Player/Manager

[Jimbee]

Probably a question for either Chappers or WEB but without exercising the grey matter hard the only former players (other than Fitz) to manage Brentford are John Docherty and Steve Perryman. There are probably others but I can't be bothered to look it up.

So are there any others and if so who?

 

[Calne Bee]

Didn't Micky Adams play one game for us ?

 

[RoyalOakBee]

Probably a question for either Chappers or WEB but without exercising the grey matter hard the only former players (other than Fitz) to manage Brentford are John Docherty and Steve Perryman. There are probably others but I can't be bothered to look it up.

So are there any others and if so who?

As of December 16, 2006. Only competitive matches are counted.

Name Nat From To Record
P W D L Win %
William Lewis August 1900 May 1903
Dick Molyneux August 1903 May 1906
W G Brown August 1906 May 1908
Fred Halliday August 1908 May 1912
Ephraim Rhodes August 1912 May 1915
Fred Halliday August 1915 August 1921
Archie Mitchell August 1921 December 1922 60 22 13 25 37
Fred Halliday December 1924 May 1926 68 22 12 34 32
Harry Curtis May 1926 February 1949 705 305 157 243 43
Jackie Gibbons February 1949 August 1952 150 53 40 57 35
Jimmy Blain August 1952 January 1953 23 7 5 11 30
Tommy Lawton January 1953 September 1953 33 8 10 15 24
Bill Dodgin, Sr. October 1953 May 1957 182 65 57 60 36
Malcolm MacDonald May 1957 January 1965 379 160 94 125 42
Tommy Cavanagh January 1965 March 1966 46 16 10 20 35
Billy Gray 1 August 1966 30 August 1967 48 19 13 16 40
Jimmy Sirrel 1 September 1967 30 November 1969 111 45 26 40 41
Frank Blunstone 1 December 1969 11 July 1973 164 67 35 62 41
Mike Everitt 1 September 1973 15 January 1975 70 21 22 27 30
John Docherty 20 January 1975 7 September 1976 69 23 20 26 33
Bill Dodgin, Jr. 16 September 1976 1 March 1980 166 71 35 60 43
Fred Callaghan 1 March 1980 2 February 1984 176 59 52 65 32
Frank Blunstone 2 February 1984 9 February 1984 1 0 0 1 0
Frank McLintock 9 February 1984 1 January 1987 151 51 43 57 34
Steve Perryman 1 January 1987 15 August 1990 182 71 48 63 39
Phil Holder 24 August 1990 11 May 1993 158 66 33 59 41
David Webb 17 May 1993 4 August 1997 216 85 65 66 39
Eddie May 5 August 1997 5 November 1997 20 5 5 10 25
Micky Adams 5 November 1997 1 July 1998 33 7 15 11 21
Ron Noades 1 July 1998 20 November 2000 130 51 33 46 39
Ray Lewington 20 November 2000 7 May 2001 37 14 11 12 38
Steve Coppell 8 May 2001 5 June 2002 54 27 12 15 50
Wally Downes 28 June 2002 14 March 2004 97 29 22 46 30
Martin Allen 18 March 2004 30 May 2006 124 54 36 34 44
Leroy Rosenior 14 June 2006 18 November 2006 23 3 10 10 13
Scott Fitzgerald 18 November 2006 Present 4 0 1 3 0

take your pick and google

 

[Calne Bee]

former players

oops ... missed that bit!

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

As of December 16, 2006. Only competitive matches are counted.

Name Nat From To Record
P W D L Win %
William Lewis August 1900 May 1903
Dick Molyneux August 1903 May 1906
W G Brown August 1906 May 1908
Fred Halliday August 1908 May 1912
Ephraim Rhodes August 1912 May 1915
Fred Halliday August 1915 August 1921
Archie Mitchell August 1921 December 1922 60 22 13 25 37
Fred Halliday December 1924 May 1926 68 22 12 34 32
Harry Curtis May 1926 February 1949 705 305 157 243 43
Jackie Gibbons February 1949 August 1952 150 53 40 57 35
Jimmy Blain August 1952 January 1953 23 7 5 11 30
Tommy Lawton January 1953 September 1953 33 8 10 15 24
Bill Dodgin, Sr. October 1953 May 1957 182 65 57 60 36
Malcolm MacDonald May 1957 January 1965 379 160 94 125 42
Tommy Cavanagh January 1965 March 1966 46 16 10 20 35
Billy Gray 1 August 1966 30 August 1967 48 19 13 16 40
Jimmy Sirrel 1 September 1967 30 November 1969 111 45 26 40 41
Frank Blunstone 1 December 1969 11 July 1973 164 67 35 62 41
Mike Everitt 1 September 1973 15 January 1975 70 21 22 27 30
John Docherty 20 January 1975 7 September 1976 69 23 20 26 33
Bill Dodgin, Jr. 16 September 1976 1 March 1980 166 71 35 60 43
Fred Callaghan 1 March 1980 2 February 1984 176 59 52 65 32
Frank Blunstone 2 February 1984 9 February 1984 1 0 0 1 0
Frank McLintock 9 February 1984 1 January 1987 151 51 43 57 34
Steve Perryman 1 January 1987 15 August 1990 182 71 48 63 39
Phil Holder 24 August 1990 11 May 1993 158 66 33 59 41
David Webb 17 May 1993 4 August 1997 216 85 65 66 39
Eddie May 5 August 1997 5 November 1997 20 5 5 10 25
Micky Adams 5 November 1997 1 July 1998 33 7 15 11 21
Ron Noades 1 July 1998 20 November 2000 130 51 33 46 39
Ray Lewington 20 November 2000 7 May 2001 37 14 11 12 38
Steve Coppell 8 May 2001 5 June 2002 54 27 12 15 50
Wally Downes 28 June 2002 14 March 2004 97 29 22 46 30
Martin Allen 18 March 2004 30 May 2006 124 54 36 34 44
Leroy Rosenior 14 June 2006 18 November 2006 23 3 10 10 13
Scott Fitzgerald 18 November 2006 Present 4 0 1 3 0

take your pick and google

Interesting list - I didn't remember Blunstone coming back for one game! (I assume it was meant to be a temp appointment)

Can't be bothered to Google them, but since the 1960s, I think Perryman was the only one who was actually player-manager for a while, and he, Docherty and Fitz the only ones who had been players here before being managers. I think Adams played one game in the LDV or whatever it was called then, picking himself as we were short of players

 

[North London Bee]

Lawton and Gibbons perhaps ?

 

[I Predict A Riot]

Probably a question for either Chappers

Don't bother with Chapman. He's lost it. The amount of Brentford questions I've asked him and he doesn't know the answer to. Rubbish!

 

[Jimbee]

lol I bet he can reel of Fulham's list of managers since the year dot.

 

[YorkshireBeeAng]

Probably a question for either Chappers or WEB but without exercising the grey matter hard the only former players (other than Fitz) to manage Brentford are John Docherty and Steve Perryman. There are probably others but I can't be bothered to look it up.

So are there any others and if so who?

If you remembered John Docherty, how could you have forgotten Billy Dodgin???

 

[The H]

10 managers in 9 years............ get a f**king grip Brentford....

 

[rebus]

Don't bother with Chapman. He's lost it. The amount of Brentford questions I've asked him and he doesn't know the answer to. Rubbish!

lol lol

Out of that list Archie Mitchell, Jackie Gibbons, Tommy Lawton, Malcolm MacDonald and Jimmy Bain played for us.

Geroge Parsonage was mananger too but has been missed off the list.

PS YorkshireBeeAng - Bill Dogin didn't play for Brentford.

 

[Simon C]

:computer:

 

[rebus]

:computer:

Hungover but still a statto.

 

[I Predict A Riot]

Hungover but still a loser.

 

[Simon C]

lol

 

[rebus]

Screw the lot of you!

 

[LostBee]

10 managers in 9 years............ get a f**king grip Brentford....

Although Im sure we would have kept Lewington,Coppell and Allen given half a chance.

And the rest of the managers in that period were absolute sh*t.

 

[Jimbee]

Webb wasn't a sh*t manager. :scratch:

 

[LostBee]

Webb wasn't a sh*t manager. :scratch:

That **** is dead to me

 

[Jimbee]

I agree, but it doesn't make him a sh*t manager, just a ****ing ****.

 

[itchybowwow]

As of December 16, 2006. Only competitive matches are counted.

Name Nat From To Record
P W D L Win %
.....
Fred Callaghan 1 March 1980 2 February 1984 176 59 52 65 32
Frank Blunstone 2 February 1984 9 February 1984 1 0 0 1 0
Frank McLintock 9 February 1984 1 January 1987 151 51 43 57 34
Steve Perryman 1 January 1987 15 August 1990 182 71 48 63 39
Phil Holder 24 August 1990 11 May 1993 158 66 33 59 41
David Webb 17 May 1993 4 August 1997 216 85 65 66 39
Eddie May 5 August 1997 5 November 1997 20 5 5 10 25
Micky Adams 5 November 1997 1 July 1998 33 7 15 11 21
Ron Noades 1 July 1998 20 November 2000 130 51 33 46 39
Ray Lewington 20 November 2000 7 May 2001 37 14 11 12 38
Steve Coppell 8 May 2001 5 June 2002 54 27 12 15 50
Wally Downes 28 June 2002 14 March 2004 97 29 22 46 30
Martin Allen 18 March 2004 30 May 2006 124 54 36 34 44
Leroy Rosenior 14 June 2006 18 November 2006 23 3 10 10 13
Scott Fitzgerald 18 November 2006 Present 4 0 1 3 0

take your pick and google

Surely if Frank Blunstone is recognised for his 1 game in charge then Garry Thompson should be listed between Wally and MA for his 1 game stint?

 

[rebus]

Surely if Frank Blunstone is recognised for his 1 game in charge then Garry Thompson should be listed between Wally and MA for his 1 game stint?

Yes, but who has the final say on this list. Blunstone was only a caretaker in 1984 and the same went for Thompson.

 

[Downbeat Bee]

Yes, but who has the final say on this list. Blunstone was only a caretaker in 1984 and the same went for Thompson.

If Dickens and Dyke were around in 2004 I reckon they would have appointed Thompson as manager

 

[Wise old Bee]

Mike Everitt won 21 games? Didn't seem like it at the time.

 

[RoyalOakBee]

Mike Everitt won 21 games? Didn't seem like it at the time.

I was a kid fan in the days of Bluntstone and Everitt and dont really remember either but did John Docherty not have two spells in charge?
or am I confusing him coming back as assistant to McLintock?

And for the Chelsea haters out there a question
Who was Bil Dodgin Jr Assistant Manager?

 

[Billy Hunt]

And for the Chelsea haters out there a question
Who was Bil Dodgin Jr Assistant Manager?

Kerry Dixon?

Jose Mourinho?

Ken Bates?

Oh, hang on, I'm not a Chelsea hater. I shouldn't have answered. Sorry.

 

[RoyalOakBee]

Kerry Dixon?

Jose Mourinho?

Ken Bates?

Oh, hang on, I'm not a Chelsea hater. I shouldn't have answered. Sorry.

No need to apologise nor am I.
In fact in 36 years supporting the Bees I only heard chants against Chelsea since they became Champions hence the in my post.
The answer is Tommy Baldwin and I was going to put his name on the "Famous People You Have Met" thread except that when a good friend and team mate introduced him to me, as an orderly queue formed in front of him for autographs and hand shakes, I had no idea that he was a Chelsea legend and was not impressed by him at all.
It was only when he told me of being No2 to Dodgin that he went up in my estimation. That and the Andy McCulloch / Jack Charlton story..........lol

 

[Billy Hunt]

That and the Andy McCulloch / Jack Charlton story..........lol

Tell us this story.

Go on.

Please.

 

[Jimbee]

If Dickens and Dyke were around in 2004 I reckon they would have appointed Thompson as manager

Why? They sacked Mortimer didn't they?

 

[Downbeat Bee]

Why? They sacked Mortimer didn't they?

Fair point. Who was the Youth manager then?

 

[abee]

Tell us this story.

Go on.

Please.

I assume that it's the one in Jack Charlton's autobiography.

The Sheff Wed board agreed internally to pay Brentford £90k for Andy Mac and told Jack Charlton to make the offer. Jack Charlton decided to "try it on" off his own back, phoned Brentford and offered £65k to see what the reaction was. His Assistant Manager was Maurice Setters and they were concerned that as the board had approved an offer of £90k they would lose Andy Mc through trying to be clever and the Sheff Wed board would be hacked off with them. Jack Charlton and Setters sat in Charltons office and decided to give it an hour. Charlton said he told Setters "Don't let me phone Brentford for one hour but after that I'm gonna do the full £90k". Before the hour was up Dan Tana (I think it was) phoned him back and said that he accepted the £65k.

So nothing ever changes........we dropped £25k (which was a lot of dosh then) 'cos nobody at BFC ever knows how to play hardball......'cos it's never their money that's going down the pipe is it. Jack Charlton is on record as saying that Andy Mac was the last piece in his jigsaw, was the best value for money signing that he had ever made and he couldn't believe that Brentford let him go for £65k

 

[Billy Hunt]

I assume that it's the one in Jack Charlton's autobiography.

The Sheff Wed board agreed internally to pay Brentford £90k for Andy Mac and told Jack Charlton to make the offer. Jack Charlton decided to "try it on" off his own back, phoned Brentford and offered £65k to see what the reaction was. His Assistant Manager was Maurice Setters and they were concerned that as the board had approved an offer of £90k they would lose Andy Mc through trying to be clever and the Sheff Wed board would be hacked off with them. Jack Charlton and Setters sat in Charltons office and decided to give it an hour. Charlton said he told Setters "Don't let me phone Brentford for one hour but after that I'm gonna do the full £90k". Before the hour was up Dan Tana (I think it was) phoned him back and said that he accepted the £65k.

So nothing ever changes........we dropped £25k (which was a lot of dosh then) 'cos nobody at BFC ever knows how to play hardball......'cos it's never their money that's going down the pipe is it. Jack Charlton is on record as saying that Andy Mac was the last piece in his jigsaw, was the best value for money signing that he had ever made and he couldn't believe that Brentford let him go for £65k

:no:

 

[RoyalOakBee]

I assume that it's the one in Jack Charlton's autobiography.

The Sheff Wed board agreed internally to pay Brentford £90k for Andy Mac and told Jack Charlton to make the offer. Jack Charlton decided to "try it on" off his own back, phoned Brentford and offered £65k to see what the reaction was. His Assistant Manager was Maurice Setters and they were concerned that as the board had approved an offer of £90k they would lose Andy Mc through trying to be clever and the Sheff Wed board would be hacked off with them. Jack Charlton and Setters sat in Charltons office and decided to give it an hour. Charlton said he told Setters "Don't let me phone Brentford for one hour but after that I'm gonna do the full £90k". Before the hour was up Dan Tana (I think it was) phoned him back and said that he accepted the £65k.

So nothing ever changes........we dropped £25k (which was a lot of dosh then) 'cos nobody at BFC ever knows how to play hardball......'cos it's never their money that's going down the pipe is it. Jack Charlton is on record as saying that Andy Mac was the last piece in his jigsaw, was the best value for money signing that he had ever made and he couldn't believe that Brentford let him go for £65k

half the story....
Brentford wanted him back after he fell foul of Charlton and decided that they would approach him on the QT as they were pissed off that J. Charlton had put one over on them. So Andy Mc was approached when Sheff Wed were in London overnight for a game. However they were spotted talking to him in hotel lobby and the news was relayed back to JC.
With the good news that Andy Mc was interested in coming back, Brentford approached JC and Sheff Wed with a cheeky under valued offer only to be told that Charlton had been waitin for the offer and agreed on the price offered by the Bees much to our surprise only on the condition that he was sold to any of the other 91 clubs in the league with the sole exception of Brentford FC. Dodgin/Baldwin lost their jobs soon after!
So we f@*ked up twice it seems!

 

[Jimbee]

Fair point. Who was the Youth manager then?

Geoff Taylor I think who MA got rid of to put Fitz in charge instead.

 

[Billy Hunt]

half the story....
Brentford wanted him back after he fell foul of Charlton and decided that they would approach him on the QT as they were pissed off that J. Charlton had put one over on them. So Andy Mc was approached when Sheff Wed were in London overnight for a game. However they were spotted talking to him in hotel lobby and the news was relayed back to JC.
With the good news that Andy Mc was interested in coming back, Brentford approached JC and Sheff Wed with a cheeky under valued offer only to be told that Charlton had been waitin for the offer and agreed on the price offered by the Bees much to our surprise only on the condition that he was sold to any of the other 91 clubs in the league with the sole exception of Brentford FC. Dodgin/Baldwin lost their jobs soon after!
So we f@*ked up twice it seems!

**** ****ity **** ****.

I'm going to bed.:sad:

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

go to bed billy hunt. :alcoholic :alcoholic :alcoholic :alcoholic

 

[Beat Poet]

Geroge Parsonage was mananger too but has been missed off the list.

Was just skipping through old programmes and the one versus Luton in August 1996 has a feature which says yes he did have a player/manager spell in 1907/08. Shouldn't the manager lists be updated to reflect this?

 

[Bungy Bee]

Jimmy Bloomfield as well.......You Reds...