How good will Ide be?

[beeeehive]

No doubt he's a decent player and will only get better but how good could he be? Are we over-hyping him a little bit?

For me he has a lot of faults in his game at the moment but given his age that's acceptable.

He runs a lot and likes to shoot but I'm not sure he has a football brain and can also be very wastful at times. If the right manager can change this then he could be a decent championship player. I find him very frustrating at times when he tries to take on the extra man or attempt a crazy shot from a difficult angle rather then pass. Also gets knocked around too easily and if he comes up against stronger better defenders in a higher league he could struggle.

If he can bring others into play a little more I think he could be very good.

 

[The H]

if you were playing up front with Callum, you'd take on the extra man and be wasteful

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

No doubt he's a decent player and will only get better but how good could he be? Are we over-hyping him a little bit?

For me he has a lot of faults in his game at the moment but given his age that's acceptable.

He runs a lot and likes to shoot but I'm not sure he has a football brain and can also be very wastful at times. If the right manager can change this then he could be a decent championship player. I find him very frustrating at times when he tries to take on the extra man or attempt a crazy shot from a difficult angle rather then pass. Also gets knocked around too easily and if he comes up against stronger better defenders in a higher league he could struggle.

If he can bring others into play a little more I think he could be very good.

Fair assessment. He's shown an eye for goal and a good, determined attitude, but I couldn't see him playing above League One at the moment.

I think he could do well for us in League 2, as long as he has a decent player alongside him; probably needs a big player to add phsyical presence to the attack.

If he then continues to develop, he could be Championship standard. Doesn't yet have either the pace or the touch for Premiership, but is young enough to improve.

Think we should offer him a 2 year contract with an option for a third year, so we can make some cash out of him if he does continue to improve

 

[andy_mavis]

I really think he should stay with us! Doubt he will but he is gonna play first team football with us and gain alot of experience he will need for the future. If he goes to a higher club lets say championship he is gonna be playing in reserves for a couple of years i say!

 

[Jimbo]

No doubt he's a decent player and will only get better but how good could he be? Are we over-hyping him a little bit?

For a young player like Charlie to come in to such a poor team that is low in confidence and make such an impact shows that he has a lot about him.

When you look at the progress of Stephen Hunt, you have to say that Charlie could be Premiership level if he keeps working and gets a bit of luck here and there.

I think the next test for him is to be a regular for a full season to see how consistent he can be.

I hope he stays because I reckon there could be more to come!

 

[wanderer paul]

Fair assessment. He's shown an eye for goal and a good, determined attitude, but I couldn't see him playing above League One at the moment.

I think he could do well for us in League 2, as long as he has a decent player alongside him; probably needs a big player to add phsyical presence to the attack.

If he then continues to develop, he could be Championship standard. Doesn't yet have either the pace or the touch for Premiership, but is young enough to improve.

Think we should offer him a 2 year contract with an option for a third year, so we can make some cash out of him if he does continue to improve

couldn't agree more, i just hope he's the first signing of Butcher's reign.

a great prospect, still things to learn, i hope the 'bright lights' of the premiershite doesn't cloud his judgement.

a Sunbury lad too!

 

[West Ealing Bee]

When I saw glimpses of Ide in friendlies and under Leroy I didn't think he was good enough. I was wrong.

This boy is the real deal.

When playing wide right he was frustrating as he did run down blind alleys and didn't always release the ball enough but that's because he's a central player, that is becoming obvious.

There is a fear we could have another Rapley, who shone in a poor team and wasn't really good enough, but Ide has the potential to play in the Championship minimum, especially if he can build his upper body strength.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

As good a prospect we have had in years. I stand by the fact that Ide performed so much better in away games where more space was available and he, Kuffour and Ships got a good thing going for a few games. He made idiots out of LBs and bear in mind that isn't his postion, he will improve and let's hope that is with us next season.

 

[wanderer paul]

When I saw glimpses of Ide in friendlies and under Leroy I didn't think he was good enough. I was wrong.

This boy is the real deal.

When playing wide right he was frustrating as he did run down blind alleys and didn't always release the ball enough but that's because he's a central player, that is becoming obvious.

There is a fear we could have another Rapley, who shone in a poor team and wasn't really good enough, but Ide has the potential to play in the Championship minimum, especially if he can build his upper body strength.

the best position to 'blood' a young forward is wide right or left. the full backs aren't as big as centre backs and it gives the younger/smaller strikers a chance to find their feet in pro football, especially at our level, as we have no reserve team. When he was started up front down the middle he was pushed off too easily and looked lost. He started to shine once he was wide right and could cut in or come onto crosses at the back of the goal. Now he's learnt what league football is all about, and is a big step up from youth team stuff, he can play through the middle off a big striker much more easily now as he has pace and can twist and turn big defenders. He still has much to learn but i think he's alot better than Rapley! I'd say his development so far is on par with Tabb.

 

[TW3Bee]

He'll be as good as he wants to be.

 

[beeeehive]

Also forgot to add his lack of fear when it comes to shooting and making space to find a shot by any means possible is very rare. I love the no fear approach in a young player which I've also happened to notice in Darius Charles. His style of play reminds me of an early Michael Owen when he burst on the scene at Liverpool......obviously no way near upto Owens standard.

I'd say we need to secure him urgently on a 2 year contract and offer a decent wage. A year banging the goals in League 2 at such a young age could bring in a very large transfer fee.. I suspect he may go but fingers crossed.

Also have high hopes Carder-Andrews, Osborne and Ross M. We need to get behind them and encourage them for the good of Brentford. Potentially decent players the lot of them.

 

[Paul O'Brien]

It's easy to compare him with where Tabb was when he left, but it's unfair on Charlie. I'd even go so far as to say that he's possibly even ahead of where Tabb was at his age.

He's played 30 games including sub appearances compared to 10 by Tabb at the same age, and has scored 7 goals compared to 0. That's not bad at all.

 

[rebus]

I think we are getting a little over-excited having just watched the worst post-war Brentford side.

I think the comparison with Rapley is a good one. I hope Charlie proves me wrong.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I think the comparison with Tabb is unfair. Tabby had vision, good control, take decent set pieces and chipped in with a few goals.

I'd be delighted if Ide develops those skills in the next two years but at the moment he looks a good prospect with an eye for goal. Let's not hype him too much.

 

[Northern Beestard]

I made a point of watching him fairly closely on Saturday. Despite it being obvious he shows a lot of endeavour and has an eye for goal, I’m a bit concerned about his natural awareness, especially in regards his positioning. I know he is young but he is still a professional footballer and this should be a basic skill for someone harbouring the potential to become a quality player.

The issue is do we have, or will we be able to bring in the sort of coaching staff/strike partner needed in order to improve this side of his game?

 

[Debut1949]

Ide clearly has potential but needs to convert it into ever improving performances in the lower leagues over the next 2-3 seasons. Hopefully he will then be ready to move into the Championship with the Bees!

At the present time I do not think that he is at as high a football level as Jay Tabb was when he started to obtain a regular place in the team and he is nowhere near the level that Nicky Forster was at when he was first signed from Gillingham.

Bearing in mind that both Jay Tabb and Nicky Forster have not found it easy to hold down regular places in the second tier of English football he needs to work very hard at his game if he is to realise his ambitions. He is young though and therefore has time on his side. At the present time his physical stature and lack of real pace suggest that he is unlikely to follow in the footsteps of Marcus Gayle and Marcus Bent and become a regular in the top tier but one never knows how rapidly he may develop, particularly if the club find a player of the class of Robert Taylor to play alongside him over the next 2-3 years.

 

[Stanley]

I think we are getting a little over-excited having just watched the worst post-war Brentford side.

I think the comparison with Rapley is a good one. I hope Charlie proves me wrong.

I agree to a point, plenty of promising youngsters like Ide have found their level is eventually in non league.

However he does seem to be able to hit the back of the net more than the likes of Rapley ever did, its that that will have the scouts looking more than his all round abilities.

After all Hunt has shown if you make the most of what you have anything is possible.

 

[super_bees]

PFA Player of Year 2008

 

[Westlad]

Think he's a great player but I think his quality is being highlighted by the quality of the players around him, both in the team and the league. People are talking about premiership, I think he'd do well to play in the championship, league one is disproportionately worse than the championship and I think he'd get a shock playing for any half decent championship team next season

 

[Jakalo]

Or how about he becomes our version of Hayter?

 

[havelockbee]

I can't believe the hype around Charlie. Don't get me wrong he's a decent prospect with an eye for goal, but there's along way to go for him. He needs to lose a bit of the prima dona attitude aswell, although we have all shared his frustrations at times this season!

I think Charlie should bare in mind Jo Kuffour was playing for Torquay last season not Tottenham, take his time and develop as a player before moving on.

 

[ronnie1958]

No doubt he's a decent player and will only get better but how good could he be? Are we over-hyping him a little bit?

For me he has a lot of faults in his game at the moment but given his age that's acceptable.

He runs a lot and likes to shoot but I'm not sure he has a football brain and can also be very wastful at times. If the right manager can change this then he could be a decent championship player. I find him very frustrating at times when he tries to take on the extra man or attempt a crazy shot from a difficult angle rather then pass. Also gets knocked around too easily and if he comes up against stronger better defenders in a higher league he could struggle.

If he can bring others into play a little more I think he could be very good.

If he played in a good team he will score a hat full of goals. A FIRST CLASS STRIKER

 

[beeeehive]

I can't believe the hype around Charlie. Don't get me wrong he's a decent prospect with an eye for goal, but there's along way to go for him. He needs to lose a bit of the prima dona attitude aswell, although we have all shared his frustrations at times this season!

I think Charlie should bare in mind Jo Kuffour was playing for Torquay last season not Tottenham, take his time and develop as a player before moving on.

The worst thing Charlie could do is move to a team where he's not playing every week. At Brentford he'll play every game with a more experienced striker next to him.

I hope he doesn't become billy big boots and piss the rest of the team off with his selfish style of play.

 

[allencook]

this thread wouldn’t even have started had he not scored 2 in his last game. there’s potential but there is potential in 300+ other youngsters about also.

5 goals in 27 before last weekend in league 1 doesn’t really suggest he is capable of any sort of step up in form at the moment. in 2 years time who knows? you can only really tell when a TOP talent is about that you can be sure they will go on. i don’t think charlie is going to be a TOP talent.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

this thread wouldn’t even have started had he not scored 2 in his last game. there’s potential but there is potential in 300+ other youngsters about also.

5 goals in 27 before last weekend in league 1 doesn’t really suggest he is capable of any sort of step up in form at the moment. in 2 years time who knows? you can only really tell when a TOP talent is about that you can be sure they will go on. i don’t think charlie is going to be a TOP talent.

The note of caution is fair, but the stats are a bit misleading. I reckon that Charlie has played most of his games as a winger, with no more than 10 or so as a striker, which makes his stats rather better.

 

[hypa123]

I hope he doesn't become billy big boots and piss the rest of the team off with his selfish style of play.

A streak of selfishness is what a striker needs to be really effective.

 

[MattBees]

I think:

a) Too early to assess - far too few games to gather any form of consistency
b) He needs to do a 'Tabby' and bulk up a bit - he's too lightweight and gets knocked off the ball.
c) A little naive at the moment
d) First touch can be woeful

I do however think that he could turn into a decent player - I can't see him leaving if he is offered real prospects at the Bees....

On the otherhand I could be talking utter sh*e! rofl

 

[sonofabee]

I think:

a) Too early to assess - far too few games to gather any form of consistency
b) He needs to do a 'Tabby' and bulk up a bit - he's too lightweight and gets knocked off the ball.
c) A little naive at the moment
d) First touch can be woeful

I do however think that he could turn into a decent player - I can't see him leaving if he is offered real prospects at the Bees....

On the otherhand I could be talking utter sh*e! rofl

Good post, don't think you're talking sh*te.

it's still early days, he can be naive and his first touch is at best poor, but......he knows where the net is and that's something you don't learn. He's started to get a taste for it and proved he can do it at this level whilst still a novice.

If he gets to play off a decent big man next season I think he'll score goals for fun and then we'll get a decent return on him.

 

[VTG]

If he stays, plays in his correct position and doesn't get injured, he'll score 15 or more next season.

 

[Westlad]

If he doesn't get injured it'll be more like 20 if you look at his goal rate recently.

 

[jabsco79]

as good as he wants to be

 

[havelockbee]

A streak of selfishness is what a striker needs to be really effective.

Totally agree, what worries me with him is his attitude when others dont do what he wants or pass it exactly where he expects it. I know we've played terrible this season, cant remember it ever this bad, but he needs to be more consistent before slating team mates. Tabby is a different player, but a team one.

Whereever he is next season, he has given himself something to live up to and will have to deal with alot more attention, how he comes through that will tell how good he is.

 

[ronnie1958]

If you look at the amount of times he has started as a out and out striker.
It must only be five or six times his goal rate is very good at seven

 

[North London Bee]

Potential star as he seems to have the necessary skill, selfishness in front of goal and determination to succeed. Good in the air for his size, a little bit of pace and good anticipation - let's hope he does not become another Richard Poole or Rapley though !

 

[allencook]

If you look at the amount of times he has started as a out and out striker.
It must only be five or six times his goal rate is very good at seven

if you take out all the games he hasnt scored his goal ratio is awsome!

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Potential star as he seems to have the necessary skill, selfishness in front of goal and determination to succeed. Good in the air for his size, a little bit of pace and good anticipation - let's hope he does not become another Richard Poole or Rapley though !

He must already have achieved more than Poole did in his Brentford career. Rapley is a valid comparison; let's hope Charlie's career works out better than KR's did

 

[beeeehive]

A streak of selfishness is what a striker needs to be really effective.

Not at the expense of shooting from stupid angles when players are waiting in the box.

 

[Stanley]

Not at the expense of shooting from stupid angles when players are waiting in the box.

If it was Willock, Shipps, Brooker or Mous in the box what would have been the point ??

The boys' got brains...

 

[Bees_4eva]

I think he can go as far as he wants to. Witha b it of luck theres no reason he cant get to the top. (look at Hunt). If he keeps up how he ahs this season then he is a future star. His striek ratio in his proper position, up front, is brilliant for a man of hsi age; considering hes only been upfront no mre than 8 times. Some people on here are being very harsh on the lad, his attitude suggests he'll kep his feet on the ground. It amazes me that dspite being our best all round player this season, he still gets critisism. Yes he has weak points, but lets not forget this is his first eyar, coming in at teh deep end into a side that had **** all confidence. Hes doen very well and should have been player of teh season IMO; if he contiunes to progress like he has so far; there is little reason to say he wont go all the way.

 

[havelockbee]

It amazes me that dspite being our best all round player this season, he still gets critisism.

I must have missed something for me Kuffour has been our most consistent and best player. Although I'll admit Charlie has provided more on the wing, than Kuffour, but he has no where near the same control of the ball. He obviously has the time and age to develop and catch or surpass Kuffour, but time will tell. I dont doubt Ide has potential, but he is also one of the few bright sparks in an awful side.

In the right environment he could really develop into something, but at best right now he is div1 young up coming player, would he start for Bristol City or Notts forest?

He may have been in the right place last Saturday for the first goal, but it was going in without him. Let's be honest how much would you pay for him?

I dont want to sound like I have a downer on him because he is a great prospect developed by the club, but I believe he could do worse than hang around another season. Regular starter in div2 or sub in div 1? I think the worst thing that could happen to him right now is to believe the hype

 

[VTG]

According the to answers from the Fans Forum, he's been offered a contract.
All we do now is wait and hope.

 

[beeeehive]

I must have missed something for me Kuffour has been our most consistent and best player. Although I'll admit Charlie has provided more on the wing, than Kuffour, but he has no where near the same control of the ball. He obviously has the time and age to develop and catch or surpass Kuffour, but time will tell. I dont doubt Ide has potential, but he is also one of the few bright sparks in an awful side.

In the right environment he could really develop into something, but at best right now he is div1 young up coming player, would he start for Bristol City or Notts forest?

He may have been in the right place last Saturday for the first goal, but it was going in without him. Let's be honest how much would you pay for him?

I dont want to sound like I have a downer on him because he is a great prospect developed by the club, but I believe he could do worse than hang around another season. Regular starter in div2 or sub in div 1? I think the worst thing that could happen to him right now is to believe the hype

Agree, Kuffour has been heads and shoulders above everyone this season. I remember when Shipperley joined and some people thought Shipps was far better then Kuffour lol

 

[GP200]

.......any news on his injury.......stretchered off..............

 

[West Ealing Bee]

.......any news on his injury.......stretchered off..............

Said after the game he had jarred his knee (though it could have been his ankle I was earwigging).

If the season was going on he'd miss a couple of weeks, can't see it being an issue for next season.

Or any medical at another club