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I wasn't expecting the link to lead to a story about our club.

An awful day, I suddenly feel even worse.

EDIT - But reading some of the bitterness on the Pompey board concerning England playing at "Scumhampton" has cheered me up no end though!
 
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The article says it was one fan. Those who were standing around him know who he is. Perhaps the name should be posted on the GPG and then we can all see who this racist is.
 

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How many people were at the game?
I have been watching the Bees for 20 plus year's,and one of the first thing's that I noticed all those year's ago was that here was a team who's supporter's did not sink to the scum bag mentality of some other club's so called supporter's of dishing out racial abuse to any black player's.If this is creeping into G.P it must be stamped on straight away.

:( :( :( :( :( :(

Come on you Bees.
 

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1 no doubt Ron Noades will use this against us at some stage
2 no doubt the Chronicle will give it back page 'large' bearing in mind their recent articles/support !
3 did it really happen or is this a 'bandwagon' effort and why wasn't something said at the time ? It is something that has to be kcked out the game and fast so why suddenly come out with it now ? It's not as if it were a full house and bearing in mind the player knows it was one person in a small crowd.
 

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Where was Herr King when all of this was supposed to be happening; my guess is taking his steroids and bulking up to toss out genuine supporters at the Port Vale game????

Can't the club get this negative report onto Teletext and Ceefax to ensure that we get the average gate down to Noades 4300 budget estimate.:mad: :mad:
 

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I really can't believe this is all happening...especially considering the number of black players we have playing for our mighty club. One of which is a legend and fan favourite!!!!

I have seen at least one person this season giving it large at Ninian park...with several racist comments (and i don't mean about the Welsh)...along with the BDS tag. No idea who this individual is, but other "loyal supporters" on this board do know him.

The individual i saw should act his age...cos he was certainly no spring chicken. I also have no further comment, so don't even bother askin me nething regarding this post.

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Bee H said:
It's not as if it were a full house and bearing in mind the player knows it was one person in a small crowd.
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That's the point BeeH, Stiffs games are generally watched by crowds in the 10's, or, if you're really lucky, a couple of hundred.

Most of the crowd are regulars, ST holders who get in for free.

IF this happened, and no one who was there has yet posted that it did, then the individual should surely be easy to identify and deal with.
 

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me thinks there's a little porky pie going on !

AJ said:
I really can't believe this is all happening...
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The more I think about it the more I have ask "did it actually happen ?". At reserve games you can hear a pin drop and any disgraceful or racist chants/comments would be heard loud and clear !
 

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Re: me thinks there's a little porky pie going on !

Bee H said:
The more I think about it the more I have ask "did it actually happen ?". At reserve games you can hear a pin drop and any disgraceful or racist chants/comments would be heard loud and clear !
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IF it happened, we must be able to name and shame the culprit.

If the club are sure that it DIDN'T happen then there must be an immediate request for a retraction and apology from the Portsmouth Rivals site.
 

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When you review the game in the Big Match thread, there are a number of regulars on here who went, maybe one of those could enlighten us.
It could also be construed that there was a misunderstanding and the abuse was being aimed at Blackman (Lloyd), who of course is white, but if someone called out Blackman you ffing idiot, for making an error, Hislop could have thought it was aimed at him?
Anything is possible? Lets hope so.
 

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Gee Bee said:
It could also be construed that there was a misunderstanding and the abuse was being aimed at Blackman (Lloyd), who of course is white, but if someone called out Blackman you ffing idiot, for making an error, Hislop could have thought it was aimed at him?
Anything is possible? Lets hope so.
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:lol :lol

The comments I heard were similar to those at Oldham....I think we all know what they could be.
 

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Does this not all come back to the 'Why the **** do we employ stewards' thread though? If it really was one person acting the idiot then surely he could have been slung out like a shot by our stewards? They're all too keen to sling out genuine Bees fans for creating an atmosphere but this looks like yet another example of them not doing their job when it really counts.
 

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I received a call from The Portsmouth Evening News on Tuesday who asked for the Club`s response to Kevin Harper`s allegations of racist remarks made by a supporter at the Reserve match.
I asked the reporter if he was at the game (which of course he wasn`t).
I told him that I was, that there were between 50 and 100 spectators at the match (there was in fact an official attandance of 102), and the chance was that if any racist remarks had been made, I, together with everyone else, would have heard them. I told him that that wasn`t the case, and also remarked that I was surprised that a complaint hadn`t been made at the time, for had it been we, the Club, could have done something about it.
I reiterated the Club`s stance on racism and that we were fully supportive of the "Let`s Kick Racism Out of Football" initiative which is currently in full flow, and which we are promoting fully on Saturday.
I said (and this seems to be a pretty imotive subject at the moment) that there was more likelihood of supporters making a complaint about the obscenities they would have heard (and I plainly heard) players using at that match.
While I`m not in a position to categorically state that the incident did not take place, for others may know differently, it must be noted that it is one man`s assertion that it happened albeit in retrospect.
 

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i think that brentford should get rid of mr king and those silly people from goldrange cos neither of them can do there jobs properly and get somebody else in who does nt chuck out die hard bees fans for enjoying themselves and trying to get the bees crowd going. i can tell u from personal expereince with jobsworth king that he does not have a clue on what he is doing he just wants a easy life
 

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Are there any stewards at reserve games. What sort of crowd is usual and how many were at the Pompey game?
If the event did occur, then it must be possible for the culprit to be identified to Mr King.
AJ you seem to know what was said, I assume you were there?
 

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do keep up gee bee! there were 102 ;)

aj, i agree that you are being well out of order, what are you insinuating about PG, what do you think he would have been talking about, other than calming any sort of situation down

also why have you started talking like rudolph hucker all of a sudden?
 

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AJ said:
I was also surprised to see Mr Gilham talking to the same person at half time :eek:

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David Michael said:
aj, i agree that you are being well out of order, what are you insinuating about PG, what do you think he would have been talking about, other than calming any sort of situation down

I wasn't insinuating anything.....I was merely passing the buck. I've got nothing against any Brentford supporter...I was merely explaining a certain comment I have heard said at a match, for the benefit of other readers. This could have been anyone and I am not one to the point the finger or slate anyone for their opinions.

also why have you started talking like rudolph hucker all of a sudden?
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Who knows...maybe I'm ill??? ;)

COME ON U REDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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pandora said:
I also saw peter speak to someone out side the Toilets.
which was after Copper ken had spoken to pete


but then Peter spoke to me but that was to pounce a Bovril,come to think of it so did BeeH.

thats £1 each guys!!!

as for any racist comments grow up guys!!!!!!

they are the only abuse i dont deal in!!!!!
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I wasn't insinuating anything.....

By putting an :eek: after the particular sentence, I'd say that you were ! Peter G knows nearly all the Bees away fans and faces, he was sat in the excuse for the seating area and would not have been aware of the fans behind him on the terrace and what they were doing.

Even if he knew people that weren't perhaps the most savoury, would you expect him to ignore them when he's a diplomat of the Club ............ as well as being a top bloke who hates racism

Peter G spoke to Pandora and myself at half-time incidentally and we were sat in the seating area (thuis clearing us bearing in mind the implications made by your posting AJ). The main conversation topic was the state of the pie that he was brave enough to eat !!
 
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I wasn't insinuating anything.....

By putting an :eek: after the particular sentence, I'd say that you were !
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Ok maybe that was a mistake putting that there...I certainly wasn't tryin to imply that.

(thuis clearing us bearing in mind the implications made by your posting AJ).
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I really wasn't trying to implicate anyone..I was merely repeating something i had heard. The post has now been deleted anyway....because it seems to have caused no end of trouble.
 

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David Michael said:
do keep up gee bee! there were 102 ;)
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I know as I was typing PG was posting, so my post looked pathetic for a change ;)
 

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I attended the Portsmouth game and heard no such abuse. All you could hear were the players and the occasional obscenities they use. If anyone did shout out something he would have stood out like a sore thumb.
 

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Pauly Paul said:
I attended the Portsmouth game and heard no such abuse. All you could hear were the players and the occasional obscenities they use. If anyone did shout out something he would have stood out like a sore thumb.
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"That is the case for the defence m'lud!!"
Absolutely says it all, the whole thing is bollox, imho. Bee H right again also.:cool:
 

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Pauly Paul said:
I attended the Portsmouth game and heard no such abuse. All you could hear were the players and the occasional obscenities they use. If anyone did shout out something he would have stood out like a sore thumb.
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Cheers PP

Therefore,as we are innocent until proven guilty AND as, according to Peter Gilham whose opinion I value, the player made no comment about the alleged abuse while at Griffin Park, I would reiterate that the club immediately requests a prominent retraction and apology on both the Portsmouth Rivals siate and on 'The Score' (the Rivals daily newslettter) which I where I originally picked up this, now seemingly, supposed incident.
 

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Peter G said:
I received a call from The Portsmouth Evening News on Tuesday who asked for the Club`s response to Kevin Harper`s allegations of racist remarks made by a supporter at the Reserve match.
I asked the reporter if he was at the game (which of course he wasn`t).
I told him that I was, that there were between 50 and 100 spectators at the match (there was in fact an official attandance of 102), and the chance was that if any racist remarks had been made, I, together with everyone else, would have heard them. I told him that that wasn`t the case, and also remarked that I was surprised that a complaint hadn`t been made at the time, for had it been we, the Club, could have done something about it.
I reiterated the Club`s stance on racism and that we were fully supportive of the "Let`s Kick Racism Out of Football" initiative which is currently in full flow, and which we are promoting fully on Saturday.
I said (and this seems to be a pretty imotive subject at the moment) that there was more likelihood of supporters making a complaint about the obscenities they would have heard (and I plainly heard) players using at that match.
While I`m not in a position to categorically state that the incident did not take place, for others may know differently, it must be noted that it is one man`s assertion that it happened albeit in retrospect.
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P.G's word is good enough for me.Why are we being portraid as the new Millwall??In my opinion there is and never has been a problem with racism at Brentford.As I said in my earlier post it was noticeable 20 plus year's ago to me,that here was a club who's fan's were not in the slighist bit interested in giving black player's abuse of any kind,and long may it continue.

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Come on you Bees.
 

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Just to back up the fact of our history against racsim. Several years ago against Newport, a few a******es decided to make the "ooh ooh" noise at their winger (Chamberlain). As I was standing near the cretins, in a case of mistaken identity, I was punched and put in a headlock and told that " we don't have scum like you here". After I explained that it wasn't me making the noises, that I had been supporting the Bees since I was about 5, and that I certainly new how wrong racism is, I was given an apology.

How many grounds would that have happened at?
 

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I think they should be made to make a full apology and retraction, and the player as well.

I dont think that any of the 102 people there, who are probably known to most bees fans cos they are there every match, would ever be racist, and even if they would contemplate doing such a thing the risk of being caught is too high for any true bees fan to take.
 

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I haven't seen anywhere what constituted "racial abuse". The presumably tongue in cheek response earlier about Lloyd Blackman might not be far from the truth.

No matter, if people are still insistant on genuinely abusing players because of their skin colour then it has to be stamped out.

Mind you, it gets me thinking about what does constitute either racial abuse or discrimination. I found a web site the other day called "Asian Jobs" and when you read it, the site is effectively a recruitment agency but only for Asian people. Is that not discrimination ?
 

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An update to this alleged situation.

The Metropolitan Police, after the allegation was made, asked the player for substantiation of his claims.

As of last Saturday, despite, it is claimed, repeated mesaages to the player and his agents, they had received no response.

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

Personally, if this did not happen, I would want to see this absence of racism used in a positive light by the club and a full, equally prominent, retraction on the Portsmouth Rivals website.
 

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Mikey Bee said:
I I found a web site the other day called "Asian Jobs" and when you read it, the site is effectively a recruitment agency but only for Asian people. Is that not discrimination ?
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Change 'asian' to 'white' and that answers your question. It shouldn't make any difference who it is racist against
 

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Nigel Brooks said:
An update to this alleged situation.

The Metropolitan Police, after the allegation was made, asked the player for substantiation of his claims.

As of last Saturday, despite, it is claimed, repeated mesaages to the player and his agents, they had received no response.

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

Personally, if this did not happen, I would want to see this absence of racism used in a positive light by the club and a full, equally prominent, retraction on the Portsmouth Rivals website.
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The author of the article on the Portsmouth rivals site states that he was reflecting Kevin Harper's claim, and was not necessarily the opinion of the website author. To be fair to him, he was quite genuine about his defence, but I have explained that there are a lot of mongs out there who will tarnish Brentford with the racist slur, as too many believe in the cliché "there's no smoke without fire".

Anyway, remember the Joe Kinnear accusations of Brentford fans being racist? I am almost certain that he mistook racism for criticism of one his player's dodgy barnet.
 
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