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I know Osborne is unproven at CB at this level but does anyone else think that his pace would bode well with Heywoods obvious aireal (sp?) ability in the centre of defence? I don't think Griffiths has done anything particularly wrong but i reckon we should test this partnership out as we lack pace in defence big time.

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We can't have Griffiths and Driftwood playing together for too long as they are both far too slow. Karle showed alot of potential yesterday, I thought and has a great asset in his pace, he just needs some experience. Its a shame that we have such a lack of resources as ideally we would have liked to have got him out on loan to get this but we can't.

I'm a great believer though that the best way to learn is to play and to be honest we look shaky at the back anyway with a lack of pace. This may be harsh on Griffiths but I think he is a little too keen, this sometimes works for him as he gets balls that prehaps he shouldn't but on other times it counts against him and he runs after them like a headless chicken. Yesterday he did this twice and both times the Orient strikers got through, once where Osborne cut them off and another where they somehow managed to miss effectively a 2 on 1 with Nelson.

We need more pace at the back and Heywood for all his faults is good in the air and has more experience. I imagine he would be better for Karle to play next to him because of this, as he'll talk to him all game, whilst Karle makes up for his lack of pace.
 

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if this was to happen, then it definatley would not be griffiths going out of back 4.
 

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Our defence are prone to sloppiness putting undue pressure on the whole team, ideally my back four would be Kev O, Osbourne,Heywood Framo with Griffiths/Charles on the bench.

I really like Osbourne out of all the youngsters and think he will be a great prospect :sorted:
 

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Griffth's has really quite impressed me since coming into the team and IMO will only get better with more games under his belt. Really can't see him being dropped. :nono:
 

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TBEE said:
Griffth's has really quite impressed me since coming into the team and IMO will only get better with more games under his belt. Really can't see him being dropped. :nono:
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I agree, i prefer Griffths over heywood
 

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You had 4 players yesterday who could count on one hand the number of times they've played together. it must be a difficult job to understand who's doing what and when. Heywood looked too slow and i bet Knight can't wait for Tuesday to come!! Griffiths looks good but lacks the extra yard of pace like a Sodje. Tillen isn't a defender!! Need O'Connor and Framps back in with Griffiths and Heywood. Nelson doesn't give great confidence as one minute he can pull off a great save and the next miskick a ball and see it thundered back at goal, or flap at crosses or get beat on the near post !!
Still they've done well considering the amount of times the players have played together.
 

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Havent Heywood and Griffiths been brought in as senior pros :rolleyes:
 

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Holysmit said:
We can't have Griffiths and Driftwood playing together for too long as they are both far too slow. Karle showed alot of potential yesterday, I thought and has a great asset in his pace, he just needs some experience. Its a shame that we have such a lack of resources as ideally we would have liked to have got him out on loan to get this but we can't.

I'm a great believer though that the best way to learn is to play and to be honest we look shaky at the back anyway with a lack of pace. This may be harsh on Griffiths but I think he is a little too keen, this sometimes works for him as he gets balls that prehaps he shouldn't but on other times it counts against him and he runs after them like a headless chicken. Yesterday he did this twice and both times the Orient strikers got through, once where Osborne cut them off and another where they somehow managed to miss effectively a 2 on 1 with Nelson.

We need more pace at the back and Heywood for all his faults is good in the air and has more experience. I imagine he would be better for Karle to play next to him because of this, as he'll talk to him all game, whilst Karle makes up for his lack of pace.
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Are you talking about Karle Carder-Andrews or Karleigh Osborne? :confused:
 

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Mads Bee said:
Our defence are prone to sloppiness putting undue pressure on the whole team, ideally my back four would be Kev O, Osbourne,Heywood Framo with Griffiths/Charles on the bench.

I really like Osbourne out of all the youngsters and think he will be a great prospect :sorted:
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Agree with that completely. Also agree that Tillen is by no means a defender, he is very dangerous when out on the left wing, more so than Rhodes anyway.
 

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The back four will play alot better when Frampton rejoins them. In the game or two they played together he seemed to be aware of the slowness of Heywood and was ready to cover. Both wing backs need to be ready to cover for Heywood to be successful. If teams play long balls all day, Griffiths and Heywood are ideal.
 

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By the way, did anyone else see Griffiths throwing up behind the goal just before kick off? Either he wasn't well or was a bit nervous....
 

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-superbees2k3- said:
Agree with that completely. Also agree that Tillen is by no means a defender, he is very dangerous when out on the left wing, more so than Rhodes anyway.
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Agree Tillen should be left midfield and drop Rhodes :sorted:
 

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Brickie Chap said:
Havent Heywood and Griffiths been brought in as senior pros :rolleyes:
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Griffiths hasn't played enough football to be considered experienced.

Think it was more of a gamble based on the potential showed between injuries @ Bournemouth and IMHO with time he'll be a real asset. Would help if we could get a settled back four with Kev O and Framps back, and he gets to do his job alone. At present he seems to be running around a bit headless trying to make last ditch tackles to cover others mistakes.
 

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Our defence......... have we any centre backs for next week? Except Heywood who has had no real pre-season games.
 

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Lee Thorpe was masterful in defence.

Seriously, I know it was hot and he came on when everyone else was tired, but I thought he was great.

All we need is to sort out who can play up front to release him to play at the back.
 

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shaggy said:
Lee Thorpe was masterful in defence.

Seriously, I know it was hot and he came on when everyone else was tired, but I thought he was great.

All we need is to sort out who can play up front to release him to play at the back.
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He was on for less than 10 minutes when everyone else had played 80 minutes in 90 degrees. He won 3 headers, won 1 tackle and sprayed a ball fifty yards to no one, are you having a laugh?

Would love it if he could play there if required but masterful seems a little OTT
 

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sonofabee said:
He was on for less than 10 minutes when everyone else had played 80 minutes in 90 degrees. He won 3 headers, won 1 tackle and sprayed a ball fifty yards to no one, are you having a laugh?

Would love it if he could play there if required but masterful seems a little OTT
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I thought he mopped up every ball knocked in. I did say that he was fresher than the others, but I still reckon he shone.

Lets see if he plays there again and see if he can do a repeat performance. After all, I seem to remember Adam Griffiths getting a few rave reviews too in the early days.
 

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and hes slow i think-all in all we can do better than someone who wasa part of the defence that relegated torquay to the conference last year

thorpes better off upfront (i hope) where hes the only option we currently have as target man
 

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I was very surprised to see Thorpe played at the back when our attack looked too lightweight, and we still had Heywood if we needed to give Sancho a rest.

Unless we've signed another big striker in the meantime, I'd be very worried if we had Thorpe at the back when he returns from suspension
 

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Hopefully another short term loan will be done this week, wouldnt feel too comfortable with Heywood there and judging by peoples opinion of Osborne in the pre season the two together could be quite comical.
 
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