January 2017 Transfer Window

[readingbee]

There will be more. Just not this month

Ok. You know I meant this transfer window

 

[josht]

Credit where its due, Vibe was excellent tonight. I didnt see that performance coming.

It's because you have such little faith.

He's not going to perform like that in every match but performances such as tonight's will see him score a fair few before the end of the season.

 

[wanderer paul]

Window closed. We held onto Jota.



Here's to the Summer Transfer Thread 2017. :beer:

 

[Indian Bee]

Thank god the window is over. I think we generally we have had a good window. Got a good fee for Hogan, recalled Jota, Canos back and a new winger. With Judge and Henry to come into the side looks not too bad. Still need a midfield general but can't be too picky. I for one will enjoy the rest of the season knowing come the end of the season we would firmly have established ourselves as a second tier club for the third season.

 

[Pauly Paul]

Window closed. We held onto Jota.

And Judge!

 

[Hamburger Hill]

The anaemic Vibe will also have to pull his weight.

Please let someone change their username for one day....I nominate voice

 

[wanderer paul]

And Judge!

He wasn't going anywhere. He has to get back to full fitness before someone takes a punt.

 

[Sean]

And Judge!

After tonight's performance I would not play him again. He is moving on so let him go. But don't give him game time. Let us focus on the future.

 

[thenightfly]

Apparently Cliff said at event this evening that two players they wanted they were chasing with only hours to go. Couldn't get deals over line. Any ideas who they were ? I guess it's possible they could be announced tomorrow but evidently unlikely.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Apparently Cliff said at event this evening that two players they wanted they were chasing with only hours to go. Couldn't get deals over line. Any ideas who they were ? I guess it's possible they could be announced tomorrow but evidently unlikely.

Watkins and a defensive midfielder would be my guesses.

 

[Jim Rourke]

It's a bloody great risk we are taking. Hoping Canos can hit the ground running and probably adapt to playing up top. The anaemic Vibe will also have to pull his weight.

This smells of last January in that I well suspect that we feel we are in no danger of the drop so it's not worth overpaying for players.

That's fine as long as we manage to improve our results and entertain.

This is exactly the same as I wrote last Feb after the end of the Window when we had done little and they were eventually proved correct but not until after a few shocks and worries.

Let's see what happens but please can the powers that be stop telling us that the playoffs are a realistic target and then give up on the season in January for the second year running.

I am surprised at your comments NLB.

Canos for me meant certain safety for the coming season. And that was a comment I wanted to make before 7.45pm.

At 9.45pm, the whole thing had another dimension! Certainly entertained tonight.

Apart from the footballing aspect, I can see Canos bring some 'fun' to the place which I suspect can only be positive

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Still a striker short IMO.

 

[hanworthbee]

I guess we are going with Vibe, he probably deserves a chance but I'm sure plenty of people on here assured us we would not let hogan go and not replace him ! Maybe the thinking is canos could do a job up there as could the Hoff but if he got injured we are in trouble.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Whilst we might be a bit disappointed that we didn't get a midfielder and a striker, the "DoFs" did bring Jota, Canos and Flo in. Three seriously good players.

 

[rhbee]

Anyone itk know roughly how much we got for hogan? I know it was a club record fee...

 

[Banana]

Anyone itk know roughly how much we got for hogan? I know it was a club record fee...

It's been widely reported as 9+3.

 

[Manchester_Bee]

Anyone know what kind of sell on we got from Hogan?

 

[Sunbury Bee]

Whilst we might be a bit disappointed that we didn't get a midfielder and a striker, the "DoFs" did bring Jota, Canos and Flo in. Three seriously good players.

I think that is stretching it a bit far Les. Jota wanted to come home and made contact with the club. Canos was already well known by the club and by all accounts wanted to come back as he just wants to play football. Flo I'll give you!!

IMO not to bring in another forward and still not to have a defensive 'nasty' midfielder is a failure by DOF's.

 

[The Pipe]

I think that is stretching it a bit far Les. Jota wanted to come home and made contact with the club. Canos was already well known by the club and by all accounts wanted to come back as he just wants to play football. Flo I'll give you!!

IMO not to bring in another forward and still not to have a defensive 'nasty' midfielder is a failure by DOF's.

As we have failed to get a "nasty" midfield nadty player for the past goodness knows how many windows perhaps the powers that be don't see that it is a major issue

Whilst we as fans always want one a number of the best clubs don't rely on them, preferring skill and movement.

What is always needed are lots of leaders in the field and that needs to be developed

As for forwards, we will never know if they were the ones we couldn't get over the line, however in my opinion our DoF's have done some pretty good business over the past few windows

 

[jlove]

IMO not to bring in another forward and still not to have a defensive 'nasty' midfielder is a failure by DOF's.

There's very few opportunities to recruit key players at reasonable costs in the January window, there's no "failure" here. As we're not pushing for promotion or in danger of relegation, it is better to hold fire until the summer. The D's of F can work on our targets and give full attention to creating the maximum value to the Club; that's what we did last season and I expect it is what we will do next.

 

[kevalutonbee]

I think that is stretching it a bit far Les. Jota wanted to come home and made contact with the club. Canos was already well known by the club and by all accounts wanted to come back as he just wants to play football. Flo I'll give you!!

IMO not to bring in another forward and still not to have a defensive 'nasty' midfielder is a failure by DOF's.

Failure or desire not to be mugged off by other clubs. I'm sure if we have an idea of what we wish to sell a player for we have an idea of what we are prepared to pay for a player too

 

[Sunbury Bee]

This message board is obviously full of differing opinions but in my opinion not to have resolved the 2 positions mentioned in my post is a failure. We keep waiting to the summer to bring players in but IMO we should try and get the players in now. We can then get them integrate into the team now so we can get off to a fast start next season rather re-building in the summer and then taking time to get going and the same old excuses come up like the team need time to gel etc etc.

 

[King Bee]

This message board is obviously full of differing opinions but in my opinion not to have resolved the 2 positions mentioned in my post is a failure. We keep waiting to the summer to bring players in but IMO we should try and get the players in now. We can then get them integrate into the team now so we can get off to a fast start next season rather re-building in the summer and then taking time to get going and the same old excuses come up like the team need time to gel etc etc.

So easy isn't it... I believed we looked at one or so called two hard nut midfielders, but a) found their inflated January price too much to bear and b) in one case were concerned about their re-sale value. Last time I looked we were burning cash at well over £7m per season, only one person is fronting those costs and that is Matthew Benham. It is not sustainable unless we find players in the meantime that we can sell on for enhanced multiples ala Hogan, Gray et al. The DoFs have a hard enough job competing with teams who have a 5-7x bigger budget than we do. Get real please.

 

[Sandy1]

In reality the DoF have achieved around 40/50% of the objects in this transfer window which the majority of fans really wanted.
Jota and it appears Canos asked to come home.
Saunders has now left and his replacement Flo Jo who we needed at the start of the season appears to be the short term answer.
McCormack who could have left, still has not and their are plenty of teams that don't play the Villa way, and his replacement is still required.
Judge has not lefted, and looks likes he is just running down his contract over the next few months to leave. No replacement all season.
Hogan finally leaves for the best bottom end price we could have got. It would have been good to get his replacement in now.
Elder and Kia Kia returned and we are looking just stabilize over the next few months.
No movement on Hoffman and KK with replacements. I am sure DS would like to have better options, and let them leave.
I guess the players they were looking to bring in were too expensive, and they were not looking at the right types!

 

[Sunbury Bee]

So easy isn't it... I believed we looked at one or so called two hard nut midfielders, but a) found their inflated January price too much to bear and b) in one case were concerned about their re-sale value. Last time I looked we were burning cash at well over £7m per season, only one person is fronting those costs and that is Matthew Benham. It is not sustainable unless we find players in the meantime that we can sell on for enhanced multiples ala Hogan, Gray et al. The DoFs have a hard enough job competing with teams who have a 5-7x bigger budget than we do. Get real please.

So you don't agree with me so I am not for real? All about opinion I'm afraid. I have a different one to you but please don't tell me to get real as I understand the constraints we are under and the model. The model does work well as seen by the money brought in from player sales over the last 18 months but I really can't believe that we have still not addressed the midfield issue.

 

[dbee3]

In reality the DoF have achieved around 40/50% of the objects in this transfer window which the majority of fans really wanted.
Jota and it appears Canos asked to come home.
Saunders has now left and his replacement Flo Jo who we needed at the start of the season appears to be the short term answer.
McCormack who could have left, still has not and their are plenty of teams that don't play the Villa way, and his replacement is still required.
Judge has not lefted, and looks likes he is just running down his contract over the next few months to leave. No replacement all season.
Hogan finally leaves for the best bottom end price we could have got. It would have been good to get his replacement in now.
Elder and Kia Kia returned and we are looking just stabilize over the next few months.
No movement on Hoffman and KK with replacements. I am sure DS would like to have better options, and let them leave.
I guess the players they were looking to bring in were too expensive, and they were not looking at the right types!

 

[sussexbee91]

This message board is obviously full of differing opinions but in my opinion not to have resolved the 2 positions mentioned in my post is a failure. We keep waiting to the summer to bring players in but IMO we should try and get the players in now. We can then get them integrate into the team now so we can get off to a fast start next season rather re-building in the summer and then taking time to get going and the same old excuses come up like the team need time to gel etc etc.

They are putting faith in vibe, and it looks like Canos will also cover the central role. I still thought a loan player might come in.

I don't think the midfield enforcer will ever come, in time we will probably look for another energetic box to box all-rounder. The deep lying playmaker looks to be part of the long term plan.

Watching yesterdays transfers I think we played it just about right. There is still a lot of potential left in the current squad. The two in added value, and Jota.

 

[jlove]

In reality the DoF have achieved around 40/50% of the objects in this transfer window which the majority of fans really wanted.
Jota and it appears Canos asked to come home.
Saunders has now left and his replacement Flo Jo who we needed at the start of the season appears to be the short term answer.
McCormack who could have left, still has not and their are plenty of teams that don't play the Villa way, and his replacement is still required.
Judge has not lefted, and looks likes he is just running down his contract over the next few months to leave. No replacement all season.
Hogan finally leaves for the best bottom end price we could have got. It would have been good to get his replacement in now.
Elder and Kia Kia returned and we are looking just stabilize over the next few months.
No movement on Hoffman and KK with replacements. I am sure DS would like to have better options, and let them leave.
I guess the players they were looking to bring in were too expensive, and they were not looking at the right types!

This is actually all very naughty.

The D's of F are not there to do what fans want, the recruitment team act for the benefit of the Club; if the type of player is not available at a realist cost, then we won't get a player in. Stating that Jota and Canós asked to come home is disingenuous. We've just contracted two attacking midfielders, so how can you say Judge has not been replaced? I could go on...

Coming off the back of a superb performance, why?

 

[Doovster]

I would have bit your hand off on 1st January if someone had said Jota, Canos and Flo in for around £2.75M and Hogan out for £9/10M.

With Rico coming back we look to have great quality all of a sudden and a nice war chest to go shopping at more sensible prices in the summer.

I'm suddenly excited again and think our business has been great.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Coming off the back of a superb performance, why?

Consistency?

 

[eaglebee]

IMO not to bring in another forward and still not to have a defensive 'nasty' midfielder is a failure by DOF's.

Have you not considered that the people we might have been interested in didn't want to join us for whatever reason, or had a better offer elsewhere (we all know money is now the king) or we did not fancy anyone who didn't meet our requirements, it is after all a two way thing, no point in buying/loaning just for the sake of it, I think we will now be OK to survive in the Championship again with what we have got, and then build from here for the new stadium and the Premiership, slowly, slowly catchee monkey springs to mind.

 

[King Bee]

So you don't agree with me so I am not for real? All about opinion I'm afraid. I have a different one to you but please don't tell me to get real as I understand the constraints we are under and the model. The model does work well as seen by the money brought in from player sales over the last 18 months but I really can't believe that we have still not addressed the midfield issue.

Your opinions are valid, just expect them to be challenged - that's the point of a forum. And if you see above, I said we tried to bolster our midfield options this window but were turned off by the eventual asking price and resale value of some of these players. I suspect we may well have better luck in the summer. That said, yesterday I'm pretty sure our so-called lightweight midfield dominated an Aston Villa team comprised of Hourihane, Lansbury and Adomah - players that many a Bees fan have cast an envy eye over in recent past - so maybe the DoFs feel we're OK for now this season?

 

[wibs]

It was interesting Vibe pointedly stated in teh post match interview that he had been playing out of position, and felt now he was back where he prefers fans would see the best of him. I also felt he deliberately didn't celebrate his first goal as if he was a bit cheesed off as if to say "see I told yo u I could do it its not all about Hogan, its what I do."

Also the co-commentator kept making the point of how he wold create space by not actually touching the ball, a case in point being the chance Jota put wide late on. He did it a couple of other times as well so it something to look out for.

Personally I think his touch needs to improve but its encouraging Vibe looked more like the player we thought we'd signed in July 2015.

 

[jlove]

Consistency?

Certainly... the one consistent thing is our inconsistency! My "why", though, was "why make these negative comments?".

 

[The Pipe]

Think the Directors of Football have come in for some pretty unfair criticism this season

We have a " model" that works for us, we look for talented players that we can afford, often with some serious injury issues in the past which deflates the price, allows us to hopefully develop them and sell in due course for a handsome profit. By and large this has proved successful,

The midfield " enforcer " that fans demand is likely to be expensive and with probably less resale value at the expiration of the contract as, by definition, they are likely to be seasoned pros in their late 20's early 30's as such outside our "model"

The demand for new players is the same st every club, even Chelsea fans are upset there have been no new faces, yet it is not a level playing field and our limited income highlights the problems we face to attract the players we want whilst staying within FFP regulations and not asking MB to spunk even more millions.

To put it into some sort of perspective Aston Villa have spent more on transfers in the last week than we have in our entire History.!!!!!!

I think we have done pretty well in the transfer market in recent times and, in fact, rather than criticising the DoF's deserve some praise

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Certainly... the one consistent thing is our inconsistency! My "why", though, was "why make these negative comments?".

That's what I was referring to. The poster you referred to is relentlessly consistent.

 

[BlueJayBee]

To put it into some sort of perspective Aston Villa have spent more on transfers in the last week than we have in our entire History.!!!!!!

A Liverpool fan, at work, commented this morning that he thinks Villa have spent more than Liverpool this season.

As an aside, he's pleased we got Canos.

 

[wanderer paul]

A Liverpool fan, at work, commented this morning that he thinks Villa have spent more than Liverpool this season.

As an aside, he's pleased we got Canos.

What is their nett spend?

 

[hanworthbee]

Got to be around the £60m mark.

 

[dbee3]

That's what I was referring to. The poster you referred to is relentlessly consistent.

I should think the 'd', 'o' and 'f' letters on his keyboard have long worn away.

 

[Norfolk Bee]

We won't need a defensive midfielder or enforcer if the opposition can't get out of their half.

 

[ruislip bee]

Going forward I don't think small clubs like ours will be able to make much use of the loan market. With clubs charging huge loan fees to lend their players it's money down the drain we just can't afford. Much better to buy someone with potential that can be sold on in time. Obviously not everyone will workout but we're doing OK with Gray, Dallas, Hogan and would have been Judge had it not been for the Ipswich pillock. Our business model appears sound to me but it's important not to over extend ourselves and to stay within FFP.

 

[readingbee]

I would have bit your hand off on 1st January if someone had said Jota, Canos and Flo in for around £2.75M and Hogan out for £9/10M.

With Rico coming back we look to have great quality all of a sudden and a nice war chest to go shopping at more sensible prices in the summer.

I'm suddenly excited again and think our business has been great.

Sorry, just can't agree with you young man.

Our business hasn't been great........... it's been fecking brilliant :bound:

 

[North London Bee]

When was the last time we did not have any loan players at the club?

Interesting change of approach.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

We won't need a defensive midfielder or enforcer if the opposition can't get out of their half.

We definitely need that option but he's got to be a player too.

 

[nick logan]

Think the Directors of Football have come in for some pretty unfair criticism this season

We have a " model" that works for us, we look for talented players that we can afford, often with some serious injury issues in the past which deflates the price, allows us to hopefully develop them and sell in due course for a handsome profit. By and large this has proved successful,

The midfield " enforcer " that fans demand is likely to be expensive and with probably less resale value at the expiration of the contract as, by definition, they are likely to be seasoned pros in their late 20's early 30's as such outside our "model"


The demand for new players is the same st every club, even Chelsea fans are upset there have been no new faces, yet it is not a level playing field and our limited income highlights the problems we face to attract the players we want whilst staying within FFP regulations and not asking MB to spunk even more millions.

To put it into some sort of perspective Aston Villa have spent more on transfers in the last week than we have in our entire History.!!!!!!

I think we have done pretty well in the transfer market in recent times and, in fact, rather than criticising the DoF's deserve some praise

fantastic post , would the usual suspects take note please

 

[Beat Poet]

When was the last time we did not have any loan players at the club?

Interesting change of approach.

To my knowledge, the last time we went through the second half of a season without a single loanee on the books was 2000/01.

 

[malagakid]

Phil Giles interview
https://youtu.be/xGVqi-omn28

 

[Guildford Bee]

Think the Directors of Football have come in for some pretty unfair criticism this season

We have a " model" that works for us, we look for talented players that we can afford, often with some serious injury issues in the past which deflates the price, allows us to hopefully develop them and sell in due course for a handsome profit. By and large this has proved successful,

The midfield " enforcer " that fans demand is likely to be expensive and with probably less resale value at the expiration of the contract as, by definition, they are likely to be seasoned pros in their late 20's early 30's as such outside our "model"

The demand for new players is the same st every club, even Chelsea fans are upset there have been no new faces, yet it is not a level playing field and our limited income highlights the problems we face to attract the players we want whilst staying within FFP regulations and not asking MB to spunk even more millions.

To put it into some sort of perspective Aston Villa have spent more on transfers in the last week than we have in our entire History.!!!!!!

I think we have done pretty well in the transfer market in recent times and, in fact, rather than criticising the DoF's deserve some praise

Agree with all of that but at some point you also have to address the needs of the team. If you can go that within the model, great, but we can't go on indefinitely without the DM we badly need.

 

[rhbee]

Bogle went to Wigan in the end, didn't he?