Our Players

[NorthamptonBee]

Lee - Reliable and good
Logan - A real prospect
Karleigh - Has recently gone backwards but is a player
Eger - A two bob ordinary CB
Woodman - Ordinary and not up to this passing game
McGinn - Class player but needs help
Douglas - Decent engine, no end product, a bit of a pretend midfield battler
Dave - Lovely nutmegs and close control at times, normally in the wrong areas and little creativity
Bean - Works his ar£e off but not good enough
KOC - Honest utility player
Weston - Looked a prospect but now looks a lost cause
Llera - Ordinary
Adams - Flashes of brilliance and long periods of nothing, not a midfielder
Legge - Sorely missed
Donaldson - Talented, low on confidence, likes to play outside of the box when we need him inside at times
Grella - Few chances but hasn't grabbed them very well
Saunders - A luxury, great to watch at times and horrible at others with an excellent free kick on him
Wood - 100%er but good enough?
Forrester - Who?

A weak squad with no backbone, low on creativity with few goalscorers involved.

 

[detours]

How long till the 'Rosler.... is it time?' thread

 

[Beeky38]

You've not mentioned Reeves, who looked good early season.

 

[wayfarer172]

How long till the 'Rosler.... is it time?' thread

Time for what ?

 

[hanworthbee]

about time someone described Douglas as something rather than a fantastic player, he is an ordinary player who gives the ball away a lot

 

[EdEdd&Eddy]

Agree with most of that NB but I think you've been far too kind to Llera!

 

[Kingston Bee]

Concur with your findings NB, however that is not the full picture. Even with ordinary squads 'good' managers are able to bring the sum of parts together to produce an end product, know how to get the best from players and get them to out perform etc, I dont see that, and more worryingly I dont see lessons learned.

 

[Gosport Bee]

pretty much agree, only thing i would add. Reeves & Forrester are 2 young lads with potential, but Forrester never gets a game & Reeves has disappeared off the planet
BTW Llera = pants

 

[Houghton Bee]

pretty accurate assessment from northampton bee, cant wait for forrester to get fit so we can see what he can do. collectively the players are not good enough to challenge for much more then maybe the last play off place. this was my view at the start of the season and i stick by it. i dont believe in putting all the blame at the managers door, not really much he can do with a squad of players that really just arent good enough for the fans ambitions, some seem to think its easy to just ship players in and out willy nilly, which it isnt. i believe a fair few of the players from the pre-rosler era are out of contract in july, hopefully we can all have the patience to wait for them to be cleared out and the budget re-allocated to better quality players if we can get them in. it may mean 'taking one on the chin' this season and settling for mid table, i really cant see us getting any closer to the relegation spots, but we should also try looking at a long term vision rather then just short term.

keep the faith

 

[alikat]

pretty much agree, only thing i would add. Reeves & Forrester are 2 young lads with potential, but Forrester never gets a game & Reeves has disappeared off the planet
BTW Llera = pants

That's also being too kind to Llera. Can't we ship him back to Blackpool early and play ANYONE ELSE at centre half......(even Miles Weston )?

 

[Beesfan]

about time someone described Douglas as something rather than a fantastic player, he is an ordinary player who gives the ball away a lot

Agree, whenever i see him he has been awful. He was never the type of midfielder we needed.

 

[kewbee]

That's also being too kind to Llera. Can't we ship him back to Blackpool early and play ANYONE ELSE at centre half......(even Miles Weston )?

Overall very disappointed at the way the squad has evolved.To be frank virtually all of the additions to what was a very ordinary squad have either been injured or not yet lived up expectations.Logan and Reeves have been missed and I cannot comment on Forrester.Douglas,Eger,McGinn,Donaldson and Adams have all to varying degrees not turned out to be the players I expected them to be,and we were led to believe that a loan forward would be in place some weeks ago.Not having a credible replacement for Charlie Mac or Alexander has been crucial with Griela presumably not rated,which questions why he was signed.
All very sad as expectations pre season were as optimistic as I can remember in a long time.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Agree, whenever i see him he has been awful. He was never the type of midfielder we needed.

I like a lot of what he does but too often for me he goes missing when the game is crying out for a midfield general to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and take charge. He also is nowhere near as tough in the tackle as I'd hoped.

 

[Beesfan]

That's also being too kind to Llera. Can't we ship him back to Blackpool early and play ANYONE ELSE at centre half......(even Miles Weston )?

Can't we get Pim back, i'd have him over Llera any day.

 

[Grumpy old man]

From what i see of it , we have two wingers that are often played on the wrong side. neither crosses the ball, but that does not matter because there is never a forward in the box. We cannot afford the luxury of two wingers playing at the same time.

Douglas is one paced and that not fast but can pass and could create. The other two are not worthy of even a comment.

The centre forward has some potentail but is too isolated and has no support.

The tactics are wrong at present but this may be due to injuries and in hindsight the sale of MacDonald may have been a error - at least he did score occassionally.

Here endth the rant

 

[nick logan]

Can't we get Pim back, i'd have him over Llera any day.

Madness, every time i see Rochdales goals he is lying on the floor with twisted blood !

 

[sonofabee]

I like a lot of what he does but too often for me he goes missing when the game is crying out for a midfield general to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and take charge. He also is nowhere near as tough in the tackle as I'd hoped.

I agree Owlsmoor, I think he's tempered his game as used to have a bit of nasty about him, picked up lots of bookings but bossed games. This season I think he's been one of the successes by and large but hasn't dominated as much as I'd expected. When the team plays well he seems to play well but he hasn't rolled up his sleeves and led by example when things are going wrong so far.

Having said that he isn't the reason we're dropping points, it's a lack of goal threat and we desperately need to start playing with two forwards who will get in the box.

 

[Paul USA]

Llera would be a far better player if he knew which side of the player he is defending to be on. Far to often he was the wrong side last night and that causes him to foul the player or lose the player.

Gaffer Here - GPG.FC

 

[Balders Bee]

Llera would be a far better player if he knew which side of the player he is defending to be on. Far to often he was the wrong side last night and that causes him to foul the player or lose the player.

Gaffer Here - GPG.FC

True but let's be honest that's basic bread and butter for a professional plyer one would have thought. Classic example of this was half ay through the first half when he got wrong side of his striker and had the bloke in a head lock giving the ref no choice bt to blow up for a foul on the edge of the D in a dangerous position.

 

[Sheerwater Bee]

To be honest I never thought we'd be higher that just below the pay offs at best come the end of the season. With the players we've got including the crocked one's at the moment I'd be happy with assessment as i see this squad and style of play as work in progress. I'm confident that we will find some consistancy and bring some of our away form to GP. Anyone who thinks we should even be comtemplating changing manager needs their head examined. Yes, it's not great at the moment at GP but I'm confident things will improve.

 

[Houghton Bee]

To be honest I never thought we'd be higher that just below the pay offs at best come the end of the season. With the players we've got including the crocked one's at the moment I'd be happy with assessment as i see this squad and style of play as work in progress. I'm confident that we will find some consistancy and bring some of our away form to GP. Anyone who thinks we should even be comtemplating changing manager needs their head examined. Yes, it's not great at the moment at GP but I'm confident things will improve.

 

[Bill Benn]

Lee - Reliable and good
Logan - A real prospect
Karleigh - Has recently gone backwards but is a player
Eger - A two bob ordinary CB
Woodman - Ordinary and not up to this passing game
McGinn - Class player but needs help
Douglas - Decent engine, no end product, a bit of a pretend midfield battler
Dave - Lovely nutmegs and close control at times, normally in the wrong areas and little creativity
Bean - Works his ar£e off but not good enough
KOC - Honest utility player
Weston - Looked a prospect but now looks a lost cause
Llera - Ordinary
Adams - Flashes of brilliance and long periods of nothing, not a midfielder
Legge - Sorely missed
Donaldson - Talented, low on confidence, likes to play outside of the box when we need him inside at times
Grella - Few chances but hasn't grabbed them very well
Saunders - A luxury, great to watch at times and horrible at others with an excellent free kick on him
Wood - 100%er but good enough?
Forrester - Who?

A weak squad with no backbone, low on creativity with few goalscorers involved.

I agree with your assessment especially that we have a week squad,the majority that Uwe has inherited.Untill the January window opens and we have the chance to ship in and out players l am afraid we are going to struggle to keep in the top half of the table.l

 

[beebopalula]

Lee - Reliable and good
Logan - A real prospect
Karleigh - Has recently gone backwards but is a player
Eger - A two bob ordinary CB
Woodman - Ordinary and not up to this passing game
McGinn - Class player but needs help
Douglas - Decent engine, no end product, a bit of a pretend midfield battler
Dave - Lovely nutmegs and close control at times, normally in the wrong areas and little creativity
Bean - Works his ar£e off but not good enough
KOC - Honest utility player
Weston - Looked a prospect but now looks a lost cause
Llera - Ordinary
Adams - Flashes of brilliance and long periods of nothing, not a midfielder
Legge - Sorely missed
Donaldson - Talented, low on confidence, likes to play outside of the box when we need him inside at times
Grella - Few chances but hasn't grabbed them very well
Saunders - A luxury, great to watch at times and horrible at others with an excellent free kick on him
Wood - 100%er but good enough?
Forrester - Who?

A weak squad with no backbone, low on creativity with few goalscorers involved.

I think you could add some comments about other missing names too. You have outlined the scale of the challenge facing Uwe and it's huge. By and large, he has brought in better players although I've no idea what Grella or Forrester are capable of as yet. He's trying to change the style with some success and I applaud that as that is where we have to go but he's got a clutch of players who aren't footballers and it shows.I think some folk need to realise that it's a major overhaul task. Although MB is bankrolling us he isn't funding silly transfer fees which would probably be what's needed to get the likes of what we need. I'm hoping [ and I'm assuming this is the plan ] that the development squad can unearth a couple of good players or we unearth a gem from lower leagues as that's how I see the future for us. Shedloads of season left though.We need an injection of confidence at home more than anything else at the mo and to support Uwe. Some of the alternative names bandied about in summer re manager aren't exactly pulling up trees either.

 

[beebopalula]

How long till the 'Rosler.... is it time?' thread

You cannot be serious

 

[detours]

You cannot be serious

Does not signify that? The grumbling has clearly begun, NB has been starting threads all over the place. The warning signs are there :shrug:

 

[beebopalula]

Does not signify that? The grumbling has clearly begun, NB has been starting threads all over the place. The warning signs are there :shrug:

He's just pi**ed off [ understandably].

 

[condorman]

Perhaps the biggest disappointment for me is the fact that some of our midfield / attacking players dont really seem to want possession of the ball.

Someone (Dalglish?) once described Steve McManaman as the bravest footballer he knew because he always moved into space to recieve the ball and always wanted to keep the ball for his team.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Does not signify that? The grumbling has clearly begun, NB has been starting threads all over the place. The warning signs are there :shrug:

I never shouted for Scott out at any game, I stand by the fact that he was a horrible git and got longer than he should have, I think Uwe has messed up bigtime with his pony tactics and probably needs an Asst with him to bounce off as his masterplan is flawed. I said we were in trouble after the Wycombe win and how pissed I was with what I was watching, the sages on here questioned my agenda again, I said there was no longevity in winning the way we won and we would be found out. I think it was obvious back then, you backed Scott to the end, your history says that you shouldn't comment on managers IMO.with a back your way.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Blair Adams comes on and in 20 seconds offers more going forward that Woodman in the past few games, a couple of one twos and a great ball in with Marcus Bean ( totally the wrong fella ) our only player in the, why only one in the box when other teams always have a player lurking here and there and why Marcus? I will concede that BA did eff all after that lightening start.

 

[Beefletch]

Agree the cross was a good one(albeit to the wrong bloke) but 5 mins later he could'nt even throw the ball in FFS & then proceeded to "go missing" for the rest of the game.After seeing his performance against Huddersfield (he wasn't alone),I'm surprised to see him back in a Bees shirt so soon !

 

[SmiffyBee]

I never shouted for Scott out at any game, I stand by the fact that he was a horrible git and got longer than he should have, I think Uwe has messed up bigtime with his pony tactics and probably needs an Asst with him to bounce off as his masterplan is flawed. I said we were in trouble after the Wycombe win and how pissed I was with what I was watching, the sages on here questioned my agenda again, I said there was no longevity in winning the way we won and we would be found out. I think it was obvious back then, you backed Scott to the end, your history says that you shouldn't comment on managers IMO.with a back your way.

Watch Out Uwe !
The voice of the fans is stirring

 

[rebus]

Self appointed football genius I think they actually call it, Smiffy.

 

[Kingston Bee]

I never shouted for Scott out at any game, I stand by the fact that he was a horrible git and got longer than he should have, I think Uwe has messed up bigtime with his pony tactics and probably needs an Asst with him to bounce off as his masterplan is flawed. I said we were in trouble after the Wycombe win and how pissed I was with what I was watching, the sages on here questioned my agenda again, I said there was no longevity in winning the way we won and we would be found out. I think it was obvious back then, you backed Scott to the end, your history says that you shouldn't comment on managers IMO.with a back your way.

Fully agree NB, if you take the results out of the equation I can only count a handfull of decent performances in the league, and many of those were for only 20 or 30 minutes. Even when we beat LO 5-0 we were lucky until the second goal went in. As you point out over the longer term it was not the answer but instead of trying to find the solution to play better, dominate more, we have continued to play the same dull. boring way. It has only now become a problem for many on here because the results are going against us, but that was inevitable.......

 

[detours]

I never shouted for Scott out at any game, I stand by the fact that he was a horrible git and got longer than he should have, I think Uwe has messed up bigtime with his pony tactics and probably needs an Asst with him to bounce off as his masterplan is flawed. I said we were in trouble after the Wycombe win and how pissed I was with what I was watching, the sages on here questioned my agenda again, I said there was no longevity in winning the way we won and we would be found out. I think it was obvious back then, you backed Scott to the end, your history says that you shouldn't comment on managers IMO.with a back your way.

I backed Scott to the end, and so far it hasn't been conclusively proven that we replaced him with anyone better (Forster or Uwe) in terms of tactics or results. That is objectively true at this moment in time. But I don't want an argument about that so please no one take that bait.

A manager being a nasty git or not is superfluous to his ability to do the job. Likewise Uwe being a nice guy should win him no praise or hostility, let him be judged by the results.

As for my 'history' I appreciate that you are being tongue in cheek, but I would counter that I had a good reason to back AS, based on 2 and a half seasons of improvement under his management. Uwe doesn't have the luxury of a decent track record with us unfortunately, so if or when it starts to go tits up it will be much easier to go over to the insurgents.

I sincerely hope it doesn't get to that stage as I still think Uwe is the right man for the job. But as I say the grumbling has started, and based on your history fishing I know you are an early barometer for manager popularity!

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Self appointed football genius I think they actually call it, Smiffy.

No mate, I have eyes, that's all, was that your famous 4-3-3 again last night?
You were silly to say that at the start of the campaign, I wonder if I can make you say it again?

 

[stevil]

I backed Scott to the end, and so far it hasn't been conclusively proven that we replaced him with anyone better (Forster or Uwe) in terms of tactics or results. That is objectively true at this moment in time. But I don't want an argument about that so please no one take that bait.

How can that be objectively true?! I tried to find out by crossing into the parallel dimension where AS is still Manager, but the Doctor wouldn't let me in...

 

[beebopalula]

Fully agree NB, if you take the results out of the equation I can only count a handfull of decent performances in the league, and many of those were for only 20 or 30 minutes. Even when we beat LO 5-0 we were lucky until the second goal went in. As you point out over the longer term it was not the answer but instead of trying to find the solution to play better, dominate more, we have continued to play the same dull. boring way. It has only now become a problem for many on here because the results are going against us, but that was inevitable.......

Northampton has set out in his assessment of the players [ with a few missed off e.g Spills,Pim] , a pretty good assessment of the playing staff although I rate Douglas higher. That's the challenge facing Uwe and we shouldn't underrate it. IMO his problem is that the players can't deliver as a collective what he wants. He's said he will switch to 4-4-2 on saturday. I have great faith that he's going in the right direction ably supported by Farrell. We'll get there.

 

[RodBee]

Surely it is deeper than the original estimations?

We are playing one up front at home when we patently need two players. As a result Clayton is on his own with no-one to pass/head the ball to nor anyone to give him the same type of service.

We have two wingers who run and run and eventually lose the ball.

The opposition close us down so the short passes from the bank, obviously favoured by Uwe, have to be passed with increasing speed eventually resulting in a rushed and hurried boot up field - which could have been done in the first place without endangering our own goal.

We have height in the side yet corners either fail to beat the first defender or are kicked so far that they are beyond the furthest players.

Douglas blasts every free kick from 35 yards or nearer and they either crash into the wall or travel straight to the keeper as he does not put a swerve on it.

We have no midfield play-maker

Just 3 goals and two points from our last 6 home games is dire - we have not played any decent football at home since half time in the Colchester game.

I must be honest and say that Uwe's appointment did not excite me or fill me with confidence. To date he has shown nothing by his tactics to persuade me to change my mind.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Northampton has set out in his assessment of the players [ with a few missed off e.g Spills,Pim] , a pretty good assessment of the playing staff although I rate Douglas higher. That's the challenge facing Uwe and we shouldn't underrate it. IMO his problem is that the players can't deliver as a collective what he wants. He's said he will switch to 4-4-2 on saturday. I have great faith that he's going in the right direction ably supported by Farrell. We'll get there.

I hope you are right, and I accept that its a learning curve etc etc, my main concern in all of this is that last night was just the very latest in a long line of poor performances. If I was being measured on my performance at work my boss would have wanted to see some progress in my understanding of the problem(s) and my implementation of a solution(s). I have not see this as I still see similar issues (in some cases they have got worse) that we had at Wycombe away, Tranmere at home etc etc 10 or so games ago. We are still playing just one up front, we are not getting players in the box etc etc. When I start to see some answers to these problems (performances not results) I will start to believe you.

 

[detours]

How can that be objectively true?! I tried to find out by crossing into the parallel dimension where AS is still Manager, but the Doctor wouldn't let me in...

We finished one place lower with Forster in charge than the previous season with Scott.

After 15 games with Scott last season we were 3 points behind our current league position under Rosler.

I think it is objectively true that as of this moment Forster or Uwe have not conclusively proven to be better (in any quantifiable way) than Scott. No need for a Tardis to make that judgement.

 

[SCBee]

I like a lot of what he does but too often for me he goes missing when the game is crying out for a midfield general to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and take charge. He also is nowhere near as tough in the tackle as I'd hoped.

That's spot on for me too. He's also slower than he looks getting about the pitch.

 

[beebopalula]

I hope you are right, and I accept that its a learning curve etc etc, my main concern in all of this is that last night was just the very latest in a long line of poor performances. If I was being measured on my performance at work my boss would have wanted to see some progress in my understanding of the problem(s) and my implementation of a solution(s). I have not see this as I still see similar issues (in some cases they have got worse) that we had at Wycombe away, Tranmere at home etc etc 10 or so games ago. We are still playing just one up front, we are not getting players in the box etc etc. When I start to see some answers to these problems (performances not results) I will start to believe you.

I have no doubt that Uwe and Farrell work on precisely the things you mention. Once the players cross the line Uwe can't do much. I think he's persisted with a particular style but has probably now learned that his present squad doesn't have the ability [ yet] to deliver that style. Uwe is a smart guy and accepts publicly when he's got it wrong. He's said he'll change so let's see what unfolds on saturday. I think we'll win.

 

[KGB]

Tbf though, AS had had 3+ seasons to form his squad & create his playing style & even with a significantly improved budget we were going backwards.

We finished one place lower with Forster in charge than the previous season with Scott.

After 15 games with Scott last season we were 3 points behind our current league position under Rosler.

I think it is objectively true that as of this moment Forster or Uwe have not conclusively proven to be better (in any quantifiable way) than Scott. No need for a Tardis to make that judgement.

 

[SCBee]

Having said that he isn't the reason we're dropping points, it's a lack of goal threat and we desperately need to start playing with two forwards who will get in the box.

Yes, quite. Both in midfield and up front - at least at home -we carry about as little prospect of penetration as a coach load of eunuchs.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Yes, quite. Both in midfield and up front - at least at home -we carry about as little prospect of penetration as a coach load of eunuchs.

They have fingers and strap ons so offer much more than we do.

 

[beebopalula]

Tbf though, AS had had 3+ seasons to form his squad & create his playing style & even with a significantly improved budget we were going backwards.

Don't let the facts get in the way . To compare what we have now with the old regime simply proves that things start to look better looking back. The romance of coal fires [ it was Fu**ING freezing !!!]

 

[hanworthbee]

Adams has had 1 decent half and 1 good run last night.He has shown himself to be inadequate at defending compared to Woodman.

 

[Baltipie]

I personally think that we are missing Gary Alexander's work rate up top at the moment

 

[Paulo Bee]

Self appointed football genius I think they actually call it, Smiffy.

Oh yeah because last night was brilliant... At least he says it how it is and is honest.

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

Andy Scott signed players who were not up to this league. Now Uwe is paying the price it would seem as he cannot get them to play a more attractive style.

I will ultimately judge Rosler when he has HIS team playing. As it stands if I am sure if he was brutally honest in an ideal world he would move a good proportion of this squad on.
Next season will be more alarming for me if there is no real improvement as he would have had 2 summers to bring in his own players.