Level Playing Field

[nathanbee]

Given that
a: We have a wage budget of only £13m and some have budgets in excess of £200m
b: A lot of talk about Liverpool almost winning the quadruple

Should we make it even harder for teams to achieve a clean sweep ? ... ie you really have to be truly exceptional both on and off the field and money should not be the defining factor.
I'm not in favour of a wage cap .... however, what if you had levels of subs allowed:
Wage Bill >£100m = 3 subs
Between £50m and £100m = 4 subs
<£50m = 5 subs.

So larger clubs would have to think and plan much harder re rotation of match day squads. Come the end of the season, smaller clubs may gain a small advantage of having more fitter and match sharp players at their disposal.

 

[BFC1997]

The great thing about football is that it’s the same rules for everyone. I don’t want that to change.

 

[davidccpigeons]

The great thing about football is that it’s the same rules for everyone. I don’t want that to change.

Should be a handicap system - or separate competition. Multiply points scored by £ spent.
MB might like to sponsor.

 

[AB]

Should be a handicap system - or separate competition. Multiply points scored by £ spent.

We’ll be champions for years to come unless Luton go up!

 

[hairman]

Given that
a: We have a wage budget of only £13m and some have budgets in excess of £200m
b: A lot of talk about Liverpool almost winning the quadruple

Should we make it even harder for teams to achieve a clean sweep ? ... ie you really have to be truly exceptional both on and off the field and money should not be the defining factor.
I'm not in favour of a wage cap .... however, what if you had levels of subs allowed:
Wage Bill >£100m = 3 subs
Between £50m and £100m = 4 subs
<£50m = 5 subs.

So larger clubs would have to think and plan much harder re rotation of match day squads. Come the end of the season, smaller clubs may gain a small advantage of having more fitter and match sharp players at their disposal.

The season ended just a week ago. Please have a rest.

 

[bexleybee]

I'm ready for the adjustable sloping pitch to be installed at the BCS. Level playing field be damned

 

[Sultan]

The great thing about football is that it’s the same rules for everyone. I don’t want that to change.

Football used to be the same rules for everyone, regardless of whether in a World Cup Final, the Premier League, League 2, Isthmian Premier, Combined Counties or Sunday League. As soon as technology got involved in the higher levels it no longer became a level playing field.

 

[Guildford Bee]

Given that
a: We have a wage budget of only £13m and some have budgets in excess of £200m
b: A lot of talk about Liverpool almost winning the quadruple

Should we make it even harder for teams to achieve a clean sweep ? ... ie you really have to be truly exceptional both on and off the field and money should not be the defining factor.
I'm not in favour of a wage cap .... however, what if you had levels of subs allowed:
Wage Bill >£100m = 3 subs
Between £50m and £100m = 4 subs
<£50m = 5 subs.

So larger clubs would have to think and plan much harder re rotation of match day squads. Come the end of the season, smaller clubs may gain a small advantage of having more fitter and match sharp players at their disposal.

No thanks. It's bad enough that Arsenal fans still think we only beat them on opening day because they had a couple of Covid cases without giving them another excuse. There are also all sorts of player welfare issues here, particularly during an age when they're playing too much as it is.

 

[BFC1997]

Football used to be the same rules for everyone, regardless of whether in a World Cup Final, the Premier League, League 2, Isthmian Premier, Combined Counties or Sunday League. As soon as technology got involved in the higher levels it no longer became a level playing field.

It’s still the same rules though?

And if a Sunday league team played a Premier League team in a one-off match, the rules would be the same for both teams.

 

[fallacy]

Given that
a: We have a wage budget of only £13m and some have budgets in excess of £200m
b: A lot of talk about Liverpool almost winning the quadruple

Should we make it even harder for teams to achieve a clean sweep ? ... ie you really have to be truly exceptional both on and off the field and money should not be the defining factor.
I'm not in favour of a wage cap .... however, what if you had levels of subs allowed:
Wage Bill >£100m = 3 subs
Between £50m and £100m = 4 subs
<£50m = 5 subs.

So larger clubs would have to think and plan much harder re rotation of match day squads. Come the end of the season, smaller clubs may gain a small advantage of having more fitter and match sharp players at their disposal.

Not sure where you're getting £13m from given our wage bill for 19/20 was £26m (according to Swiss Ramble's analysis) and would only have gone up since then.
Yet another figure plucked from thin air written as fact.

 

[Doovster]

Given that
a: We have a wage budget of only £13m and some have budgets in excess of £200m
b: A lot of talk about Liverpool almost winning the quadruple

Should we make it even harder for teams to achieve a clean sweep ? ... ie you really have to be truly exceptional both on and off the field and money should not be the defining factor.
I'm not in favour of a wage cap .... however, what if you had levels of subs allowed:
Wage Bill >£100m = 3 subs
Between £50m and £100m = 4 subs
<£50m = 5 subs.

So larger clubs would have to think and plan much harder re rotation of match day squads. Come the end of the season, smaller clubs may gain a small advantage of having more fitter and match sharp players at their disposal.

I understand your point and accept we had a smaller budget than most last season, but do you really think we had a playing budget of £13M?

 

[Vid]

I'm ready for the adjustable sloping pitch to be installed at the BCS. Level playing field be damned

Ah yes I remember Yeovil. Whatever happened to them ?

 

[nathanbee]

Not sure where you're getting £13m from given our wage bill for 19/20 was £26m (according to Swiss Ramble's analysis) and would only have gone up since then.
Yet another figure plucked from thin air written as fact.

It was on a chart used towards the end of the season. Even if it was transposed and should read £31m, still leaves a massive gap between top and bottom of the resources scale.
anyway, when it comes to a good argument, the absence of facts or the misuse of data is an absolute prerequisite ?

 

[JCMcBee]

....no such thing as a 'level' playing field.... it's all about recognising this....and adapting....BFC have done extraordinarily well in this respect....as I did once upon a time too....medium fast right arm over the wicket....on many a cabbage patch.

 

[Comic Book Guy]

You work with what you got and the parameters(Financial and otherwise)that work for your club and MB and company have done a fantastic, fantastic job of doing that with this season. Will we ever be able to be like Man City, Liverpool, etc and go out and splash millions and millions of dollars on top notch players? No. But what we can do is do prudent business to get players that work best for how we do things and players the fans can be proud of.

So far, I say we are doing just that and it will only get better from here.

?

 

[Sandybee]

It’s still the same rules though?

And if a Sunday league team played a Premier League team in a one-off match, the rules would be the same for both teams.

There’s not too many Sunday teams that could get 5 subs in the first place!

 

[beesbees_bfc]

There’s not too many Sunday teams that could get 5 subs in the first place!

And they’d actually need to get six because one would need to run the line.

 

[ruislip bee]

There’s not too many Sunday teams that could get 5 subs in the first place!

At least 1 would have to run the line!

 

[horshambees]

Given that
a: We have a wage budget of only £13m and some have budgets in excess of £200m
b: A lot of talk about Liverpool almost winning the quadruple

Should we make it even harder for teams to achieve a clean sweep ? ... ie you really have to be truly exceptional both on and off the field and money should not be the defining factor.
I'm not in favour of a wage cap .... however, what if you had levels of subs allowed:
Wage Bill >£100m = 3 subs
Between £50m and £100m = 4 subs
<£50m = 5 subs.

So larger clubs would have to think and plan much harder re rotation of match day squads. Come the end of the season, smaller clubs may gain a small advantage of having more fitter and match sharp players at their disposal.

Where do you get 13 million from?

 

[nathanbee]

Where do you get 13 million from?

Someone stuck up a chart a few weeks ago. I wasted 3 mins of my life trying to search for it again ..... It may have been rubbish but the reality being top clubs wages are probably approaching 10x higher than ours.

 

[rebus]

Someone stuck up a chart a few weeks ago. I wasted 3 mins of my life trying to search for it again ..... It may have been rubbish but the reality being top clubs wages are probably approaching 10x higher than ours.

It is rubbish. However, we're doing very well pound per point and I expect that to continue next season.

 

[upnorthbee]

Winning is so much sweeter when we defy the odds. So a no from me

 

[StevieSteve]

Someone stuck up a chart a few weeks ago. I wasted 3 mins of my life trying to search for it again ..... It may have been rubbish but the reality being top clubs wages are probably approaching 10x higher than ours.

IIRC it was based on the last published accounts so on our Championship levels of expenses and our circumstances have changed since then.

 

[Herbert]

The great thing about football is that it’s the same rules for everyone. I don’t want that to change.

If the rules were that everyone had the same size squad, the same amount of money to spend, the same everything wouldnt that make football here more even and exciting ?

Its doable with the money that's on the game.

Would also mean clubs are kept afloat

 

[Herbert]

If the rules were that everyone had the same size squad, the same amount of money to spend, the same wages for all, the same everything, wouldnt that make football here more even and exciting ?

Its doable with the money that's on the game.

Would also mean clubs are kept afloat

 

[BFC1997]

If the rules were that everyone had the same size squad, the same amount of money to spend, the same everything wouldnt that make football here more even and exciting ?

Its doable with the money that's on the game.

Would also mean clubs are kept afloat

No it would make it more boring

 

[Herbert]

No it would make it more boring

You reckon ?

 

[AB]

If the rules were that everyone had the same size squad, the same amount of money to spend, the same everything wouldnt that make football here more even and exciting ?

Its doable with the money that's on the game.

Would also mean clubs are kept afloat

By everyone who do you mean? Just the PL, the PL and EFL, the PL, EFL and National League? Further down still?

If it is just the PL it’d even it up to an extent but maintain a big cliff edge with the EFL and the EFL itself would need to operate similar systems to prevent relegated clubs being able to spend at their PL level. Setting the right levels for each division would be somewhat arbitrary. Player contracts would probably become much shorter for most players and transfer fees would drop overall. The money in the game would likely shift to individual player endorsements so high profile clubs with lots of global fans would still have a big advantage as Nike would offer Toney £50m if playing for Man U but £5m if he’s turning out for Brentford.

It could even things up somewhat at PL level, as it does in US sports but while there they may have more teams who can win the Superbowl with a couple of good years work they don’t have 50+ teams who’ve all had a go at the competition.

 

[Herbert]

By everyone who do you mean? Just the PL, the PL and EFL, the PL, EFL and National League? Further down still?

If it is just the PL it’d even it up to an extent but maintain a big cliff edge with the EFL and the EFL itself would need to operate similar systems to prevent relegated clubs being able to spend at their PL level. Setting the right levels for each division would be somewhat arbitrary. Player contracts would probably become much shorter for most players and transfer fees would drop overall. The money in the game would likely shift to individual player endorsements so high profile clubs with lots of global fans would still have a big advantage as Nike would offer Toney £50m if playing for Man U but £5m if he’s turning out for Brentford.

It could even things up somewhat at PL level, as it does in US sports but while there they may have more teams who can win the Superbowl with a couple of good years work they don’t have 50+ teams who’ve all had a go at the competition.

I mean across the board. Through put the football league. Every level has its limits that each club sticks too. Theres Elmore than enough money to do it.

Why would a players contract become shorter if every player in the division was earning the same money ?

Transfer fees dropping wouldnt be a bad thing if everyone is given the same money every year to balance the books and given a certain amount to spend.

It's a level playing field , and success would purely be on merit.

Our game wouldnt have to change, comparing it american way of sports is crap.

Its just a thought on how I reckon our game could improve, make it a more fair and level playing field, and keep clubs from going under.
None of it's goingto happen, just a thought

 

[aawharris]

Given that
a: We have a wage budget of only £13m and some have budgets in excess of £200m
b: A lot of talk about Liverpool almost winning the quadruple

Should we make it even harder for teams to achieve a clean sweep ? ... ie you really have to be truly exceptional both on and off the field and money should not be the defining factor.
I'm not in favour of a wage cap .... however, what if you had levels of subs allowed:
Wage Bill >£100m = 3 subs
Between £50m and £100m = 4 subs
<£50m = 5 subs.

So larger clubs would have to think and plan much harder re rotation of match day squads. Come the end of the season, smaller clubs may gain a small advantage of having more fitter and match sharp players at their disposal.

That would be almost like asking Head coaches to be......managers?

 

[AB]

I mean across the board. Through put the football league. Every level has its limits that each club sticks too. Theres Elmore than enough money to do it.

Why would a players contract become shorter if every player in the division was earning the same money ?

Transfer fees dropping wouldnt be a bad thing if everyone is given the same money every year to balance the books and given a certain amount to spend.

It's a level playing field , and success would purely be on merit.

Our game wouldnt have to change, comparing it american way of sports is crap.

Its just a thought on how I reckon our game could improve, make it a more fair and level playing field, and keep clubs from going under.
None of it's goingto happen, just a thought

Contracts would have less value to clubs other than for key players and tying yourself to a player long term would be risky rather than a way of preserving value. A load of players at big clubs would have to be sold immediately and take much lower wages elsewhere. Clubs who have budgeted on current rules would suddenly find their plans ripped up. It’d probably be good for us and clubs like Accrington but lead to chaos for a lot of others who would become unable to service their debts. Maybe in theory after a few years it’d level things up but the transition would be painful for a load of clubs.

 

[horshambees]

Someone stuck up a chart a few weeks ago. I wasted 3 mins of my life trying to search for it again ..... It may have been rubbish but the reality being top clubs wages are probably approaching 10x higher than ours.

It's a bit more than 13 million,but the lowest in the league I understand.
We have done remarkably well with the budget and shown many clubs that they could copy us and still do well rather than us trying to emulate them.
Man.City are the highest payers followed by Chelsea and Utd.
I guess.
I don't think we need looking after with a tweak of the rules,but decent refereeing would not go amiss please.

 

[ruislip bee]

That would be almost like asking Head coaches to be......managers?

No, no one would be mad enough to try that surely?

 

[Hungerford Bee]

Very interesting update on Twitter from @SwissRamble this morning.

Summary: We are brilliant! Wages and player amortisation combined when compared to points gained puts us miles ahead

 

[GABS]

Very interesting update on Twitter from @SwissRamble this morning.

Summary: We are brilliant! Wages and player amortisation combined when compared to points gained puts us miles ahead

Just saw that myself, look forward to next year's one though as this update has championship data, I think?

 

[SH]

Very interesting update on Twitter from @SwissRamble this morning.

Summary: We are brilliant! Wages and player amortisation combined when compared to points gained puts us miles ahead

Here’s the link for those who don’t twitter:

Thread by @SwissRamble on Thread Reader App

@SwissRamble: In football money often talks, i.e. success on the pitch is almost invariably reserved for clubs that have spent the most on wages and transfer fees. However, it might be interesting to see which clubs...…

threadreaderapp.com

 

[Darren J]

Shocking performance from Everton on a wage bill (£183m) that's nearer to Spurs and Arsenal's than Brighton and Southampton's.