread)... both posters who have sparkling track records say no more lol

Bored having read my book and newspaper on a cloudy day on the beach and amazed that someone can get so upset about such a minor issue. lol lol

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

Bored having read my book and newspaper on a cloudy day on the beach and amazed that someone can get so upset about such a minor issue. lol lol

I don't know why he did really I thought they should have given it back. Usually wobblies thrown in response!

 

[Mr Tree]

I don't know why he did really I thought they should have given it back. Usually wobblies thrown in response!

hint: he's talking about you

i mean, you said i was "a dog with a bone" earlier. i'm a man without enough work, is probably a more apt description. you were the one saying this and that outrage never been done etc. we were all just trying to help, though i guess we should know by now that counter-arguments are beneath you

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

hint: he's talking about you

i mean, you said i was "a dog with a bone" earlier. i'm a man without enough work, is probably a more apt description. you were the one saying this and that outrage never been done etc. we were all just trying to help, though i guess we should know by now that counter-arguments are beneath you

Hint: I realised he probably meant that but was rather misguided as I wasn't upset. So was joking that better described you with all the pompous comments presuming your viewpoint is the only acceptable and correct one. No change there then and you're still going with them.

 

[Billy Hunt]

Gosh! What a lark! :crazy:

 

[rhbee]

Gosh! What a lark! :crazy:

What larks Pip! What larks...

 

[Pauly Paul]

With Jota on his way I think we could see a right flank of Colin at RB and Dalsgaard at RM.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

With Jota on his way I think we could see a right flank of Colin at RB and Dalsgaard at RM.

Understand why you say that (and wouldn't rule it out)....but bearing in mind Canos is coming back, I would have thought it'll be Watkins/Canos that takes Jota's place if he's off, as Sawyers is playing well, and isn't realistically going to play anywhere other than centrally.