Midfield 'Enforcer'
I think it is him, snarls around every inch of the pitch. Very impressive
Midfield 'Enforcer'
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doctor_bee(MBBS)
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We do need that hard man in the middle, but it's the ability to change the style of play that the manager has to enforce.
We need resilience, we have all the flair by the looks of things but we have to be able to shut up shop a bit better, crowd the midfield and defend properly without leaving massive spaces to get hit on the counter.
Middlesborough last season is more what i'd like us to be this season.
We need resilience, we have all the flair by the looks of things but we have to be able to shut up shop a bit better, crowd the midfield and defend properly without leaving massive spaces to get hit on the counter.
Middlesborough last season is more what i'd like us to be this season.
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........................disagree - Middlesbrough were dirty, got booked, and then the ref allowed them to carry on their dirty cheating ways - Norwich on the other hand are a passing style team, very much as I would like to see us; I wouldn't say they were that much better than us, but rather that, on the day, we just didn't seem to have that 'spark'.......................
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Exactly. To me an "Enforcer" is someone who puts their foot in and deliberately intimidates the opposition. No future in the game.
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I wouldn't want a player like this, totally against our style and doesn't have a future, I'd much rather out football everyone.
However, I too saw the 'Boro games and whilst I'd never want to see us resort to their nasty tricks I would quite like a confident captain who would defend our team from such practices.
However, with our new focus on set pieces I assume we can now punish teams effectively for taking the dirty route, as opposed to being vulnerable in this regard last season
However, I too saw the 'Boro games and whilst I'd never want to see us resort to their nasty tricks I would quite like a confident captain who would defend our team from such practices.
However, with our new focus on set pieces I assume we can now punish teams effectively for taking the dirty route, as opposed to being vulnerable in this regard last season
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Don't agree they came to GP and took turns to foul and stop us playing. They were "nasty", cynical and came not to lose, Leadbitter s a quality player but happy to leave his foot in and blow in the refs ear. Call it whatever you want "enforcer" "Guvnor" or "influencer" I'd like us to have one.
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Macca was excellent in the Norwich game and he was one of the better passers of the ball. Having seen him there I have no doubt he could do a job for us. KK looks tough too.
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The sort of player you might call "an enforcer" is redundant these days. The sort of hard men who patrolled the midfield in the 70s and 80s wouldn't even make it to half time now; they'd be back in dressing room with a suspension looming. Moreover, the free kicks they'd give away would be ruthlessly punished by more technically proficient players. And a fat lot of good it did Middlesboro!
As for "managing the referee" I would hope never to see that at Brentford. Dissent is instantly dealt with in rugby and cricket, (both physically very hard sports), so it's not at all idealistic to ask for it to be stamped out in football. If you have a free kick awarded against you, however debatable, the best thing to do is to get back into position, keep your concentration and defend it. Arguing with the referee is a distraction and is just unprofessional.
As for "managing the referee" I would hope never to see that at Brentford. Dissent is instantly dealt with in rugby and cricket, (both physically very hard sports), so it's not at all idealistic to ask for it to be stamped out in football. If you have a free kick awarded against you, however debatable, the best thing to do is to get back into position, keep your concentration and defend it. Arguing with the referee is a distraction and is just unprofessional.
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I would argue that was a management game plan, given that Tomlin was the worst offender. They did not have an "enforcer", their players were instructed to get in our faces and succeeded in doing it. Yes, you need players who are prepared not to be nice all the time, but you don't need an enforcer. Judging by what little I've heard from MD, it strikes me this is the sort of instruction he may give, once he learns about opposition tactics.
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Mafeking Avenue........gets you there!!!!
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.............yep...........Jota and he got booked for it............
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Mafeking Avenue........gets you there!!!!
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No, and that was the main problem! The CBs were awful for sure, but we know there are solutions to that. The biggest worry right now is the lack of the type of player you identified at the start of this thread! Even if Andre goes, I would still think this was the position we needed to sort out first.
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Mafeking Avenue........gets you there!!!!
IslandBee
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Agreed, but I think this is a temporary solution because I am not sure Mac's passing is good enough. I would be happy for him to prove me wrong though!
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Guess he's itching to make that position his as he didn't get a look in last season.
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A hard-working Stephen Ireland type player who doesn't slag off both colleagues with long hair, ex management AND current management - whilst still employed at the club under such management - and then evidently target aforementioned player on the pitch. Someone with dignity.
Someone who's a REAL pro and who, IMO only, doesn't suffer narcissistic tendencies (and in best case scenario, may just be a manifestion of s desire to win and play at all costs)
Just thinking aloud. I mean, maybe there fire without much smoke.
It's a difficult role to be filled but with Colin at RB I have every confidence AM can have a go.
Someone who's a REAL pro and who, IMO only, doesn't suffer narcissistic tendencies (and in best case scenario, may just be a manifestion of s desire to win and play at all costs)
Just thinking aloud. I mean, maybe there fire without much smoke.
It's a difficult role to be filled but with Colin at RB I have every confidence AM can have a go.
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Hard away trips on the horizon - Burnley, Leeds, Boro - and at the moment our midfield is too nice.
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I am not concerned about our midfield being too 'nice', I am concerned about it being 'too light'. We might need a loanee to give us a bit more depth. With Jota out for few months, McEachran the same, Dallas gone, McLeod unlikely to return for a while, Douglas gone, Williams injured, Sam Saunders still not back (although he should be back in the next week or two), a young loanee from the premiership might be in order.
Long term once people return from injuries, I think we have a lot of options and a strong midfield.
Long term once people return from injuries, I think we have a lot of options and a strong midfield.
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I'm not so sure, if Macca is in the middle we will have more bite which we need but whether he's good enough to be the the lynchpin at this level who knows?
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Sadly I think we all do know at heart. We need someone in the same mould but at a slightly higher level. Mac is almost good enough and probably ok against weaker sides but is found out against the top teams
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That's my take on it as well.
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i can't believe MB hasn't considered this, so it must simply be a wages problem
he's linked with Derby and Forest, but if you live in Kew, why would you want to commute all the way to the East Midlands?
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I think he probably did think about it, but all things considered, doesn't want a kn*b on the wage bill who'll spend as much time suspended as on the pitch.
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I'm not so sure Mac has been found out in the middle at this level. Granted he's been roasted a couple of times at full back due to his lack of pace but I don't think pace is such a must in the deep holding midfield role.
I've got a sneaky feeling he might be a revelation in there. Having said that who knows what Marinus thinks.
I've got a sneaky feeling he might be a revelation in there. Having said that who knows what Marinus thinks.
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I see we played 4-3-3 at Bristol, but perhaps a 4-5-1 against Burnley with Mac and Diagouraga sat in front of defence could make us tougher to break down, but use Grays pace on the break.
I'd go something like
Button
Colin O'connell Dean/barbet Jake
Mac Diagouraga
Vibe Judge Gogia
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I'd go something like
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Colin O'connell Dean/barbet Jake
Mac Diagouraga
Vibe Judge Gogia
Gray
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I love Macca but suspect he may just be a bit too robust and pick up too many cards given how much quicker, cute and knowing players are at this level. I would definitely start him in midfield for now in the absence of a better option.
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One of each needed!
Dave is not and never will be the defensive midfield enforcer. He doesn't protect the back 4 well enough and for me slows down a lot of our play with unnecessary touches and dithering. If promotion is our aim we need better.
My views on KK are on his thread. Not ready and needs time but time is something we don't have.
And we've not replaced Pritchard. Those who think we have clearly haven't watched any matches this season. We are dour.
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Forget promotion........ relagation avoidance is the first hurdle and if we think josh mc is a defensive mid then I think we have problems esp after marinus latest comment on him
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George Saville..? Seems like Wolves have no interest in keeping him and would probably be a useful option for us in midfield
Doovster
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The prophet of doom right on que. Let's wait until the squad is fully assembled before making lunatic comments after 3 games with an obviously weakened current squad.
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It may be interesting to see McCormack replacing Diagouraga in the covering position but the two together would be difficult to go with. He never looks positionally right at full back and the holding role requires discipline.
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.............didn't play like a defensive midfielder in the Borehamwood friendly..............
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