Igor Thiago

[Untouchable]

Ok . What has he done of merit in the last three games?

You’ve asserted that Thiago has been poor as a matter of fact. Your job to back that up, not mine to prove otherwise.

 

[thanetbee]

You’ve asserted that Thiago has been poor as a matter of fact. Your job to back that up, not mine to prove otherwise.

Nice one

 

[cd1994]

Nope. He took about 5 games till he scored (a penalty). It’s all on the Ivan Toney thread if you can be bothered to go back. I wouldn’t bother though!

ok, he was on 5 league goals after his first 5 matches*

 

[BeeReal]

How quickly some forget Everton away and make a judgement based on a few substitute minutes after a significant time out injured.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

He has still been poor. It is just facts. It doesn’t mean he will always be poor, and there are key reasons for that which Thomas has been clear on. As I say I am sure he will come good.

Time to stop digging the hole!

 

[thanetbee]

Time to stop digging the hole!

I am not in any hole thank you. I am still waiting for my critics to explain the benefit he has provided in the last three games. I fully expect he will be excellent next season and noted Thomas saying he was not really ready for these last three games. Please explain what hole I am in?

 

[magicbees]

Let's see what he's like in pre-season, but I hope we can keep Wissa for at least one more season. Then he can ease into the season.

 

[Beecareful]

Let's see what he's like in pre-season, but I hope we can keep Wissa for at least one more season. Then he can ease into the season.

yes, yes and thrice yes!

spot on mr magicbee

 

[condorman]

ok, he was on 5 league goals after his first 5 matches*

He was involved in a couple of cup matches too. Doesn’t matter either way, the point is about the people moaning about him, which definitely happened.

 

[WarrenBee]

Once he's fit, and firing on all cylinders, he'll be the new Francis Joseph! Watch him go once that first goal goes in, he'll be a beast.

 

[mhead bee]

hopefully Wissa will be paired with him.

Wissa's PL experience (and goals!) could be paramount.

Wissa & Kev will move wide I suspect. Wissa may not like it after 20 goals, Ivan only managed 20 with half of them being pens.

 

[TadB]

Ok . What has he done of merit in the last three games?

Well he did not score a hat trick in his ten minutes but to be fair he did touch the ball a few times.

 

[jlove]

Is it just me thinking this thread’s taken a weird turn?

 

[beeeehive]

I am not in any hole thank you. I am still waiting for my critics to explain the benefit he has provided in the last three games. I fully expect he will be excellent next season and noted Thomas saying he was not really ready for these last three games. Please explain what hole I am in?

It's just pointless judging a player who comes on for a few mins at the end of games when he's been out the whole season. There is zero to go on either way, it's not like any other players set the world alight when he came on.

 

[LongLostBee]

He only touched the ball 8 times, one of those being a successful tackle, one blocking a cross, so 6 other times, and 4 of those being passes out to the right.
I really don't see what he's supposed to have done. Simple fact is he chipped in defensively and offloaded up front and got no service in return.
It's not like we've given him loads of service and he's looked rusty and fluffed everything.
It was a ropey performance by the team overall bar one or two but I'd say he's amongst the least at fault for it and looked more up for it than many when he came on.

 

[claphambee]

Wissa & Kev will move wide I suspect. Wissa may not like it after 20 goals, Ivan only managed 20 with half of them being pens.

I don't think Wissa would stay if that was explained to him as TF's plan for next season.

He's openly said many times he doesn't feel he's as effective on the wing (and he's right).

The idea of moving our 18 goal (non penalties) striker to the wing to accommodate Thiago (who we hope will be brilliant, but not known yet) is not right in my opinion.

It's Wissa's spot to lose (if he stays) and it's Thiago's job to show us and TF that he's better. Nice problem to have.

Agree we'll see Schade on the right next year, and KLP/Nunes battling it out on the left (Rico LB)

 

[JANORAK]

Is it just me thinking this thread’s taken a weird turn?

Not just you. What is weird is that it’s none of my doing!

 

[Beecareful]

I don't think Wissa would stay if that was explained to him as TF's plan for next season.

He's openly said many times he doesn't feel he's as effective on the wing (and he's right).

The idea of moving our 18 goal (non penalties) striker to the wing to accommodate Thiago (who we hope will be brilliant, but not known yet) is not right in my opinion.

It's Wissa's spot to lose (if he stays) and it's Thiago's job to show us and TF that he's better. Nice problem to have.

Agree we'll see Schade on the right next year, and KLP/Nunes battling it out on the left (Rico LB)

or even this year... three months from now.

 

[TadB]

What have I said that is so controversial? I have not said he will not come good. Fully expect him to be on fire next year. The Hungary comment is assuming we will be on a euro tour!

…….or a pre season friendly.

 

[UPTHEBEES]

Not gonna judge him on a couple of games and a few sub appearances especially considering he’s been out with a serious injury. Thomas Frank clearly rates him so that’s enough tor me

 

[BlueJayBee]

You’ve asserted that Thiago has been poor as a matter of fact. Your job to back that up, not mine to prove otherwise.

Question: how does one prove total b0llocks though?

 

[Untouchable]

Question: how does one prove total b0llocks though?

Add the phrase ‘It is just facts’ at the end of every sentence and nothing further is needed ?

 

[Hullbee]

Question: how does one prove total b0llocks though?

Either put your head in the toliet and flush repeatedly or seek to run in female event at the Olympics and let them decide if your b***ocks are total or otherwise

 

[W5BeesFan]

Either put your head in the toliet and flush repeatedly or seek to run in female event at the Olympics and let them decide if your b***ocks are total or otherwise

We've jumped the gun here. Not supposed to start talking utter b***ocks until close season where it swings from Eriksen on his way back to Thomas Frank to Saudi and everything in between.

 

[marvelous007]

He has still been poor. It is just facts. It doesn’t mean he will always be poor, and there are key reasons for that which Thomas has been clear on. As I say I am sure he will come good.

You are ignored the fact that he has had some serious injuries. I'm sure he will get up to speed soon....

Tbh, it took a few of our forwards more than 1 season to do that. He deserves a chance

 

[Hullbee]

You are ignored the fact that he has had some serious injuries. I'm sure he will get up to speed soon....

Tbh, it took a few of our forwards more than 1 season to do that. He deserves a chance

Even in normal Jon’s it takes a few weeks to get going understand the various systems etc

 

[Silly Hat]

So you think he has made a difference in the last three games?

The three games where he played 9 mins, 5 mins and 15 mins? Those three games?

[Draws up a chair]

Thaney. I can call you Thaney, right? I think we’re interweb fwends.

Can you show me on this doll where the concept of not giving an injured Brentford player a fair go touched you?

 

[beebopalula]

give me strength

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

The three games where he played 9 mins, 5 mins and 15 mins? Those three games?

[Draws up a chair]

Thaney. I can call you Thaney, right? I think we’re interweb fwends.

Can you show me on this doll where the concept of not giving an injured Brentford player a fair go touched you?

I'm wondering if this is your finest season, in your long career as a gpg stalwart?

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Not gonna judge him on a couple of games and a few sub appearances especially considering he’s been out with a serious injury. Thomas Frank clearly rates him so that’s enough tor me

He looked pretty impressive when he played his one game as a start against Newcastle. Probably no coincidence also the one game we won against the Top 6.

 

[ChrisSmith1992]

Do you know what I find mental… the fact Giles has proved time and time again he gets it right 95% of the time, yet people expect instant success. He’s been injured for the majority of the season; and he’s been brought on for 5-10 min cameos each time. What’s he supposed to do?! Hardly anyone we sign instantly hits it off, that’s why they’ve joined us and not a top 6 club. Give me strength ffs

 

[Untouchable]

He’s been injured for the majority of the season; and he’s been brought on for 5-10 min cameos each time. What’s he supposed to do?!

Exactly. Now factor in that he’s been with us almost a year and when fit he’s been training to play our way and in our systems.

With a full pre season under his belt, we’re going to see something special next year.

I maintain that the most common phrase in the PL next year will be:

Goal: Thiago ️
Assist: Damsgaard ?️

 

[Gee Bee]

I don't think Wissa would stay if that was explained to him as TF's plan for next season.

He's openly said many times he doesn't feel he's as effective on the wing (and he's right).

The idea of moving our 18 goal (non penalties) striker to the wing to accommodate Thiago (who we hope will be brilliant, but not known yet) is not right in my opinion.

It's Wissa's spot to lose (if he stays) and it's Thiago's job to show us and TF that he's better. Nice problem to have.

Agree we'll see Schade on the right next year, and KLP/Nunes battling it out on the left (Rico LB)

We simply don’t play a specific rigid system, it changes, often during games.
I suspect that dependent on who’s fit snd available we will often play a 2 upfront that’s then flexible to be 442, 352, 433, 532. TF explained thus in his interview.

 

[Wise old Bee]

I would've thought that he and Wissa would alternate positions during games. This would be effective, particularly against CB pairings like Andersen and Bassey who are a lot less comfortable when pulled out wide.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

He looked pretty impressive when he played his one game as a start against Newcastle. Probably no coincidence also the one game we won against the Top 6.

So it's ok to judge a player on one game if it is a good one, but not if it is a bad one? Just saying

 

[AB]

The idea of a GPG awards ceremony crosses my mind.

Best wind up merchant.
Longest sulk.
Poster of most total aggregate b***ocks.

Not to mention this year’s entry into the hall of fame.

It wouldn’t work because most of the nominees, particularly for the third award, would have been put on ignore by most sensible gpgers!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

So it's ok to judge a player on one game if it is a good one, but not if it is a bad one? Just saying

I can't understand why people think he's had "bad" games. Ineffective in the 10 minutes that he's been given does not equal bad.

 

[jlove]

I can't understand why people think he's had "bad" games. Ineffective in the 10 minutes that he's been given does not equal bad.

I can hear the GPG’s football experts saying:

For that sort of money I expect a worldie no matter how many minutes...

 

[thanetbee]

I can't understand why people think he's had "bad" games. Ineffective in the 10 minutes that he's been given does not equal bad.

Ineffective " not producing any significant or desired effect:"

Hardly good either

 

[beeeehive]

He was actually very decent when he came on away at Ipswich, looked sharp, good control and pressing.

 

[Silly Hat]

Ineffective " not producing any significant or desired effect:"

Hardly good either

Genuine question - did Thiago kick your cat? Regardless, no amount of Tiddles-shoeing could justify your sustained vitriol against the guy IMHO.

 

[GABS]

Underlying all these comments, supportive or otherwise, is the £30m Brentford FC spent on him.

It's natural that draws attention to him, be it a few minutes here and there this season or a run of 90 min appearances in August and beyond.

Giles and Co have a decent success hit rate over the years, so any fretting is unlikely justified.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Genuine question - did Thiago kick your cat? Regardless, no amount of Tiddles-shoeing could justify your sustained vitriol against the guy IMHO.

Tried to, missed. Bloody useless.

 

[Silly Hat]

Tried to, missed. Bloody useless. Injured himself. Giles out. Something something....

Slightly amended for you.

 

[LingfieldBee]

I don't even know where to begin with the last few pages of this ? but just sums up the entitlement of a minority and probably the PL factor making some of our fans deluded.


The minority doubted Collins, KLP, Jensen, Damsgaard. So I think I'll continue backing TF and the coaching/recruitment team.

 

[BaildonBee]

I saw enough in his start against Newcastle to tell me he is is going to be fine.

 

[Beecareful]

"Thomas Frank clearly rates him so that’s enough tor me"

that's really saying let's not post or say anything about any players...

 

[Phreebee]

It wouldn’t work because most of the nominees, particularly for the third award, would have been put on ignore by most sensible gpgers!

I seem to have missed that option.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Ineffective " not producing any significant or desired effect:"

Hardly good either

? try this one now you've worn the other one out.

 

[aslan]

"Thomas Frank clearly rates him so that’s enough tor me"

that's really saying let's not post or say anything about any players...

It's not though, is it? It's saying trust the judgement of the well paid geniuses who have seen him perform rather than forming an opinion with very little to go off