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Holysmit
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It would depend if it was on a wage cut then yes I would as I see him as a good player to win the ball and hold it up but we can't afford to carry paying him on the wages he's currently on. Is it possible to put in only if he takes a wage cut?
Sweepy
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Yeah, but he would have to accept VASTLY reduced terms, so we can afford a first teamer to replace him with.
Stick the trolley on the bench.
Stick the trolley on the bench.
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homerbees
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keep him, he should reduce his salary hopefully because he was crap his first 2 years at the club.
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You have to be joking surely.
Without Vine we will be crying out for somebody next year who can put the ball in the net. McCammon can't do that. There must be a thousand out of work strikers who could do a better job for less money.
Fully expect him to be offered one mind you.
Without Vine we will be crying out for somebody next year who can put the ball in the net. McCammon can't do that. There must be a thousand out of work strikers who could do a better job for less money.
Fully expect him to be offered one mind you.
Sweepy
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JTofBFC said:Fully expect him to be offered one mind you.
Knowing the t'wat who runs the club, yes he will be offered a contract. After all he is far superior than those half a dozen losers who we failed to renew contracts for last year.
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homerbees
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homerbees
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Marky Mack, has basically kept us off the relegation zone this season. Without his goals we we be in the drop zone, seeing as constantine or peters have not scored. He has improved so much since even the start of the season we have gotta keep him he is a big target man and is now scoring goals.
he works his socks off too!!!
ill start you off on a SUPER SUPER MARK SUPER SUPER MARK SUPER SUPER MARK SUPER MARK..................
he works his socks off too!!!
ill start you off on a SUPER SUPER MARK SUPER SUPER MARK SUPER SUPER MARK SUPER MARK..................
McCammon
homerbees said:
Blimey,
Have you been on those Magic Mushrooms or something mate.
As you're talking about the "relegation zone" I assume you're talking about scoring in league games.
Perhaps you ought to note then that before he scored against Huddersfield last week, Marky Macs last league goal was against Stockport on October 26th.
I'd prefer to look at it another way.
If he had scored more goals, we might have been in the play off zone.
Now if you had been talking about Rowan Vine I would have agreed with you.
Balders Bee
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Mac's strike rate is poor there is no disguising that fact. However he has been responsible for creating a number of goals for other players this season, I reckon he's had around 8-9 direct assists which is almost a third of our goals total. If you put that together with his goals it doesn't look quite so bad.
If he would accept a contract at a reduced wage (assuming that he is one of our high earners) I would think he is definately worth keeping on for next season. I just get a feeling that he will leave us and go on to become a big success elsewhere as both Marcus Gayle & Bent did in recent years
If he would accept a contract at a reduced wage (assuming that he is one of our high earners) I would think he is definately worth keeping on for next season. I just get a feeling that he will leave us and go on to become a big success elsewhere as both Marcus Gayle & Bent did in recent years
PAZ
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homerbees said:
You're a big fan of Marky Mac and Jamie Fullarton... Are you a wind-up merchant? Or just a fan of the underdog?
Mark earns a decent wedge. He'll not be here next season. This is a pointless discussion.
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homerbees
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SUPER MACK HASNT SCORED SINCE STOCKPORT? b*ll*cks
He creates a lot and is a good target man.
I dont know about jamie fullarton being a good player, he is overated and his distribution is poor.
He creates a lot and is a good target man.
I dont know about jamie fullarton being a good player, he is overated and his distribution is poor.
Trandy
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I understand that if a player is reduced terms, he is then a free agent.
I reckon (my personal view) that he will be offered terms which fit in with the rest of the squad, and think he'd sign again, rather than be on the doll.
What do others think?
I reckon (my personal view) that he will be offered terms which fit in with the rest of the squad, and think he'd sign again, rather than be on the doll.
What do others think?
JBN
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Peters and Constantine have not played because of injury or attitude.
I wasn't there on Saturday but apparently Peters got a run out and Constantine started.
As for Macs goals keeping us out of relegation, he has scored 7 or 8. As a striker that is not a good strike rate. The partnership of Mac and Vine has scored about half the goals of Burgess and Owusu last season, that aside his work rate is very very high.
Sonko has managed 5 or 6 goals so far. Perhps we should be looking to move him up to the front line!
I wasn't there on Saturday but apparently Peters got a run out and Constantine started.
As for Macs goals keeping us out of relegation, he has scored 7 or 8. As a striker that is not a good strike rate. The partnership of Mac and Vine has scored about half the goals of Burgess and Owusu last season, that aside his work rate is very very high.
Sonko has managed 5 or 6 goals so far. Perhps we should be looking to move him up to the front line!
mhead bee
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JBN said:
constantine and peters have managed about 3 reserve goals betweem them all season...I expect to see both of them released in the summer!
wanderingbee
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Peters has 6 and Constantine 2 in the reserves. Rob Traynor had 5. I think that was before his4 pens in one game.
Mac had a lot to prove when he became first choice this season and as I have said, his work rate is fantastic but it is goals that make a striker and I don't think he can do it.
As for Peters and Constantine, they have had very limited first team experience. I think Wally missed a golden opportunity to play Peters against Cambridge in the LDV and give him vital first team experience. Mac had more run outs last season from the bench than the pair of them put together.
I'm not saying that they are the future, if they have no chance of playing, then get them out. But they could be next seasons Owusu and Burgess. Without playing them a bit more, we will never know.
Mac had a lot to prove when he became first choice this season and as I have said, his work rate is fantastic but it is goals that make a striker and I don't think he can do it.
As for Peters and Constantine, they have had very limited first team experience. I think Wally missed a golden opportunity to play Peters against Cambridge in the LDV and give him vital first team experience. Mac had more run outs last season from the bench than the pair of them put together.
I'm not saying that they are the future, if they have no chance of playing, then get them out. But they could be next seasons Owusu and Burgess. Without playing them a bit more, we will never know.
Paul O'Brien
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I seem to remember that after his superb debut season for us Lloyd had problems hitting the target until BBB joined us.
What we really need isn't a twisty Vine who beats people and scores occasionally - we need a knockdown merchant who puts in the half chances. On Saturday, we had four crosses in the last fifteen minutes that were asking to be buried but no one could do it.
Also, how many have the midfield scored? Scoring's about the whole team, not just a couple of players. Usually, a reasonably successful side in our division (ie playoffs, not champions) will have one striker with 22 or so in the league, another with about 14 and then the four midfield with 8, 6, 6 and 2, while the centre backs will have about 6 between them and the full backs 2. Add 5 or so from the subs bench, and you've 71 goals.
Generalisation, I know, but who's close to that rate apart from Sonko and Hunt?
What we really need isn't a twisty Vine who beats people and scores occasionally - we need a knockdown merchant who puts in the half chances. On Saturday, we had four crosses in the last fifteen minutes that were asking to be buried but no one could do it.
Also, how many have the midfield scored? Scoring's about the whole team, not just a couple of players. Usually, a reasonably successful side in our division (ie playoffs, not champions) will have one striker with 22 or so in the league, another with about 14 and then the four midfield with 8, 6, 6 and 2, while the centre backs will have about 6 between them and the full backs 2. Add 5 or so from the subs bench, and you've 71 goals.
Generalisation, I know, but who's close to that rate apart from Sonko and Hunt?
BeeReal
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The team looks so much better and more balanced with Mac in the side playing alongside Viney. There are many better forwards than Mac about but unfortunately not at Brentford. [excluding Viney here - and anyway different styles]
I'm not sure about Peters, although I'm not totally convinced with his reserve performances.
However, why anyone rates Constantine is beyond me. Deft flicks are not enough. He doesn't have Mac's speed, strength or ability in the air. Critically, his positioning is poor. And he never looks like scoring. 2 goals for the reserves in probably about 11 games! I'm frustrated when I see his name on the reserve team - let alone 1st team! We should be saving on his wages now.
Get behind Marky Mac now - he's the best we have.
I'm not sure about Peters, although I'm not totally convinced with his reserve performances.
However, why anyone rates Constantine is beyond me. Deft flicks are not enough. He doesn't have Mac's speed, strength or ability in the air. Critically, his positioning is poor. And he never looks like scoring. 2 goals for the reserves in probably about 11 games! I'm frustrated when I see his name on the reserve team - let alone 1st team! We should be saving on his wages now.
Get behind Marky Mac now - he's the best we have.
West Ealing Bee
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If McCammon was willing to fit in with the wage structure I would offer him a contract. he may not be a great player but he does cause defences problems and with a partner that he complimenst, someone like Vine but with slightly more pace, we would score more goals as a team.
If he wants to stay at the current wage then he can leave.
If he wants to stay at the current wage then he can leave.
McCammon
Almost 40% of you want him to have a new contract.
Bleeding hell, I give up.
After watching him tonight, if I never see him in a bees shirt again it will be too soon.
Please understand everybody he is sh*tE with a capital S.
Bleeding hell, I give up.
After watching him tonight, if I never see him in a bees shirt again it will be too soon.
Please understand everybody he is sh*tE with a capital S.
JasonBee
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JTofBFC said:
Agreed.
Yes he puts in a lot of effort, but effort doesnt score goals and thats what he is paid to do. If we had a half decent striker at the club to replace him he would probably be given away on a free to a club like Hampton.
Balders Bee
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JTofBFC said:
Just give it a rest would you're in danger of becoming very boring.
Ok so you don't rate Mac but he had absolutely no service or support whatsoever tonight and those headers and knock downs he did win Vine was nowhere to be seen. To single him out for criticism tonight when others were as poor (if not worse) is just rubbish. Perhaps you should take your own advice and give up on this particular topic
he plays for Slough Town he has 25 odd goals this season and is only 19. Sign him up Wally! lolMcCammon
The more people like you who stick up for him every time he plays like a Ryman league reserve, the longer we will have to put up with him.
To even consider renewing his contract is absurd.
As for your suggestion that he is a bigger asset than Vine, it beggars belief.
I know you don't like me criticising him but frankly I dont care and if it is any consolation I dont abuse him at the game (although it does take a lot of willpower I can tell you.....!!)..
I think I have pointed out to you before that this is an Internet discussion board on which we discuss amongst other things the value of players to the team. If you cant stand the heat.........
To even consider renewing his contract is absurd.
As for your suggestion that he is a bigger asset than Vine, it beggars belief.
I know you don't like me criticising him but frankly I dont care and if it is any consolation I dont abuse him at the game (although it does take a lot of willpower I can tell you.....!!)..
I think I have pointed out to you before that this is an Internet discussion board on which we discuss amongst other things the value of players to the team. If you cant stand the heat.........
JasonBee
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Balders Bee said:
I dont think its just about tonight, its about the WHOLE season.
Will you be hapy to see McCammon lining up as our target man at the start of next season? Is that what you call optimism?
Balders Bee
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JTofBFC said:
As for your suggestion that he is a bigger asset than Vine, it beggars belief.
I know you don't like me criticising him but frankly I dont care and if it is any consolation I dont abuse him at the game (although it does take a lot of willpower I can tell you.....!!)..
I think I have pointed out to you before that this is an Internet discussion board on which we discuss amongst other things the value of players to the team. If you cant stand the heat.........
JT you accused another GPGer (Whoobub) of not reading your posts the other night. I suggest you take a leaf out of your own book.
Where exactly did I say he's a better asset than Vine????? My point was Vine was IMO as poor if not worse than Mac tonight yet you see only fit to criticise one player because you don't rate him. When Mac did win the headers or lay the ball off Vine either didn't read the pass or lost possession. Vine had a poor game tonight but I don't particulalry feel the need to single him out for criticism. He is without doubt the nearest player we have to a natural finisher.
I also don't understand your closing paragraph. We are having a discussion unless I am very much mistaken. I just don't agree with your opinion or method of expressing it when IMO it's unfair and unwarranted concerning Mac's performance tonight. I am as entitled to my opinion as you are and if you express your opinion why can't I continue to express mine
In reply to Jason Bee I hope we can find a better option as a target man for next season, I am not blind to Mac's shortcomings although I don't think his performance tonight deserved the criticism JT gave him
West Ealing Bee
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I thought McCammon was very poor last night, as he was on Saturday.
Last Tuesaday it looked like he had come good, with an exceptional performance but since then he hasn't been up to it.
However when Constantine was brought on last night, and played on Saturday, we saw our other options.
McCammon might not be a great option but he is our only option and he gives us something our other strikers can't, pace and strength.
Last Tuesaday it looked like he had come good, with an exceptional performance but since then he hasn't been up to it.
However when Constantine was brought on last night, and played on Saturday, we saw our other options.
McCammon might not be a great option but he is our only option and he gives us something our other strikers can't, pace and strength.
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WE need to keep playing McCammon until we get a better option - either through a loan now or in the close season.
He has had 2 putrid games on the trot but we currently do not have any better options. Whilst we persist in playing long ball ht and hope football we need a battering ram up front - ideally a better one that we currently possess.
Hopefully this will be addressed - I mean we have only needed a new striker for 7 months now and we can release McCammon at the end of the season with thanks for doing his best.
He has had 2 putrid games on the trot but we currently do not have any better options. Whilst we persist in playing long ball ht and hope football we need a battering ram up front - ideally a better one that we currently possess.
Hopefully this will be addressed - I mean we have only needed a new striker for 7 months now and we can release McCammon at the end of the season with thanks for doing his best.
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It's all about opinions isn't it - my opinion hasn't changed from the moment I saw him, absolutely shocking and not a professional footballer in a million years !
He has attributes such as speed and muscle but just doesn't use them. The number of times defenders/keepers are waiting to be roughed up by him and it never ever happens is frustrating and it allows the opposition to gain confidence.
He nees to get down and get dirty and hurt people (but not hurt them badly though !). He should adopt a battering ram role and cause mayhem out there imho
He has attributes such as speed and muscle but just doesn't use them. The number of times defenders/keepers are waiting to be roughed up by him and it never ever happens is frustrating and it allows the opposition to gain confidence.
He nees to get down and get dirty and hurt people (but not hurt them badly though !). He should adopt a battering ram role and cause mayhem out there imho
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hanwell bee
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The striker we have on trial from Forest has been banging them in for the reserves this season, at least he'll have some confidence. Although in my mind I imagine him as a very similar player to Constantine 
The answer has got to be Dobbo and Rowly in centre mid to create more chances
The answer has got to be Dobbo and Rowly in centre mid to create more chances
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homerbees
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mccamon isnt that bad, he was poor yesterday but lets be honest he has smith, o'connor and hutchison creating him with chances.
Sweepy
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hanwell bee said:
Another Brentford classic.
£4.5m in debt, and the prats wait until our play-off ambitions are all but gone before preparing the club funds for a loan striker.
Debbee
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Bee H said:
I've never really had that much confidence in Mark, whenever Coppell even contemplated bringing him on as a sub last season I went mad :mad2:........
however this season things are totally different. I don't think he could ever play @ a higher level but he's pratically all we've got @ the moment and beggars (as we now are under Noad£s) can't be choosers!
As far as getting 'dirty' and adopting a 'battering ram role' no chance
.........the officials already have it in for him. He get's penalised for the slightest of contact with opponents! 
If he challenged for the ball like that he'd be constantly dismissed and have a worse disciplinary record than Rowly!!!:yes:
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i am in the macammon 'pro' camp and have been singing is praises this year, as anyone would when compared to last years efforts. the question of the poll allows the fans to think, in depth, as to the reasons why brentford havent scored proifically as per last season, but to me it also seems to let people blame macammon for this particular shortcoming. its a bit like saying, if we had ruud van nistleroy up front would we score a lot more? and in all honesty i don't think we would have. why? becuase we haven't had (in the games i've watched)a lot of natural goal poaching opportunities. goals seem to come from set plays or through the middle of the pitch. few goals in my opinion, come from quality deliveries from midfield or from full backs pushing up and that is where the problem is at brentford. last year, sidwell bagged some goals and was also the best player in division. evans scored from set pieces and banged them in from wherever he felt fit. ball movement through midfileld was excellent for the large part of last year. compare that to the combinations of the centre two we have seen this year. more chances were created last year and as a result we scored more goals, simple. this year our midfield fail to facilitate atacking play, except down the wings when we see hunt and rowly play well. we have a decent midfield in hunt, rowly and ko'c when they play together but we need a quality 4th to join the fray.
should macammon be offered a contract? yes if it proves eonomically viable, because we have not (and i doubt we'll find someone)anyone else to fulfil that roles that he plays in the team which gives us more chances then anyone else we have on the payroll. simple as that.
should macammon be offered a contract? yes if it proves eonomically viable, because we have not (and i doubt we'll find someone)anyone else to fulfil that roles that he plays in the team which gives us more chances then anyone else we have on the payroll. simple as that.
JBN
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Agree with your comment about the creation of chances or lack of, however if you look at the goal stats, Hunty has 6 or 8, Sonko has 5 or 6, Mac has 7 or 8, Vine with about 14.
We have created some chances, how many times have you seen Mac in front of goal with the ball at his feet and nothing happen? His generally dispossed befor he has managed to do anything. Is it bad luck or lack of ability? You can put a few down to bad luck but how many times can you continue to do that?
The best I have seen him play this season as far as hitting the target is concerned was the second half against Huddersfield, he scored a cracking goal and could have had at least two more. If he played like that week in week out, this thread would never have started. I am not questioning his work rate, it his ability to the hit target.
We have created some chances, how many times have you seen Mac in front of goal with the ball at his feet and nothing happen? His generally dispossed befor he has managed to do anything. Is it bad luck or lack of ability? You can put a few down to bad luck but how many times can you continue to do that?
The best I have seen him play this season as far as hitting the target is concerned was the second half against Huddersfield, he scored a cracking goal and could have had at least two more. If he played like that week in week out, this thread would never have started. I am not questioning his work rate, it his ability to the hit target.
Bee H
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please re-arrange the following words re Marky Mac "cows-arse banjo a with couldn't hit a"
release him at the end of the season, they'll be loads of better players made available so we don't need to stick with him because "he's the best we've got", that's a very negative approach that'll lead us nowhere imho
release him at the end of the season, they'll be loads of better players made available so we don't need to stick with him because "he's the best we've got", that's a very negative approach that'll lead us nowhere imho
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I dont think that we have alot of choice, offer him a contract on severly reduced terms.
I think that he may have no choice to accept
I think that he may have no choice to accept
Bee H
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New Roader said:
erm. didn't I suggest that "release him at the end of the season, they'll be loads of better players made available" ?
He isn't the answer and we all know that. He puts in a lot of effort in most games but so would I and I'm not the answer either
wanderingbee
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I agree may as well play one of the young lads in the youth team if they show promise we may have our answer but keep playing the trolley who we are going to be rid of anyway well we are not looking to next season much IMHO. bring on the new lad or peters or anyone other than the trolley.