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Being controversial (and I haven't yet found anyone who agrees with me!!), I still think that an ideal foil for Marcus Bean in midfield would have been the player who Scott released to sign for Wycombe!!

I always felt that if Mousinho had had the chance to properly develop in a defensive central midfield role, he'd have been more productive than most other players we've had in that position. Unfortunately, his spell under the preferred playing style of Peter Taylor probably hasn't helped him much either.
 

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Didn't realise Marcus had clocked up 5 bookings already (though knew he was near) so we definitely need to loan someone for CM, and keep whoever it is as competition for the mid-term, as we have less cover for there than anywhere else IMHO
 

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dont need to replace him just for the one game, play Kev and Osbourne in centre mid if Hunt is not fit
 

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hanworthbee said:
dont need to replace him just for the one game, play Kev and Osbourne in centre mid if Hunt is not fit
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Has Osborne (note no U) ever played centre mid before?

I would have thought there were plenty of options before we go to that one:idea:
 

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I think he'd do a good job if given instructions to get about them, if not then Saunders could do a job but we definately dont need to get in a loanee for one game
 

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we have weakened the central midfield from last season as the likes of halls, pead and poole were probably better emergency back up compared to what we have now
 

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centrebacks dont often make good central midfielders - remember the awful pettigrew experiments a few years back ?
 

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Travel Tavern Bee said:
Central Midfield was weak last year but we muddled through , still cannot believe we did not strengthen in this area.:(
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We muddled through ha ha. Marcus Bean was outstanding last year.
 

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condorman said:
we have weakened the central midfield from last season as the likes of halls, pead and poole were probably better emergency back up compared to what we have now
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Sorry, but I cannot believe that you would really want to see Craig Pead still at the club :confused:
 

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The way AS is playing players out of position this season I wouldn't be surprised to see Charlie Mac at centre half, Alan Bennett Centre Forward and Ryan Blake as Centre Midfield? We are well in to October and still we are searching for our best formation and indeed our best starting 11? :confused::sad:
 

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Ghost said:
Sorry, but I cannot believe that you would really want to see Craig Pead still at the club :confused:
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i didnt say that. i said he was better back up to our central three than we have available now - pead was MOM at wycombe away last season playing centre mid for example.

quite happy he has gone - particularly given his injury ! - but we were always a suspension and injury away from a problem to cover two central midfield places.

again this is not a problem is we sign a loanee or if saunders can fill the gap.
 

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HertfordBee said:
Being controversial (and I haven't yet found anyone who agrees with me!!), I still think that an ideal foil for Marcus Bean in midfield would have been the player who Scott released to sign for Wycombe!!

I always felt that if Mousinho had had the chance to properly develop in a defensive central midfield role, he'd have been more productive than most other players we've had in that position. Unfortunately, his spell under the preferred playing style of Peter Taylor probably hasn't helped him much either.
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Don't agree, Marcus is a much better version of Mous, good defensively but likes to storm forward, what Marcus needs is a creative, ball player who can pick his passes.
I'd be looking at what Magilton decides he doesn't need down the road.......
 

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condorman said:
i didnt say that. i said he was better back up to our central three than we have available now - pead was MOM at wycombe away last season playing centre mid for example.

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Well considering that we don't at present have any obvious back up....sadly I'd have to agree.
 

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cant see him doing very well in centre mid either.
 

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hanworthbee said:
dont need to replace him just for the one game, play Kev and Osbourne in centre mid if Hunt is not fit
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one slight problem here. Osborne cannot pass the ball very well. Other than that it's a tactical masterstroke.
 

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MarkyBee recently stated during one of his commentrys that he'd like to see Wilson ain CM. I tend to agree. Best to try it against one of the weaker sides (Stockport) to see how it goes. My 2 central defenders would be Phillips and Osborne with Bennett or legge bench warming. Preferably Bennett as Legge has done no wrong.
 

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we could do worse than wilson at cm BUT are again playing him out of position when we need his pace at the back. we will be too deep with him and kev in CM too - wilson would be a better foil to a bean or a hunt who get forward more.

Wilson at CB alongside someone else. phillips doesnt deserve to be dropped but if AS wont drop bennett then i'd prefer wilson to phillips simply because of the pace thing - because it IS a major factor in this league.

i'd favour saunders above wilson in CM to be honest - but ideally we need to bring someone in.
 

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wayfarer172 said:
MarkyBee recently stated during one of his commentrys that he'd like to see Wilson ain CM. I tend to agree. Best to try it against one of the weaker sides (Stockport) to see how it goes. My 2 central defenders would be Phillips and Osborne with Bennett or legge bench warming. Preferably Bennett as Legge has done no wrong.
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I agree with all the above, and if Wilson did well I'd have him alongside Bean in future matches.
 

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When Karleigh Osborne was starting to come through under Martin Allen, i do remeber him playing centre midfield, and scored a cracking goal in friendly against Leyton Orient. Just a thought
 

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Heard rumours we are looking to get the beach ball on loan to play up front
 

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The Pipe said:
Heard rumours we are looking to get the beach ball on loan to play up front
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No point

a) it would be booked for entering the field of play without permission
b) the goal should never have stood as it was clearly in an offside position
 

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markbfc said:
Forget it. He's probably on three times what our highest player in on currently. There are 3000 other footballers to choose from.
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Do we often pay all the wages for loan players then?
 

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JTofBFC said:
Do we often pay all the wages for loan players then?
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While there may be 3000 others to sign, there's no doubt that Tabb would be pretty near the top of the list but realistically, why would someone with something to prove in the Championship take a drop to a club he left a few years back?

Bad career move for Tabb - can't see it happening even if we wanted it to.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
While there may be 3000 others to sign, there's no doubt that Tabb would be pretty near the top of the list but realistically, why would someone with something to prove in the Championship take a drop to a club he left a few years back?

Bad career move for Tabb - can't see it happening even if we wanted it to.
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no idea what Brendan Rogers is doing, but after another defeat, Tabb must be in the reckoning to come back into their squad..?

With regards him coming to us, I don't see why not, managers are funny old species, I can't see him letting him go to another Championship side as he won't be guaranteed a start, and if he does start to perform well, it will leave Rogers with egg on his face. So a drop down a division, to a place he knows well and is comfortable with, could give him the spark he needs.

Obviously we can't afford him so it doesn't matter :)
 

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maddogging said:
no idea what Brendan Rogers is doing, but after another defeat, Tabb must be in the reckoning to come back into their squad..?

With regards him coming to us, I don't see why not, managers are funny old species, I can't see him letting him go to another Championship side as he won't be guaranteed a start, and if he does start to perform well, it will leave Rogers with egg on his face. So a drop down a division, to a place he knows well and is comfortable with, could give him the spark he needs.

Obviously we can't afford him so it doesn't matter :)
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I don't think Tabb would want tocome down a division though, if this continues he'll be looking to move on in January
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
While there may be 3000 others to sign, there's no doubt that Tabb would be pretty near the top of the list but realistically, why would someone with something to prove in the Championship take a drop to a club he left a few years back?

Bad career move for Tabb - can't see it happening even if we wanted it to.
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If Rodgers carries on his excellent work so far he will be taking the drop anyway
 

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North London Bee said:
Absolutely correct but this has not stopped other clubs managing to get their deals done.

You can't say that Mooney or Dickson or even Vernon would not have stenghened us and they have all gone out on loan.
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Vernon has just been crocked.
Out for 6 weeks and sent back by Gillingham as not fir for purpose.
 

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JTofBFC said:
Do we often pay all the wages for loan players then?
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It's all in the relationship between clubs and and how keen the Manager loaning out is for the player to get first team experience in front of crowds as opposed to fairly sterile games mid week games in front of scouts.
 

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Only 5 of our current squad have played at this or a higher level for any period of time. Two of those, Cort and Kabba, are old pro's on the way down. That leaves O'Connor, Bean and Taylor. Only Bean looks capable of dominating or providing some much needed on-field leadership.

We are desperate for a few experienced, quality players to join and give the team a serious boost. Without this, a team made up mainly of players from lower divisions, honest though they maybe, will struggle to survive in this league.
 

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bonafidebee said:
Only 5 of our current squad have played at this or a higher level for any period of time. Two of those, Cort and Kabba, are old pro's on the way down. That leaves O'Connor, Bean and Taylor. Only Bean looks capable of dominating or providing some much needed on-field leadership.

We are desperate for a few experienced, quality players to join and give the team a serious boost. Without this, a team made up mainly of players from lower divisions, honest though they maybe, will struggle to survive in this league.
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You've left out Phillips, who played for Millwall for a few years, and Price, who has games at higher levels.

You could add Bennett, who played for Southampton in The Championship, and when Cork were in the Champions League.

I'm not sure experience is the problem.
 

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West Ealing Bee said:
You've left out Phillips, who played for Millwall for a few years, and Price, who has games at higher levels.

You could add Bennett, who played for Southampton in The Championship, and when Cork were in the Champions League.

I'm not sure experience is the problem.
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I have little knowledge of the Irish League but how does Cork compare to our levels? I would guess they would be an average League 1 club
 

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Ghost said:
I have little knowledge of the Irish League but how does Cork compare to our levels? I would guess they would be an average League 1 club
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No idea.

But there are a few players who have come out of that league playing Championship football at least.

As I said, I'm not sure a lack of experience is our problem.
 

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West Ealing Bee said:
You've left out Phillips, who played for Millwall for a few years, and Price, who has games at higher levels.

You could add Bennett, who played for Southampton in The Championship, and when Cork were in the Champions League.

I'm not sure experience is the problem.
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Did Dickson play many games for the Pilgrims?
 

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West Ealing Bee said:
You've left out Phillips, who played for Millwall for a few years, and Price, who has games at higher levels.

You could add Bennett, who played for Southampton in The Championship, and when Cork were in the Champions League.

I'm not sure experience is the problem.
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Phillips played 67 games over 6 years, which doesn't make him that experienced in my book, similarly Price. Bennett played 10 games for Southampton and Cork, who are probably about League 1 level. All are therefore barely beyond novice, despite the length or their careers.

The other point I made was higher quality, which is also part of the problem. None of these have enough of that either.
 

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bonafidebee said:
Phillips played 67 games over 6 years, which doesn't make him that experienced in my book, similarly Price. Bennett played 10 games for Southampton and Cork, who are probably about League 1 level. All are therefore barely beyond novice, despite the length or their careers.

The other point I made was higher quality, which is also part of the problem. None of these have enough of that either.
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Price was first choice, if not ever-present, for Ipswich in the Championship in 06/07 and started over half their games in 05/06. Phillips played around half Millwall's games in the Championship in 04/05 & 05/06.

I'm sure there are some, but how often do we sign players with that amount of Championship experience who aren't in the twilight of their careers?

Experienced Championship players are only going to come to a League One club a) on loan if they're out of favour (as opposed to young hopefuls being given run outs, who by definition aren't experienced) or b) once they can no longer cut it at that level. You can't build a team entirely from the two.

I'd say Price is a) but becoming b) and Bean, Cort & Kabba b). Dickson and Bennett never became established Championship players.
 
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