Managers (bit worrying)

[ladbroke]

In the past 10 years (July 98-July 08) we have had just 2 managers that have lasted more than 100 competitive matches.

Ron Noades and Martin Allen! (although Wally Downes came close with 97)

It also includes temp managers, but we've also had 11 managers in that time too. In that time, the 11 managers have all averaged at managing just over 49 games each.

On that basis, we can only see AS being here for another 22 competitive games!!

 

[rebus]

The facts of life for a manager in League Two is simple and I'm sure AS understands this.

If you perform, expect opportunities higher up - if you don't, the sack beckons...

 

[PrincessBee]

yeah but they were all rubbish tho.

 

[PrincessBee]

The facts of life for a manager in League Two is simple and I'm sure AS understands this.

If you perform, expect opportunities higher up - if you don't, the sack beckons...

which surely implies the 5 year contract is a sham?

 

[ladbroke]

The facts of life for a manager in League Two is simple and I'm sure AS understands this.

If you perform, expect opportunities higher up - if you don't, the sack beckons...

But surely, even if things go wrong - clubs should stick with some managers to get some stability going. Did Gradi always perform well at Crewe?

 

[i love brentford]

AS will leave in 3 years...... brentford get to the premier league and AS goes

 

[Les Beeavinu]

AS will leave in 3 years...... brentford get to the premier league and AS goes

I'd best clear my diary and get my coaching badges then.

 

[rebus]

which surely implies the 5 year contract is a sham?

Far from it; it protects both parties should either situation arise.

But surely, even if things go wrong - clubs should stick with some managers to get some stability going. Did Gradi always perform well at Crewe?

Perhaps the club should have got the appointments right in the first place?

Unfortunately the world is a more impatient place than it was when Dario Gradi joined Crewe and expectations were zero.

 

[PrincessBee]

Far from it; it protects both parties should either situation arise.

well yes, in that sense, but in the sense of being a commitment to stability, your comment would render it meaningless.

 

[Paul O'Brien]

Tell you what, we were lucky. Imagine if Leroy, Scott and TB had all stayed for more than 100 games!

And just outside the 10 years scale, we could have had Eddie May and Micky Adams for the 100 as well!

 

[Sandhurstbee]

I'd best clear my diary and get my coaching badges then.

No rush for the Coaching badges Les, Premiershite will give you special dispensation to get a Managers job over those who have gone the `Proper way` and got there badges first

 

[toeneebee]

How long will De Matteo last a MK Dons he appears to have all his coaching badges having been a coach for six years. Is his appointment a blunder or smart bit of business? I think a blunder!

 

[ladbroke]

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No rush for the Coaching badges Les, Premiershite will give you special dispensation to get a Managers job over those who have gone the `Proper way` and got there badges first

I actually think the badges are a waste of time..

You can learn more from experience (i.e. Ince) than from a classroom. We (country we, not Bees we) have had great managers in the past that didn't need to sit in a classroom and be told by boffins how to manage a team. If they were so good at lecturing these managers to be, then why are they not out there managing?
I agree that coaches should have some sort of qualifications, but in this league, the managers rarely actually train the players, the manage the team.

 

[toeneebee]

Bill Dodgin, Fred Callagher were excellent coaches and I'm sure especially Bill Dodgin didn't have a coaching badge as they probably weren't invented. Bill Dodgins way was entertaining and good old fashioned pass and move football. Long Live Bill Dodgin and Fred Callaghan

 

[Gee Bee]

How long will De Matteo last a MK Dons he appears to have all his coaching badges having been a coach for six years.

No he hasn't he has only just taken his "A" badge and will then go on to his pro license. He's been running his restaurant for 6 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/milton_keynes_dons/7487469.stm

 

[rebus]

well yes, in that sense, but in the sense of being a commitment to stability, your comment would render it meaningless.

It's still a five year deal. You called it a sham. The evidence suggests otherwise. A lot of employment contracts have clauses like this written in.

The lucky ones are footballers where their contract length and terms are protected, no matter how badly they perform.

 

[toeneebee]

No he hasn't he has only just taken his "A" badge and will then go on to his pro license. He's been running his restaurant for 6 years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/milton_keynes_dons/7487469.stm

Thanks Gee Bee just as I thought a blunder I should think he would last until the end of October and then struggle with life in Division One. His celebrity status won't do him any good and I think MK dons want instant success!

 

[sgaz]

The lucky ones are footballers where their contract length and terms are protected, no matter how badly they perform.

Cor - can you imagine

At the end of the relegation season just sack the whole lot of the useless eeejits for being crap

If only.........

 

[PrincessBee]

It's still a five year deal. You called it a sham. The evidence suggests otherwise. A lot of employment contracts have clauses like this written in.

The lucky ones are footballers where their contract length and terms are protected, no matter how badly they perform.

what i said was, if your comment about how AS understands how it all works, and in a couple of years he'll either be fired or leave, and he's fine with that was true, then it's a sham.

if it aint, then maybe it isn't.

saying 'oh he's there for 5 years yada yada', and at the same time saying 'in a couple of years he'll go one way or the other' is completely incongrous to me that's all.

i don't care if it's a sham or not as long as we don't lose from it financially, which i trust we wont, but it's either meant as a long term commitment, or it's meant as a safety net for both parties when the apparently inevitable happens - i don't see how it can be both?

 

[MetalBee]

I actually think the badges are a waste of time..

You can learn more from experience (i.e. Ince) than from a classroom. We (country we, not Bees we) have had great managers in the past that didn't need to sit in a classroom and be told by boffins how to manage a team. If they were so good at lecturing these managers to be, then why are they not out there managing?
I agree that coaches should have some sort of qualifications, but in this league, the managers rarely actually train the players, the manage the team.

You're correct but I think the point he was saying about is why have the rules that you need certain qualifications to do a job yet once someone without said qualifications gets a job and applies for dispensation they get granted.

Makes it all fairly pointless really.

 

[Claire]

Good players dont nessersarily mean good managers or coaches though

 

[Wise old Bee]

These coaching badges are just courses. It's not like they have to pass an exam or anything, they just have to turn up. Bit like the fire safety and manual handling courses that we have to go to at my office.

 

[DavidgRushden]

Bill Dodgin, Fred Callagher were excellent coaches and I'm sure especially Bill Dodgin didn't have a coaching badge as they probably weren't invented. Bill Dodgins way was entertaining and good old fashioned pass and move football. Long Live Bill Dodgin and Fred Callaghan

Spot on. Bill Dodgin not only knew how to organise and motivate his players, but would also mix with the supporters before a match, especially took time to talk to youngsters who he knew were the future fan base for the club.

 

[Mr Cynical]

I'd best clear my diary and get my coaching badges then.

You'll have to do more than that. There's a very long list of very important criteria which you musn't have before you can be considered for the post...

 

[Westlad]

which surely implies the 5 year contract is a sham?

it means the club think it's more likely Scott will go to a bigger club who'll pay us compensation in the next five years than get sacked (even though those in the know tell us about the structure of the contract)

 

[Mr Cynical]

well yes, in that sense, but in the sense of being a commitment to stability, your comment would render it meaningless.

I think more than anything else it was intended to LOOK like a commitment to stability and to Andy Scott himself after the previous 3 disastrous appointments and the criticism that surrounded the promotion of AS to caretaker when Butcher departed..

 

[PrincessBee]

i sound like i'm really stupid all the time don't i?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

You sound anything but stupid.

 

[PrincessBee]

You sound anything but stupid.

hebetudinous?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

hebetudinous?

If you were, would you have used that word?

 

[PrincessBee]

maybe. give it 5 minutes and half a dozen posters will explain it to me.

 

[Mr Cynical]

i sound like i'm really stupid all the time don't i?

No, I don't think so.. I was agreeing with you.. The length of the contract was all about appearances rather than any substance IMHO...

 

[Banana]

How long will De Matteo last a MK Dons he appears to have all his coaching badges having been a coach for six years. Is his appointment a blunder or smart bit of business? I think a blunder!

Do you play tennis?
Do you have any celebrity friends?
Do you have a wife so that my wife has something to do during the day?
Can we book in your social diary dinner parties at our place for the next few months?
Can I stay with you and our wives in the hotel whenever you go to award ceremonies?

Enough for some people!

 

[toeneebee]

Do you play tennis?
Do you have any celebrity friends?
Do you have a wife so that my wife has something to do during the day?
Can we book in your social diary dinner parties at our place for the next few months?
Can I stay with you and our wives in the hotel whenever you go to award ceremonies?

Enough for some people!

rofl LOL You forgot the shopping trips and the need to start a fashion business!

 

[Stanley]

These coaching badges are just courses. It's not like they have to pass an exam or anything, they just have to turn up. Bit like the fire safety and manual handling courses that we have to go to at my office.

Not so

There is a thorough assessment process and as you go higher up the levels the failure rates increase.

The lack of decent coaching skills at all levels in the game was well demonstrated at the Euro champs when nations the size of Wales were playing football that England can only dream of.

The national attitude to "coaching" is well summed up by our own youth set up at BFC to be honest.

I recall the days of Bill Dodgin with great fondness but the world has moved on.

As for the Mongs the appointment of De Matteo is bizarre and I hope they fall flat on their faces.

 

[Mr Cynical]

Do you play tennis?
Do you have any celebrity friends?
Do you have a wife so that my wife has something to do during the day?
Can we book in your social diary dinner parties at our place for the next few months?
Can I stay with you and our wives in the hotel whenever you go to award ceremonies?

Enough for some people!

I hardly think we're in a position to take the mickey out of another club's selection process!!!

 

[Edmundo]

rofl LOL You forgot the shopping trips and the need to start a fashion business!

I hardly think we're in a position to take the mickey out of another club's selection process!!!

Whoooosh!

What (or who) is the common factor in the appointments of Roberto di Matteo and Terry Butcher?

 

[Mr Cynical]

Whoooosh!

What (or who) is the common factor in the appointments of Roberto di Matteo and Terry Butcher?

BeeH?? :scratch:

 

[abee]

Do you play tennis?
Do you have any celebrity friends?
Do you have a wife so that my wife has something to do during the day?
Can we book in your social diary dinner parties at our place for the next few months?
Can I stay with you and our wives in the hotel whenever you go to award ceremonies?

Enough for some people!

lol lol lol

If it doesn't work out and neither of us is up to the challenge can we resign together?

 

[macsalisbee]

Whoooosh!

What (or who) is the common factor in the appointments of Roberto di Matteo and Terry Butcher?

They are regarded as football'celebs'-media interest guaranteed and supposedly arriving with that magic ingredient............CONTACTS......

 

[Edmundo]

BeeH?? :scratch:

:no:

They are regarded as football'celebs'-media interest guaranteed and supposedly arriving with that magic ingredient............CONTACTS......

:no:

Keep trying. lol

 

[macsalisbee]

:no:

:no:

Keep trying. lol

It wasnt you was it?

 

[abee]

It wasnt you was it?

Don't sweat the small stuff