Player Power

[badgerbee]

Obviously lots of discussion on here about the current situation and people nailing their colours to the mast regarding Benham camp vs Warburton camp, but what about the reaction of the players in all this??

From the initial reaction on Tuesday (talk of orchestrated celebrations and the mobbing of Warbs when we scored) to the lack-lustre performance yesterday, their reaction to what's gone on will obviously shape the rest of the season (whether MW goes now or stays on). They would appear to be fully behind MW in this, but how much should we expect them to do a 'professional job' or are we happy to accept that they can call the tune (like we did when the end of the Andy Scott era was accelerated by the 'no show' at Dagenham..........)

As distracting to them as all this must surely be, it wouldn't be allowed to happen in any other workplace.........would it??..........

 

[Downbeat Bee]

The players like MW. If he goes it will be the 'King is dead long live the King' but some of those players won't be here anyway. The margins in a league like ours are so fine that a bit of uncertainty can make a difference not necessarily player power. Also remember we had two of our back four out and probably the best player this year injured. Add to that a slightly below par Jota and a defeat is hardly a result of 1970s industrial turmoil.

 

[badgerbee]

The players like MW. If he goes it will be the 'King is dead long live the King' but some of those players won't be here anyway. The margins in a league like ours are so fine that a bit of uncertainty can make a difference not necessarily player power. Also remember we had two of our back four out and probably the best player this year injured. Add to that a slightly below par Jota and a defeat is hardly a result of 1970s industrial turmoil.

Fair point and I'm not categorically stating that our lot have consciously decided to 'down tools'........but it definitely goes on within the football world in general. How often have we heard the phrase that the manager has 'lost the dressing room'?? All I know is that where I work, if I disagreed with my manager/the owner of the business and decided that I didn't fancy working to an acceptable standard, it wouldn't be the manager/owner who ended up suffering.........but I guess footballers are (for whatever reason) a bit different.........

 

[Stanley]

They are no different, a change of manager could mean a change of club and that means a life change for some of them so no surprise if it was on their minds yesterday and they lacked a bit of concentration. Its not about how many £££s they earn more that they are just human beings.

I often think Championship players are in a strange position as if they get their club promoted many/most are in effect doing themselves out of a job because in all likelihood clubs can (financially) and will spend on a host of new players, far more so than promotion form lower divisions. Some may think is it in their interests to actually get promoted?

MB is ambitious for the club and is seemingly always thinking ahead. He has demonstrated that he will buy for the next level if (when) we get there, the players know that and the events of last week have reinforced that nobody is irreplaceable .

 

[BURFORD BEE]

They are no different, a change of manager could mean a change of club and that means a life change for some of them so no surprise if it was on their minds yesterday and they lacked a bit of concentration. Its not about how many £££s they earn more that they are just human beings.

I often think Championship players are in a strange position as if they get their club promoted many/most are in effect doing themselves out of a job because in all likelihood clubs can (financially) and will spend on a host of new players, far more so than promotion form lower divisions. Some may think is it in their interests to actually get promoted?

MB is ambitious for the club and is seemingly always thinking ahead. He has demonstrated that he will buy for the next level if (when) we get there, the players know that and the events of last week have reinforced that nobody is irreplaceable .

Interesting point. There are probably only 5 or 6 in the current squad that could possibly make the jump and one of those is on loan.

 

[North London Bee]

Not so much player power but players need certainty and to know where they stand and who is in charge. Chaos rules at the moment and until a decision is made, and one that takes effect immediately nothing can or will change on the pitch.
Once something is decided matters will settle down

 

[Lush55]

Interesting point. There are probably only 5 or 6 in the current squad that could possibly make the jump and one of those is on loan.

No disrespect.......what 5 or 6 do you honestly think can hack it in the Prem?
I will start.......Button (Reserve Keeper) Pritchard (Reserve).....that's my thoughts.....(I can't comment on Macleod)
Not popping just discussing.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Not so much player power but players need certainty and to know where they stand and who is in charge. Chaos rules at the moment and until a decision is made, and one that takes effect immediately nothing can or will change on the pitch.
Once something is decided matters will settle down

Chaos reigns is too strong.
We did well against a decent Watford side. We played badly against Charlton.
I don't see any players too affected by the recent news releases and non news releases. Are they not professional and working for BFC ?

 

[Boscombe Bee]

Chaos reigns is too strong.
We did well against a decent Watford side. We played badly against Charlton.
I don't see any players too affected by the recent news releases and non news releases. Are they not professional and working for BFC ?

There has been a complete mood change between Watford and Charlton and the players will also have been speculating and talking amongst themselves about what is happening. I agree with NLB, once the situation has been concluded, only then things will die down. The players are professionals and they will be thinking about their own futures, and there will be some now who feel it will be away from Griffin Park

 

[larrysigny]

Not so much player power but players need certainty and to know where they stand and who is in charge. Chaos rules at the moment and until a decision is made, and one that takes effect immediately nothing can or will change on the pitch.
Once something is decided matters will settle down

Hopefully.

 

[SmiffyBee]

There has been a complete mood change between Watford and Charlton

On the GPG, yes.

Players are not training Monday.
I think we will see something major by the end of tomorrow on this.

 

[sonofabee]

On the GPG, yes.

Players are not training Monday..

They're all off to get their "Mark Warburton we want you to stay " tattoos that they plan to bear to the directors box when we next win. If they play like yesterday it'll be a pre season friendly and most won't be here.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

No disrespect.......what 5 or 6 do you honestly think can hack it in the Prem?
I will start.......Button (Reserve Keeper) Pritchard (Reserve).....that's my thoughts.....(I can't comment on Macleod)
Not popping just discussing.

I was being careful not to open myself to comments about being disrespectful to the current squad and that being tied in to my feelings about the current situation. I wasn't counting any players we have on loan. Button has continued to improve game on game so I think he could make the step up. Moses, Jota, Tarks all still very young and should continue to develop. Think there is a lot more to come from Dallas and Judge possibly could play at that level. Beyond that I struggle. Its the reason I think MB was right in his assessment

 

[Bolivian Rovers]

The player's in this and every situation look after themselves, no grey area on that, if they are with MW, they didn't show it yesterday.

 

[sonofabee]

No disrespect.......what 5 or 6 do you honestly think can hack it in the Prem?
I will start.......Button (Reserve Keeper) Pritchard (Reserve).....that's my thoughts.....(I can't comment on Macleod)
Not popping just discussing.

Maybe Tarkowski and Jota with players around them (Pritchard isn't ours). Button not ready yet as needs to command his box more but may make it.

 

[The Pipe]

Players are professionals and fully understand how the game works.

Whilst some like to play for a particular manager generally they are more concerned with who is paying the biggest bucks and which club is likely to be successful and improve their career options

Come the Summer some will go and some will stay irrespective if whether Warbs is the Manager

They have been unsettled this week, fairly natural, but I would expect them to be back to normal by Saturday, if not then perhaps they are not our future

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

On the GPG, yes.

Players are not training Monday.
I think we will see something major by the end of tomorrow on this.

lol....did you go to charlton yesterday?.....i defo noticed something .....ludicrous if you dont think the 2 are associated.....the players will have their opinions on whats going on and none of it is good for bfc at the moment till this whole sorry stinking affair has been resolved one way or the other

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Maybe Tarkowski and Jota with players around them (Pritchard isn't ours). Button not ready yet as needs to command his box more but may make it.

Sort of makes you think MB had a point n'est pas

 

[Robi Bee]

Definitely a connection in the showing yesterday and what's happened this week. Players are human after all and I suspect some may already thinking their future lies elsewhere. At the same time Championship players are well paid and they have a job to do. As we all know however, the usual rules of the workplace don't really apply in football, too often a law unto itself.

 

[buzzybees]

With a chance of promotion still possible I think it's madness to suggest the players wouldn't bother there arses for the remainder of the season.

 

[WarrenBee]

With a chance of promotion still possible I think it's madness to suggest the players wouldn't bother there arses for the remainder of the season.

Were you at Charlton?

 

[buzzybees]

Were you at Charlton?

Yes I was, stayed until the end.

 

[buzzybees]

It;s one of few games that we were totally off the pace.

 

[The Pipe]

Definitely a connection in the showing yesterday and what's happened this week. Players are human after all and I suspect some may already thinking their future lies elsewhere. At the same time Championship players are well paid and they have a job to do. As we all know however, the usual rules of the workplace don't really apply in football, too often a law unto itself.

Genuine question, you suggest players may be thinking of a future elsewhere why??? Most are contracted, maybe a change in Manager but that happens at most clubs every season. Really struggling to understand why you and others beleive that this will happen as generally changing manager makes little difference, a change of pay packet might!!

Can you elucidate please, ta

 

[tipsey]

Watford have had 4 managers this season not done them much harm

 

[Robi Bee]

Genuine question, you suggest players may be thinking of a future elsewhere why??? Most are contracted, maybe a change in Manager but that happens at most clubs every season. Really struggling to understand why you and others beleive that this will happen as generally changing manager makes little difference, a change of pay packet might!!

Can you elucidate please, ta

Pure speculation based on the performance on Sat, nothing more than that. Not sure "being contracted" means that much in football these days and there is much made of the bond between MW and the first team squad. Seems natural that, should he leave, some players will feel unsettled and will be considering their futures.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Pure speculation based on the performance on Sat, nothing more than that. Not sure "being contracted" means that much in football these days and there is much made of the bond between MW and the first team squad. Seems natural that, should he leave, some players will feel unsettled and will be considering their futures.

If that's the way any of them feel then I'm not sure that I would be that bothered if they went.