Howard Webb

[Gee Bee]

Not wishing to be too picky, honestly, but dissent cannot be punished by a straight red card! Dissent is a cautionable offence

If it includes foul and abusive language in the dissent it can be a straight red.

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

If it includes foul and abusive language in the dissent it can be a straight red.

Then it is no longer dissent, it then comes under "Foul and Abusive Language"

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

I agree BHS, Webb was exceptional as he refereed the final. He was exceptionally lenient to almost the entire Netherlands team who should have been reduced to eight men by the end of the match. Just because a ref can use his discretion that does not make every decision he makes a correct one.

So you would have prefered him to send of 3 Dutch players and create a complete farce of the final?

I feel he refereed the game with an awful lot of common sense.

 

[Claire]

So you would have prefered him to send of 3 Dutch players and create a complete farce of the final?

I feel he refereed the game with an awful lot of common sense.

More common sense than a lot of refs now days.

 

[hypa123]

I feel he refereed the game with an awful lot of common sense.

Agreed. In effect, the Dutch team were presenting Webb with a form of blackmail: either you send off one or more of our players and stand accused of ruining the World Cup final as a spectacle, or you grant us the right to commit a large number of niggling, sometimes serious, fouls with near-impunity - a grossly unfair advantage.

It's easy to criticise Webb's choice, but he chose the lesser of two evils. And fortunately the match ended with the fairest team winning.

 

[Mr Tree]

so both sides are criticising, one saying he was too harsh, the other saying he wasn't harsh enough.

so surely he did alright, really :shrug:

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

so both sides are criticising, one saying he was too harsh, the other saying he wasn't harsh enough.

so surely he did alright, really :shrug:

He played it straight down the middle then surely

 

[Mr Tree]

surely :yes:

 

[California Bee]

So you would have prefered him to send of 3 Dutch players and create a complete farce of the final?

I feel he refereed the game with an awful lot of common sense.

If he had red-carded the first offender there almost certainly wouldn't have been two more red-card offences. Also, since he had overlooked the first offender that doesn't mean he was right to overlook the second and third. Overall, his leniency seemed to have encouraged the Netherlanders to continue their violent tactics without recrimination.

 

[TW3Bee]

At least none of the Dutch players gobbed at the Spanish players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfpaPIVO69Y&feature=related

 

[WisBee]

Not wishing to be too picky, honestly, but dissent cannot be punished by a straight red card! Dissent is a cautionable offence, and while you feel Webb possibly acted with discretion in not issuing a second caution when Robben kicked the ball away, I still feel he should have sent him off.

Imagine if it had gone to penalties and Robben had scored the winning kick!!

Still I guess it is all about opinions!

.............................what about Iniesta's challenge well after the ball had gone - it wasn't even a footballing challenge, it was running up to the Dutch guy and giving him 'what-for'?............................

.......................now imagine Iniesta scoring the winning goal.....................

 

[Mr Tree]

seriously? Iniesta stuck his hip out while the guy ran past him. his hip!! are you suggesting that should've been a red-card?!?!

 

[mhead bee]

Also with Robben kicking the ball away, I thought HW dealt with it very well. Dissent is not an automatic yellow card,

Kicking the ball away is a yellow card offense. He then went on to book a spaniard about 10 minutes later for doing the same thing.

He let robben off to avoid a red but the spanish guy got one because he hadnt offended beforehand. He should have sent as many off as deserved it regardless and it would be the dutch who would be remembered for disgracefully ruining the final.

 

[Salford Bee]

He let robben off to avoid a red but the spanish guy got one because he hadnt offended beforehand.

I do agree with that point but I wouldn't have booked the Spanish player as a result.

 

[mhead bee]

.............................what about Iniesta's challenge well after the ball had gone - it wasn't even a footballing challenge, it was running up to the Dutch guy and giving him 'what-for'?............................

.......................now imagine Iniesta scoring the winning goal.....................

That is exactly the problem Webb gave himself for not doing the job properly. If iniesta had gone off, what a complete fkin traversty to see one of the worlds best players sent off in a WC for retailiating after about 5 red card challenges went unpunished against him.

We always seem to get that old chestnut about retaliation being worse than commiting bad fouls as you can not retaliate as it is up to the ref to deal with the first incident. If the ref has decided not to take responsibility and to take the easy way out and not show the 2nd yellow then how can it be fair to send a player off who has been the victim of such cowardess when he retailiates?

I would have sent the lot of them off and then fifa deal with the fallout... too much diving and cheating that goes unpunished has led to this. It was that idiot sepp tw*tter who said when asked if he would consider retrospective punishment for diving, "as a forward i think it is ok to make the most of a challenge if you are in the box"... in other words giving a thumbs up to diving. No matter the game is in the state it is in.

 

[WisBee]

seriously? Iniesta stuck his hip out while the guy ran past him. his hip!! are you suggesting that should've been a red-card?!?!

..................................I'm not too sure if you are referring to the same incident as I, or whether you simply need more powerful spectacles.................

 

[Mr Tree]

i remember one by the touchline where, after the ball had gone, Iniesta tripped the Dutch guy. the slow-mo showed him literally just barging him, or sticking out his hip, to ensure the Dutchie couldn't get past him, and of course the Dutchie went into a double-somersault and players converged on the ref.

it was a foul, it was off-the-ball, it was retaliation and it was aggressive. but lord help me if it was a red card.

 

[mhead bee]

i remember one by the touchline where, after the ball had gone, Iniesta tripped the Dutch guy. the slow-mo showed him literally just barging him, or sticking out his hip, to ensure the Dutchie couldn't get past him, and of course the Dutchie went into a double-somersault and players converged on the ref.

it was a foul, it was off-the-ball, it was retaliation and it was aggressive. but lord help me if it was a red card.

I remember him doing a little charge at van bommell and body checking him, initialy it looked bad but the replay showed no contact and bumhole writhed in agony.

I suppose if we had a foreign ref we would have seen spain down to 9 men and bumhole taking the winning penalty. I though webb bottled it but it is fair to say he is better than most other refs, the foreign ones are as bad as the players thinking everything is a free kick.

 

[WisBee]

so both sides are criticising, one saying he was too harsh, the other saying he wasn't harsh enough.

so surely he did alright, really :shrug:

it was a foul, it was off-the-ball, it was retaliation and it was aggressive. but lord help me if it was a red card.

...........................and as far as I recall, was missed by Webb - do you still think 'so surely he did alright, really'?..........................


I don't know if any other referee could have dealt with the final in a better way, all I think is that Webb was not up to the mark, in a number of situations.......................

 

[sussexb]

...........................and as far as I recall, was missed by Webb - do you still think 'so surely he did alright, really'?..........................


I don't know if any other referee could have dealt with the final in a better way, all I think is that Webb was not up to the mark, in a number of situations.......................

I'm 99% sure Iniesta got booked for it. I agree with Tree though, was never a red card...

 

[Mr Tree]

i've made you an appointment at Specsavers, Wisbee