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Mast Madness

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but yet more antennae have been erected at GP, this time on Ealing Rd/New Rd Pylon.

However this is the new TETRA mask. This is supposed to be more dangerous than normal mobile phone dishes/antennae . Its used by the Police and some officers are set to sue the force as it is making them ill.

Can the club/Bees Utd tell us;

1) How many antennae there are?( Next time you are at GP just look at the pylons)

2)Where the beams hit the ground?

3)Have they measured the amount of radiation reaching the stands?

Should a community club not warn the fans of the radiation danger, especially children who are more susceptible to it?

Indeed should a community club irradiate the community?

Does anyone care anymore?
 

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haywarc said:
it's a bit late to worry about this after all you have to be mad etc etc
:D :D :D
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I know its not a very responsible attitude but at least its at
at the away end.
Perhaps the club could provide decontamination showers or just get the fans to use the gp toilets as the germs in there will kill anything if the smell is any sort of guide.I am sure if we all try hard we can blame RN for this somehow.
 

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I can't imagine that spending 2 hours in the vicinity of these masts every two weeks will cause anybody to suffer and ill effects. Also, the club needs the money these companies pay to place their masts at GP.

Local residents in the Ealing Road flats might have reason to worry, however...

Shame we can't up the supposed radiation doses when certain away teams visit GP, eh?! :D rofl
 

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The beams come to ground 50-200 m from the antennae, so the away end may well be safer. Shouldn't someone check though?

I thought we were supposed to be a community club. Aren't the residents of Ealing Road part of the community?

There are special rules for antennae near schools. If we want to attract families then perhaps we should follow them.

Noone, not even the phone operators, claim the systems are safe for everyone. Why put them on a place where 6,000 people gather. Why not put the police antennae on the old station house in Brentford?
 

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Where are you getting your facts from solobee?

A year-long investigation into the emission levels around mobile phone base stations sited near schools has found no evidence that safety guidelines are being broken.

In most cases, the amount of radiation detected was many thousands of times less than the maximum levels permitted under the guidelines for public safety. Engineers from the Radiocommunications Agency (RA) surveyed a total of 100 schools across the UK
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So stop posting alarmist crap. Next you'll be saying that they're trying to build a third runway at Heathrow!
 

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Clearly the jury is still out. Holding a microwave next to your head can't be good for you. Then again people complain about the lack of reception on mobile phones, but don't want a mast in their back yard.

An research would take years and I can't see people volunteering for research studies where they have to stand next to a potentialy carcinogenic source.
 

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Who gives a flying f$c£??

Is this the Griffin Park Moan site??
 

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I'm for more antennae. I want to see the floodlight pylons covered in money making opportunites. In fact, let's erect more pylons to take the antennae.
 

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Greenholme Bee said:
Who gives a flying f$c£??

Is this the Griffin Park Moan site??
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Too right.

Get real solobee, you are surrounded by base and repeater stations. In Brentford, they are (at least) on the M4 above Carville Park and I would bet every tall commercial building has either a repeater or microwave point to point antenna on it. There are at least three base stations on the BT building by Chiswick roundabout.
There's even a base station overlooking the new Lionel Road site, so no escape there then! It's a fact of life, or do we all stop using mobile communications tomorrow?

If you want to avoid them (almost impossible) go to the sitefinder pages, as Alex says, at http://www.radio.gov.uk/ this lists the commercial locations, but God knows what the military have got.
 
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These new antennae are of the Tetra type. They are different from the usual mobile phone antennae.

Tetra operates at higher powers and over a wider range of carrier frequencies. Its basic repetition rate is 17.6 Hz, a frequency similar to that of human beta brainwaves.

Police officers in Lancashire are set to sue their Chief Constable as the claim system is unsafe.

We are a supposed to be a community club. Did we consult the community?
 

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:zzzzz:
 

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Don't the Bees get money for putting up these phone masts, surely that's a good thing? They don't bother me.
 

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solobee said:
We are a supposed to be a community club. Did we consult the community?
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Is this the same community that have blocked every plan that the club have put forward in the past to try and get a roof put on the Ealing Road end?

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 

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From the National Radiological Protection Board

The NRPB report concluded that, "Although areas of uncertainty remain about the biological effects of low level RF radiation in general, including modulated signals, current evidence suggests that it is unlikely that the special features of the signals from TETRA mobile terminals and repeaters pose a hazard to health."
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From the Home Office


Results from the Dstl study indicate that TETRA signals have no effect on calcium exchanges in cells - the main concern that had been raised in the Stewart report.

We have also confirmed that Airwave equipment fully conforms with health and safety guidelines. Hands-free kits in particular transmit very little energy into the head and body of users.

If at any point an adverse effect is found, the Home Office will immediately make the information available and take appropriate action.
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From the Radiocommunications Agency

The Radiocommunications Agency web site of the Department of Trade and Industry has performed initial measurements for two Airwave base stations in Lancashire. Power levels were less than a fraction of international guidelines. In the worst case measured, the power level was well below 1/1000 of the recommended maximum.
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Therefore, until there is proof of a risk I don't see why the club should raise unnecessary concerns with its neighbours.
 

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Let's radiate the bastards who won't let us put a roof on the Ealing Road end!!!! More antennae, more irradiation, more money to spend on cancelled golf-day invoices, or better still options to use non-league grounds next season. If we carry on leaking cash like this we need more antennae.

I reckon we should start donate-a-cat day, we can sell these to Hertfordshire Life Sciences. We need the money to give to Woking and Kingstonian who must look at the cheques, laugh, and thank their lucky stars!
 
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Banana said:

I reckon we should start donate-a-cat day, we can sell these to Hertfordshire Life Sciences.
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rofl lol
(even though you did mean Huntington Life Sciences)
 

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Yes. But it's late!

and Huntingdon IS in Hertfordshire isn't it?
 

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(Dooooooo 'ave an avatar!)

Banana said:
I'm for more antennae. I want to see the floodlight pylons covered in money making opportunites. In fact, let's erect more pylons to take the antennae.
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Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Yeah!, and then attach windmills to 'em to power the lights!!
 

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solobee said:
These new antennae are of the Tetra type. They are different from the usual mobile phone antennae.

Tetra operates at higher powers and over a wider range of carrier frequencies. Its basic repetition rate is 17.6 Hz, a frequency similar to that of human beta brainwaves.

Police officers in Lancashire are set to sue their Chief Constable as the claim system is unsafe.

We are a supposed to be a community club. Did we consult the community?
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I'm having trouble making the connection between “brain” and “police”. Can someone please enlighten me?

rofl :D rofl
 

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Nigel, the evidence from the NRPB is hardly conclusive.Terms such as evidence "suggests" and that it is "unlikely" that any damage is caused are hardly rigourous.

I do not accept your assumption that until any damage is proven we are OK. That flies in the face of the Stewart report.

I don't want to go over old ground, but I had understood the local community had been very helpful on the planning application.

Let us not forget either that it was the Brentford community that voted in an ABeeC councillor.

The local community support the club. For some reason people speak of residents/community/Brentford fans as different groups. They are not, they are essentially the same.
 

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blimey this is getting heavy, lets put it into perspective there's probably more chance of us being wiped out by a 747 crashing into GP than being fried by radiation :eek: :eek:

As for long term affects, what's long term about our tenure at GP?
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It must be the silly season :D :D :D
 

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solobee said:
Nigel, the evidence from the NRPB is hardly conclusive.Terms such as evidence "suggests" and that it is "unlikely" that any damage is caused are hardly rigourous.

I do not accept your assumption that until any damage is proven we are OK. That flies in the face of the Stewart report.

I don't want to go over old ground, but I had understood the local community had been very helpful on the planning application.

Let us not forget either that it was the Brentford community that voted in an ABeeC councillor.

The local community support the club. For some reason people speak of residents/community/Brentford fans as different groups. They are not, they are essentially the same.
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But why single out the club?

Have you actually checked the number and type of antenna located on commercial buildings and in 'public' open spaces?

Selective reading of my post I'm afraid.

As I posted the Home Office have stated

Results from the Dstl study indicate that TETRA signals have no effect on calcium exchanges in cells - the main concern that had been raised in the Stewart report.

We have also confirmed that Airwave equipment fully conforms with health and safety guidelines. Hands-free kits in particular transmit very little energy into the head and body of users.

If at any point an adverse effect is found, the Home Office will immediately make the information available and take appropriate action.
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As I said in my post above.
Therefore, until there is proof of a risk I don't see why the club should raise unnecessary concerns with its neighbours.
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We could of course, if you wish adopt a 'tabloid' approach and ask the club to issue a statement to the effect that "Club denies intent to polute environment". This would no doubt reassure some but raise the issue and cause panic among those who never realised there was a problem.

Meanwhile, back to football.
 

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Just to lighten this a bit

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Bees are meant to have antenna!!:) :)
 

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Banana said:
I'm for more antennae. I want to see the floodlight pylons covered in money making opportunites. In fact, let's erect more pylons to take the antennae.
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I think they are restricted as to where the can put them as I am sure they cant put them to close to the road due to a law that says wait for it ..........all erections on a public highway must be iluminated....
Ok its not really relevant but it made me laugh when it was in my head
 

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I dont really care as long as the bees are making the market rents from the deal.
I know of a few transactions for companies for radio sites in rural locations, and the radio people were being charged between £3-5,000 per annum. However as stated elsewhere, there are alot of tall buildings in the area, hence the telephone operators could go elsewhere to put their masts up if we charge too much.

sorry for rambling, just another slight on the discussions
 
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