Matthew Benham

[Ashford Bees]

IMO we should be inserting matthew benhams name in the Sammy Saunders song too!!

Does the Lord of Benham indulge in the spray tan booth?

 

[gbems92]

I think inserting his name into the marcus gayle song would cheer him up

 

[Billy Hunt]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickBruz...2?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Nick's now written a piece trying to explain what he meant on Friday. He's now dropped the idea that if we carry on playing as we are then we'll be in the Ryman League in 3 years (I'm guessing because, on reflection, that made him look mental). It seems his main gripe is about the club's media operation.

Still mental. :no:
Seems to have contracted the same desire to find fault (ANY fault will do) with the club that a few others display.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

Bad weather in that teacup again..........

Who is Nick Bruzon and why does anyone care what he thinks?

 

[grutter]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickBruz...2?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Nick's now written a piece trying to explain what he meant on Friday. He's now dropped the idea that if we carry on playing as we are then we'll be in the Ryman League in 3 years (I'm guessing because, on reflection, that made him look mental). It seems his main gripe is about the club's media operation.

I've read it and actually think it's a fair point criticising the media and marketing operations of the club, although this has little to do with yesterday's rant. I can't believe any regular fans go to the club's website for up to date info and there have been too many either inadequate or ill-timed statements from the club in recent months. I'm not suggesting the club try and beat twitter to the punch with everything, as there are clearly formalities to go through. There have been too many cock ups this season though, from the pitch, the silence of the club on bids, Jota's loan out through to the decision to release the statement about JT an hour before the game. It's a 1980's operation in a digital, media savvy age. The media training I went on years ago always said get your side of the story out early, before others come to their own conclusions. Good advice.

 

[kendo]

I think inserting his name into the marcus gayle song would cheer him up

YES!!

best post of thread!

 

[hitchinb]

That's 20 minutes of my life I won't get back again, wasted reading last few pointless pages with saddoes trying to pick fights with others who couldn't find anything better to do on a sunday afternoon.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickBruz...2?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Nick's now written a piece trying to explain what he meant on Friday. He's now dropped the idea that if we carry on playing as we are then we'll be in the Ryman League in 3 years (I'm guessing because, on reflection, that made him look mental). It seems his main gripe is about the club's media operation.

A lot of back tracking there.

Talks a lot of c**p and needs to jog on up to Rangers with all the other MW lovers.

 

[Herbert]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickBruz...2?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Nick's now written a piece trying to explain what he meant on Friday. He's now dropped the idea that if we carry on playing as we are then we'll be in the Ryman League in 3 years (I'm guessing because, on reflection, that made him look mental). It seems his main gripe is about the club's media operation.

So because of the clubs poor media operations , we will be in the ryman ? How does he link that together ? Tit

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Still mental. :no:
Seems to have contracted the same desire to find fault (ANY fault will do) with the club that a few others display.

Story with many of our fan base at the minute Billy. Like we said on the Woods thread there is a significant drop in posting since Preston................................... A win and all the bed wetters go quiet.

 

[jlove]

I've read it...

So have I... although I'm not sure what it's about. It seems to be Social Media compared with the Club only able to make an official announcement once the player registration has been completed; not difficult to understand, is it? I hadn't realised Toumani had such a big fan club!

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

So because of the clubs poor media operations , we will be in the ryman ? How does he link that together ? Tit

Because hes clueless. Prob one of them that thinks MB is selling all the players from last year to make a quick buck.

 

[King Bee]

A lot of back tracking there.

Talks a lot of c**p and needs to jog on up to Rangers with all the other MW lovers.

Nick's alright although in hindsight he'll regret writing both articles. In fact the second is even more regrettable than the first since by virtue of being a programme contributor he is very much part of the PR machine he has just lambasted. I wouldn't be very pleased if I was Chris Wickham...

 

[IslandBee]

If they could logically and clearly explain why they feel disenfranchised it would help. .

Sometimes emotion gets in the way of clear, logical argument, particularly for those who feel their voice is not heard.

 

[badgerbee]

IMO we should be inserting matthew benhams name in the Sammy Saunders song too!!

Not sure why my MB song (to the tune of the SS song) has never caught on:

"Oh Matthew Benham
And your Development Squad,
Oh Matthew Benham,
A true Bees demi-god!!
Oh Matthew Benham,
Without you where would we be??!!

Oh Matthew Benham,
So different to Ron Noades,
Oh Matthew Benham,
You bought us Lionel Road!!
Oh Matthew Benham,
Without you where would we be??!!"

 

[IslandBee]

I wasn't picking on you - honest - but more contrasting the call for PR with the constant stream of negativity that comes from some quarters. While I really don't think "official" PR would achieve anything except be picked over ("I think he really means... and back to my own agenda") by the naysayers, I do agree that some more friends in addition to Sean Ingle would help to counter the drip-drip-drip that feeds the ignorant. It is much better to have positivity from "independent observers" than press releases.

No worries, I didn't feel picked upon. I've been on here a long time now; I'm used to how it works! What you say about 'friends in addition to Sean Ingle' is precisely and completely what I mean; that would be one very important objective of a long-term media strategy.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

A disciple is a follower or pupil of a teacher, leader, or philosopher. It is neither snide or a dig at anyone. I am surprised you might think it so.

In this description it is a put down by some very bitter people.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

A lot of back tracking there.

Talks a lot of c**p and needs to jog on up to Rangers with all the other MW lovers.

lol

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Nick's alright although in hindsight he'll regret writing both articles. In fact the second is even more regrettable than the first since by virtue of being a programme contributor he is very much part of the PR machine he has just lambasted. I wouldn't be very pleased if I was Chris Wickham...

He prob is ok...................... But those 2 articles make him sound very bitter and foolish............... The 2nd is a complete back track and like you say hes slating a section of the club that he very much involved with lol

 

[IslandBee]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickBruz...2?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Nick's now written a piece trying to explain what he meant on Friday. He's now dropped the idea that if we carry on playing as we are then we'll be in the Ryman League in 3 years (I'm guessing because, on reflection, that made him look mental). It seems his main gripe is about the club's media operation.

It's pretty scatter gun stuff, and I think the complaints about playing staff are completely unreasonable, but this guy doesn't seem like an offensive media troll and I don't think it is helpful just to dismiss what people like him are saying about the club drifting away from them. There is a tension here that won't go away and, while I think the club is trying to manage it, I still think more could be done.

 

[moribee]

Bad weather in that teacup again..........

Who is Nick Bruzon and why does anyone care what he thinks?

Writes well and gives his opinion.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

It's pretty scatter gun stuff, and I think the complaints about playing staff are completely unreasonable, but this guy doesn't seem like an offensive media troll and I don't think it is helpful just to dismiss what people like him are saying about the club drifting away from them. There is a tension here that won't go away and, while I think the club is trying to manage it, I still think more could be done.

There's a fairly simple answer in my opinion. Get on board of get off the f****** bus. Nobody is forcing people to support the club. If they don't like what's happening then why bother.
I'm sorry but I have just about had enough of all the whinging and carping, the why did sack that nice Mr Warburton ( we didn't), why are we selling off our best players? (were not or at least not by choice), why haven't we spent money in January? ( because what's available is not for us or overpriced). It just goes round and round like a bloody merry-go-round. People offer explanations and then more stupid comments follow.

 

[FlyBee]

The whole Bruzon article was just so he could use that cringey headline.

 

[Doovster]

Certain people definitely have it in for Crown, Rasmus and Giles.

They seem fair game and are subject to a lot of p1ss taking type behaviour. Yes, I accept that Cliff is not the best in front of a camera, and Devlin is a better public spokesman for the club.

What really annoys me though is the same people who often dig out Crown, Rasmus and Giles, then add the caveat that they're not having a pop at MB and really appreciate everything MB has done for the club. Well the reality is all three of the aforementioned are appointed and trusted by MB and by constantly digging and making snide remarks about them you are digging MB out at the same time because he has put them in charge of key aspects of the club.

 

[FlyBee]

Certain people definitely have it in for Crown, Rasmus and Giles.

They seem fair game and are subject to a lot of p1ss taking type behaviour. Yes, I accept that Cliff is not the best in front of a camera, and Devlin is a better public spokesman for the club.

What really annoys me though is the same people who often dig out Crown, Rasmus and Giles, then add the caveat that they're not having a pop at MB and really appreciate everything MB has done for the club. Well the reality is all three of the aforementioned are appointed and trusted by MB and by constantly digging and making snide remarks about them you are digging MB out at the same time because he has put them in charge of key aspects of the club.

Agree.

 

[PJ]

Got through the 1st couple of paragraphs of Nick Bruzon's linked piece and gave up.

FFS the form Toums was in (and i love the guy) i'd have taken 60k and freed up the 18 months of wages we were committed to. It's a win win deal ffs

 

[westy]

Got through the 1st couple of paragraphs of Nick Bruzon's linked piece and gave up.

FFS the form Toums was in (and i love the guy) i'd have taken 60k and freed up the 18 months of wages we were committed to. It's a win win deal ffs

I know and this was the player who was odds on to get released at the end of the promotion season.
F@@king unreal!
Loved Toums, but not that bothered about him being sold.

I think you'll find at the start of next season we will have pretty much a new squad for Dean Smith to work with.
I think this is needed to move forward again.

 

[Edmundo]

Why does he think the club isn't trying to get it right? That last sentence is bizarre imho.

 

[JTofBFC]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

 

[Chorlton Bee]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

What a brilliant post, stick it on the log in screen, make people tick a box to acknowledge they've read it before being allowed to post.

Salutes!!

 

[BURFORD BEE]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

I don't think its possible to put it any better than this.

 

[westy]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

Great post.

 

[IslandBee]

Nobody is forcing people to support the club. If they don't like what's happening then why bother.
.

I'm not sure supporting a football club works like that. I would like to keep as many on the bus as possible, particularly those who have been on it a for long time, and I don't think it would take that much to achieve this.

 

[motherwell bee]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

magnificent perfectly said

 

[WarrenBee]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

Hard to argue with any of that. Great post

 

[ZX Bee]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

Great post. Only criticism is it's a bit long. I have attention issues. Thicko alert

 

[beefy]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

Thank you for posting this and spending the time to put it so thoughtfully. I agree with this completely

 

[dbee3]

Great post. Only criticism is it's a bit long. I have attention issues.

Skip forward to the last five paragraphs/lines in that case. Some very salient points made in there, and for some to just brush off this sustained and unjust criticism (from some quarters) of MB as banter and that he'll be laughing along with it all will want to be correct. The alternative simply doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Great post. Only criticism is it's a bit long. I have attention issues. Thicko alert

lol GPG never happy.

 

[Banana]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

You only get 140 characters on Twitter.

 

[JTofBFC]

You only get 140 characters on Twitter.

TFFT

 

[ruislip bee]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

Excellent post. Thank you. Please do read it all that don't understand!

 

[kendo]

This whole thread confuses me or at least the concept of it does, it seems to me that those (including seemingly erudite and longstanding and prominent fans) who are publicly expressing their concern are bothered about the direction things are going either on the pitch or off the pitch or both. I tend to agree with those that suggest that off the field there has been a lot of change . We are a much more 'corporate type' outfit now and thus less fan orientated. That is natural as you go up the league pyramid and get more professional people to run various operations of the club . It is easy to be critical of any and every aspect of marketing , communications etc just because it isn't the way it ''used to be done' . Get used to it is the obvious response. On the pitch , anyone worried about our performances this season needs to consider their expectations. They are either too high, eg they think we should be play offs or better every year or if they accept that mid table or even a bit lower is far from a disaster they need to acknowledge that. A mid table finish isn't a consistent ride with 7 points every month. What it in fact is, is a season full of ups and downs, players leaving, players staying, players coming in but not always at the optimum time, some poor results , some poor performances and some good ones mixed in. It isn't a smooth ride but I get the distinct impression that for some, their ability to mentally negotiate these ups and downs and convert it in their reasoning to an acceptable season is lacking.

To me it is fairly straightforward.:

In our current stadium and with our FFP budget we are punching well above our weight.
There has never been any real concern of failure this season but when a glint this might happen appeared the club took decisive action (MD)
We are between a rock and a hard place when it comes to negotiating contracts to either keep or buy well regarded UK based players. We do our best but it's not a level playing field. .
Agents are playing us off against clubs with much more financial clout and bigger resources than we will ever have. That's life.
Despite the fact we have lost several key UK players and we will lose more we are still attracting quality replacements from home.and abroad that will become next years transfer gossip, eg Woods, Colin,
It's not easy out there for a club of our size yet despite huge misfortune this year with injuries, personal issues eg Jota, pitch issues, management screw ups, player tantrums etc, we are still 10th in one of the most competitive leagues in the world.
I doubt we will go up this year oreven scrape into the play offs and to an extent I don't care.

What I do care about however is the potential, for those short termist fans with a big voice who seem to be unable to grasp how well we are doing in the historic scheme of things to **** things up for all of us by getting on the wick of the person who has created this current state of affairs and who unless I am mistaken is for us the only show in town.

If you really are worried enough about Benham and the way the club is being run to air your concerns in a public forum be it the GPG, his Twitter, your Twitter, his facebook, your facebook, Cliff Crowns or whatever, just ask yourself this first. Where would we actually be without Benham ? Even if you want to go back to that small town mentality do you really think the rest of us do.

Seems to me the biggest risk to our current astonishing progress is the stupidity of our own fans and their capacity to fail to recognise a good thing when it slaps them in the face.

If we are capable of the sort of unswerving hatred as a fan Group that I have seen recently towards the unspoken one ;(Tarcashki) then we are capable,of much more destructive action towards the club.

Think on.

Yes yes yes but what about the onions....?

 

[the brentforder]

You do realise that these "twitter bellends" have more of an agenda against Ankerson and not Benham

 

[Les Beeavinu]

You do realise that these "twitter bellends" have more of an agenda against Ankerson and not Benham

And Cliff Crown. And FCM. And stats and too many foreigners. But not Benham. His money is lovely.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

We need these cool cats to keep us all on edge, they are so dug into their stance that I think they have to keep it going now to save face, what they want exactly is unclear. At least Nick Bruzon tried to clear up his mess but failed.

 

[Doovster]

You do realise that these "twitter bellends" have more of an agenda against Ankerson and not Benham

But by going after Rasmus they are effectively going after Benham. Who appointed Rasmus into his DOF role, ah let me think....

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

We need these cool cats to keep us all on edge, they are so dug into their stance that I think they have to keep it going now to save face, what they want exactly is unclear. At least Nick Bruzon tried to clear up his mess but failed.

Too right which is why i suppose you see it go so quiet on here after we win at the minute................. All holding out for that next defeat to have a dig at all levels of the club.

Nick Bruzon must have read his dribble and even realised himself how awful and desperate it sounded. Shows the level of desperate negativity some have for the club at the minute. I find it strange how some are so far down that line and cant see anything positive about where we are at.

I was upset about MW, i was down about the start of this season, i was disappointed about the player sales, but in reality we've still never had it so good as a football club. My god i wonder how it must feel to be a Charlton fan, or maybe spare a thought for the Bolton fans who may never make it back to this level.

 

[jlove]

It's more that Rasmus epitomises everything that scares them, plus he's an easy target. He's foreign, part of FCM, knows about football, has a high-profile career outside the game, is very smart, has ambition and a pony tail... and is MB's friend. Everything they're not.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

But by going after Rasmus they are effectively going after Benham. Who appointed Rasmus into his DOF role, ah let me think....

MB, Rasmus, Giles and CC must have had an idea about the backlash from certain quarters.......................... What they couldn't legislate for i suppose would be the injury crisis, pitchgate, and a few players wanting out. We will rebuild and go again and i for one will think we will be stronger in the next 1-2 seasons for it. All the players here will have been signed to buy into the project. MB has built one great side and he will build us another one.