MESSAGE FROM RON

MESSAGE FROM RON

Originally posted by mhead bee:
How to increase crowds?...The quid a kid or free kids is banded around quite often.
Just to play devils advocate, if I had paid £100 for my child to attend I would demand refund if all the games became quid a kid for the rest of the season!!

I would offer the following.
Current ST holders under 5 get free ticket next year.All under 10 get ticket for £20, under 16 get £25.
For the whole of next season all new ST for under 16's cost £30 and all under 16's can pay on the door for £2 for every game.

A good point mb. There are many things the club could do to make their young season ticket holders feel valued. Yes they should ensure financial fairness if quid a kid is introduced regularly. Recompense could be in the form of a discount for next season as you suggest, or perhaps a voucher to buy a team shirt in the club shop. This would in itself promote the club as kids wear these shirts at places other than Griffin Park. We get regular communications from Watford fc, our only allegiance being that it is our nearest club. My son never receives anything from Brentford although this is his second year as a season ticket holder.
 

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Originally posted by 8 Bee:
My son never receives anything from Brentford although this is his second year as a season ticket holder.

Yet again, where's the marketing department?

Culpable ineptitiude does not even go half way to describing my view of the lack of activity to attract and retain new supporters. Football is a product and has to be sold. It competes for a limited 'leisure pound' alongside (for the kids) sweet, Pokemon cards, compuetr games etc. If the profile isn't maintained, particularly among young supporters what hope do we have until the markteers sort themselves out.

*bee, phone the club and ask if your lad is on the supporters database. If he is, ask why they have not communicated with him. If he isn't (and he should be if he is a season ticket holder) ask them why not.

I would love to be at a crowded GP (see the other thread) but why, oh why can't we get the basics of attracting 'customers' right.
 

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Great to see Ron take the time to give us his views. When assessing Ron we need to bear in mind two points:

1. We would we wobbling around in the bottom half of division three for the next five years if it weren't for him

2. What really changed the attitude of many Bees fans was going up to division one. What this did is raise our expectations and all many fans do now is get angry when we're not winning the league.

We also need to bear in mind that Ron is our best chance of getting a new ground or upgrading this one. Without this we will be dead or in non-league football within 10 years.

Ron is not perfect though (of course he knows that better than anyone). In particular the club needs to improve its PR and show that it cares for its fans, get some intelligent marketing going (surely if we had a few players less this could pay for a top marketing professional at GP? - great idea from up the board about giving part exchange on the merchandise of other clubs), and if it's not going to put a roof on the Ealing road then home fans should go in the Brook Road with away fans at the other end. This would stick at least 10 Bees goals a season on our home goals tally.
 

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Originally posted by Peter G:

I don`t believe we`ve had the support promised and I feel sorry for the true Brentford supporter who deserves to see the job done and the Club in Division One.
We have got the staff and the players to do it, but we will not be able to keep them unless the gates improve.
Ron Noades


I've not responded previously as I believe Ron makes some good and sound points although perhaps they are somewhat biased? Although I would say, surprisingly, that in my opinion some of his statement does appear to show some naivety about the reactions and passions of football supporters.

However, I cannot let his final comment/statement (see above) pass without question. Can anyone please tell me who made this vast and wonderful promise to him of swelling numbers of supporters? On the assumption that the promise was made (by whom?) when he purchased the club it may be a safe bet to think it may have been wide boy W£bb. Who in their right mind would trust him, after all you count your fingers after shaking hands with W£bb. We had just been relegated. Not a sound base to assume that support would increase, more likely to decrease. Crowds in Divs. 2 & 3 generally have been showing a decline (be it only small)over past two or three years. The competition in London generally and west London in particular was always going to leave the Bees feeding on the crumbs.

Can someone please tell me why Ron believes otherwise and who made this alleged promise to him?
 

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Thank you Baz Bee for expressing my thoughts exactly.Ron seems to make it up as he goes along. I cannot trace the reference now but I clearly remember Ron saying that if we didn't all turn up in our thousands then that would prove Dave Webb right when he (Webb)supposedly told Ron that the myth of dormant Brentford fans just waiting for an upturn to pour back to Griffin Park was exactly that - a myth.
To get the average up to 6500-7000 we need at least three ingredients viz
1)a decent team that is
2)scoring goals and playing exciting football
to put them
3)in automatic promotion contention

Ron may argue that we now have #1) but even the spin doctors cannot suggest that we have achieved #2) and 3) yet for whatever reasons.
We are not in a "Field of Dreams" scenario here (build it and they will come)and I for one am not persuaded that a new stadium with corporate hospitality etc will bring in the "men in suits" unless the quality on the field is there.
John Madejski recently announced that the new Reading Stadium was losing £250,000 per month which must hurt a bit however much money you have.
 

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Ron, thank you very much for your time and effort in putting certain issues to rest.

However a lot of the subjects talked about on here which have a negative effect are because there is NO communication between the fans and the club.

Do you really expect fans not to question your commitment when the Palace/Cardiff stories are bounded about. Especially when you will not publically deny the stories.

Thanks for your comments, but don't leave it as long next time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Well said Ron - it's nice to know you care.

What is the latest with a new ground?
 

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Originally posted by Edmundo:
Jimbee - Scousebee was an "assumed name" of a well known GPG member (with no connections to Liverpool that I know of). I think it's likely that he will read this, but who knows what he'll make of it.

Edmundo, may I ask why the alias of Scousebee has been kept secret? If people are to be abused, why should the abuser allowed to remain anymous if their identity is known. Referring to another thread, I cannot see any good reason why 1 person should post under different identities and I am sure you have the technology to ensure this does not happen.
 

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Peter G said:
After the Walsall game I thought I would have a look at the Griffin Park Grapevine, for the first time this season. So I asked Peter G. to print me off the previous couple of weeks, which he did. Having read it I think there are some things to be said even if it`s only to clarify one or two misconceptions.
First of all I went to Spain after the victory against Bournemouth. You all know my young son was going to school in Spain this year because I told all of you a number of times last season and even thought I might live there this year. Depending on what is happening with him at his school I may have to go a number of times this season or at least my wife will have to. It`s a simple choice, travel backwards and forwards during the season a few times or stay there permanently. I chose the former but if the Brentford fans preferred I stay there it can be arranged. I don`t want to be anywhere I`m not welcome.
As for Ray Lewington, he does a superb job as First Team Coach and/or Assistant Manager - call him what you like. Ray has managed in almost every division and I have no hesitation in him being in charge of the team, in fact he likes it. What he doesn`t want to be is Manager, he doesn`t want the stress of being in charge or the responsibility and tells me he likes it the way it is. As two matches were won whilst I was away, even though we didn`t play well, it could be said that the change was successful.
I returned late Tuesday, we had just beaten Colchester, and the next day Wednesday was a day off for the players. I was at training on Thursday but away on business on Friday and I didn`t think it right to come back for one day and take over the team particularly as we had just won two games with Ray in charge. As it happened we played badly at Luton, but if we had won or drawn I might well have told Ray to continue the run at Port Vale. It`s not about who is in charge, it`s what`s in the best interest of BFC at the time. I took the decision to leave Ray in charge at Luton and I would do the same again. I also think he needs to be in charge for some matches as he enjoys his job more, so it suits everyone. If the fans don`t agree with that it`s unfortunate, but I manage the Club and it`s a management decision I make in the interest of BFC. In my view Brentford is lucky to have Ray Lewington and anyone who doubts his ability doesn`t know what they are tallking about (SB?).
I, after making the decision to leave Ray in charge, looked to see where I could go and I took my wife to see Sam and his wife at Cardiff. We had dined with them on returning from Spain and he had enquired about a number of our players and it suited me to have a look at what he had as well as looking at Mansfield. He had previously also made an enquiry for Lloyd which we had turned down with his agreement.
We watched the game, I liked Legg and Bowen, and drove home. I sat next to Ian Butterworth during the second half who was being interviewed for the Assistant`s job and discussed most of the Cardiff`s players with himm during the game.
I`m not really interested in what Scouse Bee thinks, he doesn`t like the manager, or the coaches and thinks the players are overrated. His language is foul and I`m glad he was given the ultimatum.
I`m not standing down and continuing to fund, as I have no confidence in anyone else spending the Club`s money. If you want someone else to take over that`s fine, they can have the Club for the £850,000 it cost providing they are prepared to secure the overdraft of £2.5 million. This will include the Stadium which perhaps will dispel the notion that someone wants to buy it, or that I`m interested in building on it. I`m not interested in trying to make a profit out of BFC and the Stadium and players are worth considerably more than the liabilities. However I`m also not interested in funding the trading losses at £1.5 million per year and at the same time be slagged off by the so called fans who now do not turn up in sufficient numbers to justify a non league wage bill, never mind ours.
What really bugs me is that at the start of the season I was convinced I had put a squad together that could challenge to get into Division One. This, after a season of consolidation in Division Two when two of the promoted clubs got relegated and the third one struggled the whole year and survived on virtually the last day. Our injuries were abnormal - at one time a complete first eleven plus a number of younger players - yet the fans moan that the squad is too large, that we are not playing attractive football, the players aren`t good enough or the coaching staff aren`t, and I`ve reached the limit of my ability. Nobody seems to understand that the squad is large because half of them are unavailable, we cannot play attractive football when half our best players are injured, and because Boxall, Anderson and Powell are players with pace who are injured we are supposed to do something about it.How many more players are we supposed to sign, and bearing in mind everyone knows we were losing £1.5 million before the injuries, which I was funding, where are we supposed to find the money for more?
On top of all this of course, because we aren`t winning every week and playing attractive football the gates go down to 4,000 even when we are at home to the League leaders, which means another £20,000 per game in our forecasted gate receipts is lost. I thought when I came to the Club that it was a two way deal...I`ll put the money up and you support the team - but you haven`t done that, you`ve criticised everyone and everything whilst half the squad have been unavailable.
Even without them we have still picked up points, stayed in touch, and only lost three League games - the reserves only one. I`m extremely grateful for the 4,000 who still come but the knockers I think are blind to reality. Last Saturday`s performance showed that we have a good and capable squad. It`s such a pity that so few of the fans have so little faith, they don`t deserve good staff or good players.
There is also another reason why we don`t get crowds...our fans are dying according to an old director. Let`s face it this club hasn`t attracted any kids for twenty years and gates have always been going down.
Also I have no problem with the Board, we meet twice a year, without an argument that I can recall, which is another accusation on the web, and Ray and I are in complete agreement on almost everything - not seriously at odds with each other as you say.
If Evo leaves the pitch, Oli is skipper by the way.
We do not tell our midfield to play deep, in fact we change personnel if they are too deep because we tell everyone to push forward if we are in possession and we have spoken to them at length about the problems it creates for the rest of the team.
Javary incidentally was given time off to go home for the birth of his first child, a son - he was away for ten days and needed extra training to get back in contention. He did two training sessions with Geoff Taylor and the Juniors on the day we went to Port Vale. He wanted to and I okayed it.
I cannot believe anyone prefers Simon Marsh to Gibbo.
Crowe was injured and unavailable for the Port Vale game where we gave two players their first start, yet still got a point. Marshall wasn`t injured but came off so we could change the formation.
I think I`ve answered all the points that were worth answering in the period that I read. If I`ve missed anything it`s because I didn`t consider it worth replying to. You wanted me to be honest with you, well I have been - you may not agree with me but that is just your opinion instead of mine which is what football is all about.
I`m not fed up and losing interest. If I had to say what I feel at present, which I don`t, it would be that I`m disappointed. I`m disappointed because I thought I could do great things at Brentford, better perhaps than many of these so called other Managers, but the gates are appalling. The only future is in a new ground unless another three thousand people turn up each week. I`ve spent money on players and when they are all fit you will see that we have a great squad and good enough to go up. But they may not come back in time for this season`s promotion race.
I don`t believe we`ve had the support promised and I feel sorry for the true Brentford supporter who deserves to see the job done and the Club in Division One.
We have got the staff and the players to do it, but we will not be able to keep them unless the gates improve.
Ron Noades
remember this
 

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If you want someone else to take over that`s fine, they can have the Club for the £850,000 it cost providing they are prepared to secure the overdraft of £2.5 million. This will include the Stadium which perhaps will dispel the notion that someone wants to buy it, or that I`m interested in building on it. I`m not interested in trying to make a profit out of BFC and the Stadium and players are worth considerably more than the liabilities.

So, two years on, we're £2m+ further in debt, the stadium (without planning permission) and the squad may be worth more than our liabilities (but probably by not that much). Thanks Ron, but sometimes the roller-coaster has to go up as well as down.
 

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abee said:


Thank you Baz Bee for expressing my thoughts exactly.

Ron seems to make it up as he goes along.


Not much change there then.

Interesting though to read some of the famous names on the GPG swallowing the RN line back in 2000.

This is the bloke remember who if he had had his way would have had Griffin Park cemented over by now and the Bees playing at Woking
 

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Nigel Brooks said:
........... and the squad may be worth more than our liabilities (but probably by not that much).

Come off it Nigel; you don't really believe that do you or were you Enron's Chief Accountant???:rolleyes:
 

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abee said:
Come off it Nigel; you don't really believe that do you or were you Enron's Chief Accountant???:rolleyes:

Our liabilities are what, say £6M?

The squad is worth what, say £750K all up (if we're lucky). GP without PP could be worth a gamble/ punt to a developer of say £5-6M (figures that have been bandied about of £15M+ are meaningless without PP) so there we are assets, just about more than liabilities. We're not disagreeing, it's just that our financial state if far more parlous than it was two years (or indeed just one year) ago.
 

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Allow this pacificst to diffuse any argument before it begins, as we all want Ron on our dartboard and/or out of our club forever! :mhihi

ABee, you appear to have read Nigel Brooks' sentence as "and the squad may be worth more than our liabilities (but probably by not that much)." You missed the important part; "the stadium (without planning permission) and the squad may be worth more than our liabilities (but probably by not that much)."

What Nigel is saying is true. In two years we have gone from a club which could have easily coped with a ground move, to a club which is going to struggle to finance the move. All this thanks to the further £2.5m the club has managed to lose during Ron's superb management.
 
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Nigel Brooks said:


Our liabilities are what, say £6M?


Just over £7m at my last count.
 

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Sweepy, you are right. Most of us are on the same side.

I am not going to start flogging the same old dead horse through post after post but the RN posting for the faithful and gullible spewed out the same old rubbish. He always talked about "overdraft" when it suited him when back in 2000 I was talking about total debt which is considerably more meaningful and forecasting pretty accurately where we were going to be by the end of 2002. I also stated that if we continued under the Noades/Hargraves management they would have to flog GP with or without a new stadium and that we would be part-time before the end of 2005.

He tells us that as at 7 November 2000 the overdraft was £2.5million. Less than seven months later on 31 May 2001 the audited accounts show the overdraft at £3.648m with total creditors at £4.894m.

If people haven't got it by now then they never will.
 

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abee said:


He tells us that as at 7 November 2000 the overdraft was £2.5million. Less than seven months later on 31 May 2001 the audited accounts show the overdraft at £3.648m with total creditors at £4.894m.

If people haven't got it by now then they never will.

Too b(oody right.

How in God's name did we manage to lose over fourty-two thousand pounds every week between Ron's "£2.5M" in November 2000 and the "£3.648M" in May 2001.

Did I miss something? Was it the away matches when we had Ronaldo on the bench but decided not to play him because we were doing so well?
 
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JimP said:
WELL SAID RON !!!

Now perhaps the whingers and the whiners will shut the f**k up for a while and let the man get on with the job. But why do I doubt it ??

Well he certainly got on with the job alright didn't he JimP:mad: :mad:
 

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abee said:
Well he certainly got on with the job alright didn't he JimP:mad: :mad:

You mean there are TWO Jimmy P's in love with Ron?!!! :D
 

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Peter G said:
deal...I`ll put the money up and you support the team - but you haven`t done that, Ron Noades

Sorry Ron we just misunderstood each other.

When you said " I'll put the money up" we stupidly thought that it was speculative cash from your Crystal Palace monies and when we said " we'll support the team " you thought that we were actually gonna turn up at GP.

What we really meant was that we would watch for the results on Teletext.
 

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Where DID we get the idea that he was going to "fund" the club??


I`m not standing down and continuing to fund , as I have no confidence in anyone else spending the Club`s money. If you want someone else to take over that`s fine, they can have the Club for the £850,000 it cost providing they are prepared to secure the overdraft of £2.5 million. This will include the Stadium which perhaps will dispel the notion that someone wants to buy it, or that I`m interested in building on it. I`m not interested in trying to make a profit out of BFC and the Stadium and players are worth considerably more than the liabilities. However I`m also not interested in funding the trading losses at £1.5 million per year and at the same time be slagged off by the so called fans who now do not turn up in sufficient numbers to justify a non league wage bill, never mind ours.
......How many more players are we supposed to sign, and bearing in mind everyone knows we were losing £1.5 million before the injuries, which I was funding, where are we supposed to find the money for more?
 

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Just in case you didn't know already

fund:
noun [C]
a sum of money saved, collected or PROVIDED for a particular purpose


provide (SUPPLY):
verb
to give (someone) or arrange for (someone) to have (something which is useful or desirable or which they will need)


greed, greediness:
noun
a very strong wish to continually get more of something, esp. food or money, especially if your name is Ron Noades
 

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Boston Bee said:
Where DID we get the idea that he was going to "fund" the club??


I`m not standing down and continuing to fund , as I have no confidence in anyone else spending the Club`s money. If you want someone else to take over that`s fine, they can have the Club for the £850,000 it cost providing they are prepared to secure the overdraft of £2.5 million. This will include the Stadium which perhaps will dispel the notion that someone wants to buy it, or that I`m interested in building on it. I`m not interested in trying to make a profit out of BFC and the Stadium and players are worth considerably more than the liabilities. However I`m also not interested in funding the trading losses at £1.5 million per year and at the same time be slagged off by the so called fans who now do not turn up in sufficient numbers to justify a non league wage bill, never mind ours.
......How many more players are we supposed to sign, and bearing in mind everyone knows we were losing £1.5 million before the injuries, which I was funding, where are we supposed to find the money for more?


Does that mean he lied:confused:
 

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Baz Bee said:
There is nothing as good as a large dose of nostalga. Happy days!

:lol :lol :lol :lol

But it ain't what it used to be ;)
 
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