Matthew Benham

Matthew Benham

Matthew Benham

BYOBee said:
I see what you're saying and I can't defend what the DOFs have said in the past, as I'm not fully aware of all the facts at the time they said it. It may well be/have been the aim to get us to the premiership in 3 years. Maybe this season was always expected to be average to save some money, then we can go big in the summer. The comments from PG & RA may have been made in good faith, but with all the ridiculous injuries, managerial uncertainty and pitch disaster, it's all been scuppered. Equally, it could all be made up BS - the club have not handled comms well at all recently in my opinion so I wouldn't be too surprised. They may just be putting the message out there that we are soon to be premier league, so we appear more attractive to potential new signings? Who knows.

Or maybe we'll go up next year and they'll be proved right? Who knows.

No matter what the chat is on the GPG, no one knows what's really going on behind the scenes except for the chosen few who won't be on the forums everyday messing their pants about a couple of loses.

My point was simply that there really are too many emotional drama queens on here and that the grass isn't always greener. All of what you hear on the forums are just opinions and speculation. All of what you hear from the club will be biased. They have a specific message they want to get across and I'm sure they have their reasons. My post was just to say that I'm not worried at all about this season, next season or the one after that or the rest of my lifetime (probably!). We have a plan, it's not going to be instant success, but BFC are safe for the long term. Take it or leave it, but it will take a lot more than a poor run against some very good teams to change my mind that we're not a club on the up.
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Oh gawd, I might have to order in extra laces for all the admirers likely to be sending you the love now. lol

Top post and you're right we'll be OK this year but it felt like we couldn't see the wood for the trees at the moment , you offer common sense, pop back more often.
 

Matthew Benham

BYOBee said:
I see what you're saying and I can't defend what the DOFs have said in the past, as I'm not fully aware of all the facts at the time they said it. It may well be/have been the aim to get us to the premiership in 3 years. Maybe this season was always expected to be average to save some money, then we can go big in the summer. The comments from PG & RA may have been made in good faith, but with all the ridiculous injuries, managerial uncertainty and pitch disaster, it's all been scuppered. Equally, it could all be made up BS - the club have not handled comms well at all recently in my opinion so I wouldn't be too surprised. They may just be putting the message out there that we are soon to be premier league, so we appear more attractive to potential new signings? Who knows.

Or maybe we'll go up next year and they'll be proved right? Who knows.

No matter what the chat is on the GPG, no one knows what's really going on behind the scenes except for the chosen few who won't be on the forums everyday messing their pants about a couple of loses.

My point was simply that there really are too many emotional drama queens on here and that the grass isn't always greener. All of what you hear on the forums are just opinions and speculation. All of what you hear from the club will be biased. They have a specific message they want to get across and I'm sure they have their reasons. My post was just to say that I'm not worried at all about this season, next season or the one after that or the rest of my lifetime (probably!). We have a plan, it's not going to be instant success, but BFC are safe for the long term. Take it or leave it, but it will take a lot more than a poor run against some very good teams to change my mind that we're not a club on the up.
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Prem by 2020, LR by mid 2018 and digging will commence around May/June time I reckon. In the meantime, we'll win some, lose some and draw some, and we'll play as attractive a brand of football as we can at each stage with whatever personnel we've managed to muster. There will be plenty of short term blips like now, but our trajectory will be positive.
 

Matthew Benham

sonofabee said:
Oh gawd, I might have to order in extra laces for all the admirers likely to be sending you the love now. lol

Top post and you're right we'll be OK this year but it felt like we couldn't see the wood for the trees at the moment , you offer common sense, pop back more often.
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Yeah thanks sonofabee. There is a reason I decided to post a couple of things today, as normally it's just depressing reading on the forums these days, but something had to be said after our fans' attitude yesterday.
After the third goal went in yesterday, was quite possibly my most embarrassing moment of being a Bees fan. By the time I managed to get my head out of my hands, I looked around and about 75% of bees 'fans' were heading for the exit. I really have never seen anything like it and quite frankly was disgusted. How different it would have been if Carson hadn't pulled off that Button-esque save a few seconds beforehand. Those are the fine margins that everyone is having a breakdown over.
 

Matthew Benham

BYOBee said:
Yeah thanks sonofabee. There is a reason I decided to post a couple of things today, as normally it's just depressing reading on the forums these days, but something had to be said after our fans' attitude yesterday.
After the third goal went in yesterday, was quite possibly my most embarrassing moment of being a Bees fan. By the time I managed to get my head out of my hands, I looked around and about 75% of bees 'fans' were heading for the exit. I really have never seen anything like it and quite frankly was disgusted. How different it would have been if Carson hadn't pulled off that Button-esque save a few seconds beforehand. Those are the fine margins that everyone is having a breakdown over.
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It was a fantastic save and after that disappointment what followed really broke most Bees hearts......the sight of Fat boy milking the applause after calmly slotting their third.I hate Martin but he's possibly the best finisher in this division and I'd love to see in a specially designed wide striped Bees kit.
 

Matthew Benham

If you can keep your head whilst all around you are losing theirs and blaming it on you....
 

Matthew Benham

BYOBee said:
After the third goal went in yesterday, was quite possibly my most embarrassing moment of being a Bees fan. By the time I managed to get my head out of my hands, I looked around and about 75% of bees 'fans' were heading for the exit. I really have never seen anything like it and quite frankly was disgusted. How different it would have been if Carson hadn't pulled off that Button-esque save a few seconds beforehand. Those are the fine margins that everyone is having a breakdown over.
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So sad at this...some of these people should know better...not all were 'new bre tford'
 

Matthew Benham

Herbert said:
It won't change in we won't be spending millions and millions all over the place. We will still be looking to mainly get in players with potential that will gain profit for the a Club.
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Yes, like 89 other English league clubs (the second bit that is).
 

Matthew Benham

Benhams master plan has a major kink and it's we are now are competing with the big boys and those with the big bucks. Even if Bournemouth or let's say Watford or Palace come down at some point, we are fighting a real battle. I do still believe we are the next big success story but it may still take time. But I waited my entire bees supporting life for that promotion in 2014 and I'm sure more loyal and long in the teeth fans than myself are still pinching themselves over last season. The hope will kill me but unlike John Cleese I can deal with the despair.
 

Matthew Benham

Adam said:
Yes, like 89 other English league clubs (the second bit that is).
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Not really, Most clubs are are ahead of us in terms of set up, fan base, stadium, income, and still massively living/spending beyond their means. We are trying to do it more within our means which means we have to be smarter in our approach ie players. There aren't many clubs trying to make themselves self sustainable like we are. It's still very early days in the Grande scene of things out owner has planned
 

Matthew Benham

sonofabee said:
It was a fantastic save and after that disappointment what followed really broke most Bees hearts......the sight of Fat boy milking the applause after calmly slotting their third.I hate Martin but he's possibly the best finisher in this division and I'd love to see in a specially designed wide striped Bees kit.
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He was brilliant against us first half last season, the way he got his body in the way of everything and it was a cushioned header, control and lay off to a team mate, strength and control every time the ball went forward. i said to my 11 year old that if Gray could do half of what Martin could do with his back to goal he would play for England one day. It was at that stage when Gray wanted the ball played through for a one on one every time and if the pass wasn't perfect his bottom lip came out and if the ball came to his feet he tried to swivel and turn every time. I think he started to learn towards the end of the season there is more to being a forwards then being put through for one on ones, it requires work, determination, strength and the ability to show, take and hold the ball for other players. Not sure he has really got the ability to do this and that is why he will probably be inconsistent his entire career because he can't have a bad run and still be an asset (imo). However, Martin does let himself down by being a cheating, diving ****.
 

Matthew Benham

Hamburger Hill said:
So sad at this...some of these people should know better...not all were 'new bre tford'
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I am not new Brentford but I left. We threw the kitchen sink at them and then the sucker punch, I just thought the game has gone and lets get on the motorway before the rush and get home at a reasonable time for once. As it turned out the whistle went before we had got to the stairs but I am not embarrassed or ashamed to have tried to get out of dodge before I got stuck behind the usual 1000 people who either can't walk properly, won't walk properly who are to busy talking or clapping to get out of the way and spend 15 minutes strolling out of the Braemar courtyard.
 

Matthew Benham

mhead bee said:
He was brilliant against us first half last season, the way he got his body in the way of everything and it was a cushioned header, control and lay off to a team mate, strength and control every time the ball went forward. i said to my 11 year old that if Gray could do half of what Martin could do with his back to goal he would play for England one day. It was at that stage when Gray wanted the ball played through for a one on one every time and if the pass wasn't perfect his bottom lip came out and if the ball came to his feet he tried to swivel and turn every time. I think he started to learn towards the end of the season there is more to being a forwards then being put through for one on ones, it requires work, determination, strength and the ability to show, take and hold the ball for other players. Not sure he has really got the ability to do this and that is why he will probably be inconsistent his entire career because he can't have a bad run and still be an asset (imo). However, Martin does let himself down by being a cheating, diving ****.
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100% creep but great player at this level
 

Matthew Benham

BYOBee said:
Yeah thanks sonofabee. There is a reason I decided to post a couple of things today, as normally it's just depressing reading on the forums these days, but something had to be said after our fans' attitude yesterday.
After the third goal went in yesterday, was quite possibly my most embarrassing moment of being a Bees fan. By the time I managed to get my head out of my hands, I looked around and about 75% of bees 'fans' were heading for the exit. I really have never seen anything like it and quite frankly was disgusted. How different it would have been if Carson hadn't pulled off that Button-esque save a few seconds beforehand. Those are the fine margins that everyone is having a breakdown over.
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I respect that you didnt like it.......................... But that doesnt even come close for me................. I left when it went in as the game was gone, cant stand fat boy milking it on our patch, plus i was so p****d off with the gutless last 12 minutes.

If people want to leave early then that is their choice.
 

Matthew Benham

moribee said:
Thanks Adam.
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Hobbsy makes a good point. It suited MW's agenda to position a siesmic shift occurring a year ago but the truth is that it was a planned step in a continuum. If you go back and read what was said at the time, you can see this; it just got lost in the "manager sacking" noise.

It's reasonably clear that PG, in his position at Smartodds, was providing the input, probably via MB, to much of the recruitment. You can't believe Jota's agent, for example, was a mate of FMcP. RA came with FCM and would have provided input, again probably via MB. It's not unreasonable to deduce that the appointments as DsOF just formalised an existing position. In effect, a smooth transition and not the about-turn imagined by many.
 

Matthew Benham

jlove said:
Hobbsy makes a good point. It suited MW's agenda to position a siesmic shift occurring a year ago but the truth is that it was a planned step in a continuum. If you go back and read what was said at the time, you can see this; it just got lost in the "manager sacking" noise.

It's reasonably clear that PG, in his position at Smartodds, was providing the input, probably via MB, to much of the recruitment. You can't believe Jota's agent, for example, was a mate of FMcP. RA came with FCM and would have provided input, again probably via MB. It's not unreasonable to deduce that the appointments as DsOF just formalised an existing position. In effect, a smooth transition and not the about-turn imagined by many.
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Thanks for clarification
 

Matthew Benham

BYOBee said:
Yeah thanks sonofabee. There is a reason I decided to post a couple of things today, as normally it's just depressing reading on the forums these days, but something had to be said after our fans' attitude yesterday.
After the third goal went in yesterday, was quite possibly my most embarrassing moment of being a Bees fan. By the time I managed to get my head out of my hands, I looked around and about 75% of bees 'fans' were heading for the exit. I really have never seen anything like it and quite frankly was disgusted. How different it would have been if Carson hadn't pulled off that Button-esque save a few seconds beforehand. Those are the fine margins that everyone is having a breakdown over.
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I'm as pro Benham as they come but I wouldn't read too much into the mass exodus after the third goal. I hold my hands up to leaving after the third goal as I thought the overall performance was pretty sh1t and just felt a bit p1ssed off about the performance and our current level of play. To me in the heat of the moment it's understandable that people would head for the exits as that was effectively game over and I believe the ref pretty much blew the whistle thereafter anyway.

The key for me is to be able to step back from the current short term sh1t, and even the most RTB of which I'm one, has to admit that the side we are currently watching is as poor a side as we've seen for a few years. However, by taking a step back I can see that this season will hopefully prove to be a massive learning curve for MB & Co and I'm confident in their ability to iron out the things that have gone wrong which will hopefully make us even stronger in the long term. I also recall from memory MB or one of the DOFs acknowledging that we are taking risks which may or may not work. If the risks taken didn't work then they would reassess everything and go again.

I think for all those that are really p1ssed off just relax, accept things are a bit sh1t right now, and remember in MB we have a man with a vision and the ambition to meet our long term dreams. Give MB a break as well, as to my mind this is the first difficult period we have endured under his tenure which must now be getting on for 5/6 years. I think the bloke deserves to be given some time and respect before we all put the boot in.
 

Matthew Benham

Doovster said:
I'm as pro Benham as they come but I wouldn't read too much into the mass exodus after the third goal. I hold my hands up to leaving after the third goal as I thought the overall performance was pretty sh1t and just felt a bit p1ssed off about the performance and our current level of play. To me in the heat of the moment it's understandable that people would head for the exits as that was effectively game over and I believe the ref pretty much blew the whistle thereafter anyway.

The key for me is to be able to step back from the current short term sh1t, and even the most RTB of which I'm one, has to admit that the side we are currently watching is as poor a side as we've seen for a few years. However, by taking a step back I can see that this season will hopefully prove to be a massive learning curve for MB & Co and I'm confident in their ability to iron out the things that have gone wrong which will hopefully make us even stronger in the long term. I also recall from memory MB or one of the DOFs acknowledging that we are taking risks which may or may not work. If the risks taken didn't work then they would reassess everything and go again.

I think for all those that are really p1ssed off just relax, accept things are a bit sh1t right now, and remember in MB we have a man with a vision and the ambition to meet our long term dreams. Give MB a break as well, as to my mind this is the first difficult period we have endured under his tenure which must now be getting on for 5/6 years. I think the bloke deserves to be given some time and respect before we all put the boot in.
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Too true, even being at the bottom of the form table were still punching above our weight in abit of a carcrash of a season and im still positive of a decent points tally (not in a relegation battle). We have some money in the bank, we skipped january for obvious reasons and no doubt will look to put the puzzle together in the summer and hopefullt by then dean will have a clear picture of the sort of players we need and the ones we dont need and thrn we go again with hopefully a stable ans reliable bunch.
 

Matthew Benham

NorthamptonBee said:
Vibe is not good enough, I told anyone that would listen before Josh had played for us that he's as weak as sh!te, that performance at Preston and v Leeds at home convinced me that he's got something special about him but since then he's been a bit sh*t and that double save from Button was IMO down to him losing another 80/20 in his favour and leaving us exposed, any player than is that fearful of tackling will never tackle IMO, KK is really worrying, we all know that but he was got on by our own fans from the first whistle yesterday and that ironic cheer when he finally touched the ball was sh*t IMO, just what we don't need at the moment, I did shout out at Vibe in that first half and asked him to hold the fecking ball up for a fecking change and sadly I have given up on him donks ago, even more sadly he's our best option up front, Marco comes on and runs about and you think he's on it today but he never gets near the ball and the few times he does his control is breath taking, not in a good way, we will stay up and you will look a right div for your thread yesterday:sorted:, I'm looking forward to feeling under pressure about our next few games, it keeps you alive, I hope.:sorted:
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god bless you ;)
 

Matthew Benham

mhead bee said:
I am not new Brentford but I left. We threw the kitchen sink at them and then the sucker punch, I just thought the game has gone and lets get on the motorway before the rush and get home at a reasonable time for once. As it turned out the whistle went before we had got to the stairs but I am not embarrassed or ashamed to have tried to get out of dodge before I got stuck behind the usual 1000 people who either can't walk properly, won't walk properly who are to busy talking or clapping to get out of the way and spend 15 minutes strolling out of the Braemar courtyard.
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im agreeing with you here (alert the authorities !!).....some of our fans need to learn how to fkin walk out of a stadium rather than thinking its a nice sunday stroll by the river.....get marching and get out of the way you plebs lol
 

Matthew Benham

Voice from the Braemar said:
im agreeing with you here (alert the authorities !!).....some of our fans need to learn how to fkin walk out of a stadium rather than thinking its a nice sunday stroll by the river.....get marching and get out of the way you plebs lol
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Yes, we're the brisk walkers, there's a pub to get to and only 7 hours of the day leftlol
 

Matthew Benham

BYOBee said:
How different it would have been if Carson hadn't pulled off that Button-esque save a few seconds beforehand. Those are the fine margins that everyone is having a breakdown over.
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he didn't save it, Butterfield cleared it of the line, I was right behind the goal... :(
 

Matthew Benham

bees66 said:
he didn't save it, Butterfield cleared it of the line, I was right behind the goal... :(
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So was I and I thought Carson saved it ?
 

Matthew Benham

Matthew Benham

Herbert said:
So was I and I thought Carson saved it ?
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If it was a save he's got very strong wrists........ as it ended up almost on the half way line!!!!!
As others have said, it was cleared by the defender (I was also on ER, and confirmed it watching the highlights......)
 

Matthew Benham

BeeJames said:
Well yeah. Which makes it all the more ridiculous that people are attacking the only person able to get us round that financial conundrum, at great cost to himself.
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Good read,Thankyou. But again would rather these people concentrate on my club .
 

Matthew Benham

Matthew Benham

I read somewhere (GWL I think) that Dean Smith has been given pretty much the final say on transfers
 

Matthew Benham

hanworthbee said:
that would be a come down as Warburton left because of that reason
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You think so? I believe it was much more complex than that, it's just that it was an easy one to trot out in the sympathy stakes.
 
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