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NFL 2017-2018

Well the new season officially started yesterday.

And it started with a bang. The perennial cellar dwellers Cleveland did a deal where they have agreed to pay Houston $16 million for a draft pick and Houston agreed to chuck in a free Brock Osweiler.

Closer to home Tony Romo didn't get released and the Cowboys are seeking to trade him at the moment. Given the above I reckon I know where he might end up
 

NFL 2017-2018

Well the new season officially started yesterday.

And it started with a bang. The perennial cellar dwellers Cleveland did a deal where they have agreed to pay Houston $16 million for a draft pick and Houston agreed to chuck in a free Brock Osweiler.

Closer to home Tony Romo didn't get released and the Cowboys are seeking to trade him at the moment. Given the above I reckon I know where he might end up

The Houston ambulances are on call to transport Romo there....

The Eagles have started quickly, answering their huge needs at WR by picking up Smith and Jeffery.
Just a decent RB and CB needed and we can challenge for the NFC East again
 

NFL 2017-2018

The real secret with free agency is you sign your own difference makers before it starts and then let everybody else overpay for average/poor players. Every year the press crowns a winner in free agency and most years they are lucky to top 6 wins.

Interesting article about the Osweiler trade - http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/09/cleveland-browns-brock-osweiler-trade-houston-texans-moneyball, it appears that what the Browns have done is trade cap space to Houston for a 2nd next year and a player they'll actually try and offload.
 

NFL 2017-2018

The real secret with free agency is you sign your own difference makers before it starts and then let everybody else overpay for average/poor players. Every year the press crowns a winner in free agency and most years they are lucky to top 6 wins.

Interesting article about the Osweiler trade - http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/09/cleveland-browns-brock-osweiler-trade-houston-texans-moneyball, it appears that what the Browns have done is trade cap space to Houston for a 2nd next year and a player they'll actually try and offload.

I would love to see the Browns go for Deshaun Watson.
He is a real game changer, was brilliant at Clemson.
Might be reaching with a top pick though, just dont think Kizer or Trubisky are better
 

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New England are having a surprisingly high profile off-season, and that's before Donte Hightower and Jimmy Garropolo sign anything. Usually they make small, value-for-money moves and collect extra mid-round picks.

Defence

At CB, they've upgraded from Logan Ryan to Stephon Gilmore but at a huge cost. $8 million against the salary cap this year, and $12-15 million in the following 4 years. At pass rusher, they've upgraded from Chris Long and Jabaal Sheard in favour of Kony Ealy and Lawrence Guy, again at quite a cost.

It looks like they'll keep Malcolm Butler for one more year, he'll have to get by on a mere $4 million. That leaves Donte Hightower, who is doing the rounds looking for the best deal he can get. I really hope the Patriots can match whatever he's offered, as without him there's a huge hole in the middle of the defence.

Offence

On offence, they've traded pick 32 (the champions' pick) for Brandin Cooks, who has one year left on his rookie deal plus a 5th year option.

At TE, they've downgraded from Martellus Bennett to Dwayne Allen, and lost a 4th round pick to boot. Indianapolis look like the winners here, with Jack Doyle's emergence as an all-round TE.

A big RB is needed, as LeGarrette Blount won't be back. No need to panic there.

That leaves Jimmy Garopollo. He's on the final year of his rookie deal, and there's no way New England can afford to keep both him and Brady after that. Brady is signed for the next 3 seasons, and relatively cheaply at that, so selling now seems logical.

The Patriots are saying Garoppolo's not for sale, which many analysts take to mean "we're waiting for Cleveland to offer us the 12th pick this year and a future 2nd rounder". If not Cleveland, some team will surely decide that Garoppolo has more value than any of the rookies.

Or maybe they really do mean he's not for sale. They look like they're in win now mode more than ever, with the Stephon Gilmore future money and the lack of a 1st or 2nd round pick. Garopollo is an important part of that, as you need a QB in training who can play the role of the opposition's QB.
 

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According to this, Tom Brady has the Patriots' biggest salary cap hit, but it's currently only the 40th biggest in the league, below Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler and level with Mike Glennon. And miles below Tony Romo.

And according to this, New England are league average when it comes to salary cap space. Philadelphia are rock bottom, in salary cap debt.
 

NFL 2017-2018

According to this, Tom Brady has the Patriots' biggest salary cap hit, but it's currently only the 40th biggest in the league, below Sam Bradford and Brock Osweiler and level with Mike Glennon. And miles below Tony Romo.

And according to this, New England are league average when it comes to salary cap space. Philadelphia are rock bottom, in salary cap debt.

The salary cap and the calculations that people do to minimise the effect of things is a very dark art to me but, if I am understanding things correctly, the debt that PHL find themselves with is theoretical as it is only the top 51 cap hits that have to be included in the calculations isn't it?
 

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Maybe, but they're bottom on that category too. Not much wiggle room, as they say.
 

NFL 2017-2018

New England are having a surprisingly high profile off-season, and that's before Donte Hightower and Jimmy Garropolo sign anything. Usually they make small, value-for-money moves and collect extra mid-round picks.

Defence

At CB, they've upgraded from Logan Ryan to Stephon Gilmore but at a huge cost. $8 million against the salary cap this year, and $12-15 million in the following 4 years. At pass rusher, they've upgraded from Chris Long and Jabaal Sheard in favour of Kony Ealy and Lawrence Guy, again at quite a cost.

It looks like they'll keep Malcolm Butler for one more year, he'll have to get by on a mere $4 million. That leaves Donte Hightower, who is doing the rounds looking for the best deal he can get. I really hope the Patriots can match whatever he's offered, as without him there's a huge hole in the middle of the defence.

Offence

On offence, they've traded pick 32 (the champions' pick) for Brandin Cooks, who has one year left on his rookie deal plus a 5th year option.

At TE, they've downgraded from Martellus Bennett to Dwayne Allen, and lost a 4th round pick to boot. Indianapolis look like the winners here, with Jack Doyle's emergence as an all-round TE.

A big RB is needed, as LeGarrette Blount won't be back. No need to panic there.

That leaves Jimmy Garopollo. He's on the final year of his rookie deal, and there's no way New England can afford to keep both him and Brady after that. Brady is signed for the next 3 seasons, and relatively cheaply at that, so selling now seems logical.

The Patriots are saying Garoppolo's not for sale, which many analysts take to mean "we're waiting for Cleveland to offer us the 12th pick this year and a future 2nd rounder". If not Cleveland, some team will surely decide that Garoppolo has more value than any of the rookies.

Or maybe they really do mean he's not for sale. They look like they're in win now mode more than ever, with the Stephon Gilmore future money and the lack of a 1st or 2nd round pick. Garopollo is an important part of that, as you need a QB in training who can play the role of the opposition's QB.

Overall good points. Thanks a lot.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Welcome to the GPG.

Anyone care to count how many different ways I spelt Garoppolo? More different ways than he's played NFL games, for sure. Even Demaryius Thomas is easier to spell.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Welcome to the GPG.

Anyone care to count how many different ways I spelt Garoppolo? More different ways than he's played NFL games, for sure. Even Demaryius Thomas is easier to spell.

I see your Demaryius Thomas and raise you a Manu Tuiosasopo


Mo Claiborne is now a Raven and DeMarcus Ware has decided to call it a career. Word in the street is he will sign a one day contract with the Cowboys to allow him to retire a Cowboy
 

NFL 2017-2018

All or nothing series two on Amazon will be last seasons LA Rams....bit boring really as Rams were also last summers hard knocks....
 

NFL 2017-2018

In fairly significant news, Jacksonville Jaugars quarterback, Blake Bortles - the third overall pick in the 2014 draft - has been publicly demoted by his coach in favour of journeyman QB Chad Henne.
Basically, the guy throws too many interceptions with little upside to compensate for that.

2014 was the year Johnny Manziel was picked first round, and the final pick of the first round and 3rd QB to be chosen was Teddy Bridgewater.
Bridgewater remains as the starter for the Vikings.

Very difficult predicting how drafted QB's will fare.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Looks like Julian Edelman, of the latest Super Bowl miracle catch, may be out for the season with an ACL tear.

:(
 

NFL 2017-2018

Despite losing Edelman the Pats are still pretty well stacked and I would expect them to get to the Championship game at the very least. If Derek Carr continues his great progress I think the Raiders make the Superbowl. More cloudy in the NFC but I think the Cowboys finally win a play-off game and get to the Championship game probably against the Packers. And Aaron Rogers will led them to a superbowl berth and another title. As for surprise team I am going with the Titans who will make the play-offs.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Despite losing Edelman the Pats are still pretty well stacked and I would expect them to get to the Championship game at the very least. If Derek Carr continues his great progress I think the Raiders make the Superbowl. More cloudy in the NFC but I think the Cowboys finally win a play-off game and get to the Championship game probably against the Packers. And Aaron Rogers will led them to a superbowl berth and another title. As for surprise team I am going with the Titans who will make the play-offs.

I think there's a tendency to overrate the Cowboys, though not by us Giants fans. Their defense is a bit shaky.
New York travels to Dallas for the late night Sunday game in Week One. Always a great matchup.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Bucs at Phins now cancelled Sunday due to Hurricane Irma

Will now be played at a neutral venue or week 11
 

NFL 2017-2018

Despite losing Edelman the Pats are still pretty well stacked and I would expect them to get to the Championship game at the very least. If Derek Carr continues his great progress I think the Raiders make the Superbowl. More cloudy in the NFC but I think the Cowboys finally win a play-off game and get to the Championship game probably against the Packers. And Aaron Rogers will led them to a superbowl berth and another title. As for surprise team I am going with the Titans who will make the play-offs.

Yes, can see the Titans doing well this season.

Also expect the Bucs to make a strong run for the playoffs. Good insight into the team on Hard Knocks this season - you can see the leadership which Winston brings to the team (interesting, when there were some character issues when people were wondering whether he or Mariotta would work out best as they came into the league together) and he has good weapons at WR.

A lot of love for the Packers as the guys on the generally excellent Gridiron Show podcast made their Super Bowl picks in this week's episode too.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Bucs at Phins now cancelled Sunday due to Hurricane Irma

Will now be played at a neutral venue or week 11

Tough for both franchises. No bye week meaning a significant disadvantage down towards the end of the season. I guess the NFL had no choice although some would have pointed out to play the game at a neutral venue in nearby city.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Tough for both franchises. No bye week meaning a significant disadvantage down towards the end of the season. I guess the NFL had no choice although some would have pointed out to play the game at a neutral venue in nearby city.

There are precedents for both. Buffalo played in Detroit (last year?) with a 24 hour delay due to snow fall. Houston and Baltimore played in a bye week a few years back when Reliant Stadium got damaged by a hurricane. Not forgetting of course when the Saints relocated to San Antonio for a while. If this hurricane is as bad as predicted who knows what might happen to the stadium?
 

NFL 2017-2018

Bucs -Phins now confirmed for week 11
 

NFL 2017-2018

Vegas bookies giving odds of 1000-1 for the Jets to win the Superbowl.
Usually, tanking teams are quoted in the region of 300-1.

Probably between the Jets and the 49ers for the race for the first pick in next year's NFL draft.
I actually think the Browns were unlucky in a number of games last season, or rather they initially gave a decent account of themselves early on in games but tended to fade, maybe due to inexperience. Their rebuilding should start to show some results.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Bit of an upset.....42-27 Chiefs....

Glad we can get the talk of Pats going 16-0 out of the way.
Chiefs are a good side, but I reckon the Pats will be shell-shocked from conceding 42 points.
I wouldn't want to be playing New England in Week 2.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Glad we can get the talk of Pats going 16-0 out of the way.
Chiefs are a good side, but I reckon the Pats will be shell-shocked from conceding 42 points.
I wouldn't want to be playing New England in Week 2.

New England travel to the Superdome in Week2, looks like a shoot-out in prospect. Pats always vulnerable in those early weeks, you would not want to play them in November and December though.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Great work from my brother, Kareem. :cool:
 

NFL 2017-2018

Damn you, Spencer Ware, and your stupid knee ligaments!
 

NFL 2017-2018

DeShaun Kizer starts at QB for the Cleveland Browns, currently completed 6/7 and scored a rushing touchdown against the Steelers.
Nobody is going to fancy them against the Steelers, but currently tied at 7-7.
 

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Kirk Cousins on the other hand is playing himself out of a starting role, only completed 2/8 passes, as the Redskins trail the Eagles 7-0.
Early days.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Kirk Cousins on the other hand is playing himself out of a starting role, only completed 2/8 passes, as the Redskins trail the Eagles 7-0.
Early days.
And what a great bit of work by Wentz to get the first TD of the game.
 

NFL 2017-2018

And what a great bit of work by Wentz to get the first TD of the game.

Cousins has improved, Redskins back in the game.

Also note, Blake Bortles has got the start for the Jaguars, who are 19-0 up against Houston. So far he hasn't thrown an interception.
He must be bricking it, his coach publicly demoted him last week, so he's back in favour for the moment.
 

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Wow! Now rookie QB DeShaun Watson is in the game for the Texans.
Figure, they've got nothing to lose and Tom Savage is s*** anyway.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Blake Bortles has thrown two interceptions, 6/16 for 46 yds and no touchdowns into the third quarter.
He is very much living on borrowed time.
Tom Coughlin will be furious.
 

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I never saw that film about the baseball side whose owner wanted them to suck, but we actually have a real life situation now in the NFL where I'm pretty sure the 49ers and the Jets are doing their damnest to tank so they can get the No.1 draft pick next year:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...sam-darnold-jets-2018-draft-article-1.3503404

I'm struggling to form a mental picture of a side that is actually worse than the Jets.
If they both go 0-16, they should give the first pick to the Jets, because they've sucked for years and years, whereas the 49ers were once mighty and no doubt will be again.
I believe how they would actually resolve two sides going 0-16 who hadn't played one another is by evaluating which had the easier schedule.
 

NFL 2017-2018

I never saw that film about the baseball side whose owner wanted them to suck, but we actually have a real life situation now in the NFL where I'm pretty sure the 49ers and the Jets are doing their damnest to tank so they can get the No.1 draft pick next year:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...sam-darnold-jets-2018-draft-article-1.3503404

I'm struggling to form a mental picture of a side that is actually worse than the Jets.
If they both go 0-16, they should give the first pick to the Jets, because they've sucked for years and years, whereas the 49ers were once mighty and no doubt will be again.
I believe how they would actually resolve two sides going 0-16 who hadn't played one another is by evaluating which had the easier schedule.

I think the 49ers offense is easily the most inept and hence the worst in the NFL. They will need a few years of good drafts to get even close to being competitive again. The D looks promising though.

Looking the schedules I can see the Jets possibly beating Jackonsville, the Browns and maybe the Bills at home. So 2-3 wins.

I can't see the 49ers beating the Rams again this season so their sole win may come against the Jags or at the Colts (if Luck is not back)
 

NFL 2017-2018

You do know that JETS stands for Just End The Season don't you?
 

NFL 2017-2018

I think the 49ers offense is easily the most inept and hence the worst in the NFL. They will need a few years of good drafts to get even close to being competitive again. The D looks promising though.

Looking the schedules I can see the Jets possibly beating Jackonsville, the Browns and maybe the Bills at home. So 2-3 wins.

I can't see the 49ers beating the Rams again this season so their sole win may come against the Jags or at the Colts (if Luck is not back)

I don't think they'll beat the Browns, it'll be interesting to see if the Browns can beat the Bengals, who have just fired their offensive co-ordinator. The Jets have already lost to the Bills. The Bills and Browns no doubt aren't strong sides, but I reckon it's still between the Jets and 49ers for the truly worst.
Jacksonville needs a QB who doesn't throw interceptions all the time.
 

NFL 2017-2018

Giants have now gone 8 games failing to score more than 20 points in a match.
 
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