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It’s raised its head again, a Premier 2.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45811803

Brought to you by..........the Leeds United owner this time......lol

“Leeds United owner Andrea Radrizzani has called for the creation of a 'Premier League 2' to help Championship clubs receive more television revenue.

Leeds earned £7.5m in 2017 under the EFL television deal, compared to a guaranteed £100m for the team that finishes bottom of the Premier League.”
 

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It's the only way Leeds will get in the premier league. There is a conspiracy from the EFL to keep them in the championship as they make them lots of money don't you know.
 

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Basically he just wants Leeds to have more tv money, how noble of him
 

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What does PL2 actually entail? What would make it different to the Championship? Whether or not this is a good idea depends on the detail, surely?
 

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.............the Champions of Europe deserve that chance................
 

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What does PL2 actually entail? What would make it different to the Championship? Whether or not this is a good idea depends on the detail, surely?

Basically means they can do their own TV deals rather than have to share some of the money with the other 71 clubs
 

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Basically he just wants Leeds to have more tv money, how noble of him

Yes fully agree however, it would make no difference, that is their (and other similar clubs - we know them) answer to everything, when will they learn - think I have answered that one.
 

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Huh? Would they be in the league on their own? Who would they play?

Probably another 20 team league, I suspect they would want to do independent TV deals, similar to what used to happen in Spain but if not they would want a share of a new TV deal for the top 40 teams (Premier League 1 and 2) rather than a share for the bottom 72 Teams. (Championship, League 1 and 2).

Gets them a slice of money without having to get promoted.
 

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It’s raised its head again, a Premier 2.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45811803

Brought to you by..........the Leeds United owner this time......lol

“Leeds United owner Andrea Radrizzani has called for the creation of a 'Premier League 2' to help Championship clubs receive more television revenue.

Leeds earned £7.5m in 2017 under the EFL television deal, compared to a guaranteed £100m for the team that finishes bottom of the Premier League.”

IF he wants Lesds to get more money why doesnt he just add a few quid to ticket prices, job done.
 

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We'd want to be in it like a shot if it happened and don't think for a moment Benham or Smartodds wouldn't either.
 

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Problem is that you can bet your life if it were to happen it would be by invitation only not by existing league position as was originally suggested

Leeds Forrest Villa Derby both Sheffield clubs etc etc. The likes of Brentford would be a long way down the pecking order as would, should they be relegated, Bournemouth.

It is a worrying suggestion that could completely rip football apart
 

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Been done to death over the years (remember Bolton/Gartside and his no relegation PL2) and will never happen. Why would Sky give more money to PL2 than they currently do to the Championship which is a great league and why would the current PL clubs want to share out their money with a very subsidiary PL2?


This is a suggestion form a typical foreign owner who has no interest in our footballing traditions and probably has now realised the liabilities he has taken on and how hard it will be to get to the cash cow of the PL.
 

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Problem is that you can bet your life if it were to happen it would be by invitation only not by existing league position as was originally suggested

Leeds Forrest Villa Derby both Sheffield clubs etc etc. The likes of Brentford would be a long way down the pecking order as would, should they be relegated, Bournemouth.

It is a worrying suggestion that could completely rip football apart

i don't see that at all. it'll be done on merit, and we're a (recently established) part of the top 40 in the country now. can see it being a 20-team league with 3 up 3 down, and just a general hope of expanding the pot of TV money so that it covers all the clubs in PL1 & PL2, rather than the big discrepancy that there currently is between the two.

not sure it'll be "worth it" for enough people for momentum to really get behind it anyway, though.
 

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The new 5 year tv deal doesn't kick in till 2019, so feasibly a PL2 wouldn't be implemented until at least 2024. By that point Leeds will be back in League 1 so shouldn't effect them
 

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Been done to death over the years (remember Bolton/Gartside and his no relegation PL2) and will never happen. Why would Sky give more money to PL2 than they currently do to the Championship which is a great league and why would the current PL clubs want to share out their money with a very subsidiary PL2?


This is a suggestion form a typical foreign owner who has no interest in our footballing traditions and probably has now realised the liabilities he has taken on and how hard it will be to get to the cash cow of the PL.
In a nutshell!
 

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Benham basically said he'd support it in the last Q&A that was done on here. The response roughly being: "If it means more money for Brentford, then yes!"
 

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Talk sport were doing a bit on it, and all they kept harping on about was Leeds deserved it, bigger club, more tv views, blah blah blah............

Then they went on to say what would happen next? A Prem League 3? And would small clubs like Brentford have a right to be in Prem 2. f*****g idiots.
 

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Piece in Sunday Times today by Rod Liddle:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...league-2-minus-millwall-coming-soon-nw07668c9

Hasn't Liddle, like Samuels, got some history with us??............

Only that he wrongly tipped us to struggle last season.

In the article, he brackets us as ‘minnows’ alongside Rotherham and his own club Millwall. He goes on to mock the greed and sense of entitlement of big clubs like Leeds and Villa. On this issue, he’s on the side of the good guys.

Oh and he also slags off QPR and Birmingham for making a mockery of FFP rules. So, all in all, an excellent article.
 
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The best solution to all this is for us to get promoted to the EPL
 

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From today's Times - maybe put this thread into General Bees discussion given as a club we seem to be taking a stance against the proposal?

A majority of the Championship’s 24 clubs have written to the EFL threatening to form a breakaway league if the board signs a £590 million television deal with Sky Sports for the 2019-2024 seasons.

The Times has seen documents sent by 15 clubs to Debbie Jevans, the EFL interim chairwoman, last week in which they warn of “drastic action” if their demands to reject the proposed Sky deal and return to the market are not met.


The letter makes clear that they are threatening to leave the EFL by referencing an anonymous survey of 16 clubs conducted last Tuesday in which all those present were asked whether they would be willing to “leave the EFL and form a new League, eg PL2”.

Andrea Radrizzani, the Leeds United owner, called for the creation of a Premier League 2 last month and he is understood to be the driving force behind the clubs’ rebellion alongside Mel Morris, the Derby County owner.

In a letter sent by the EFL to all the Championship clubs last Friday updating them on the situation, the extent of the threat to the existing league structure is made clear. “While the letter received from a number of clubs only referred to ‘more drastic action’ if an agreement [with Sky] was reached, it was made clear during Tuesday’s meeting that the threat of a breakaway had been discussed,” the EFL wrote.

Earlier in the week the EFL had received the letter from 15 Championship clubs containing the threat of a breakaway. The letter spelt out the clubs’ opposition to “entering into a binding multi-year agreement with Sky” and their proposal to create “a new task force comprising certain Championship club owners and/or senior executives” to pursue a new commercial strategy.

In addition to the leading duo, the 15 signatories are believed to include Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion, Norwich City, Reading, Preston North End, Nottingham Forest, Middlesbrough, Swansea City and Birmingham City, with smaller clubs such as Rotherham United and Millwall siding with the EFL. Brentford are understood to be the only club of the 16 who attended the meeting not to support the threat to leave the EFL.

The Championship rebels believe that the deal on offer from Sky, which at £119 million per year is an increase on the existing contract of £88 million a season, undervalues their television rights and they want the EFL to reopen the tender process.

Such is the strength of feeling that 16 Championship clubs met in secret last Tuesday morning before a planned meeting with the EFL later that day.

The organisers of the first meeting insist that all 24 Championship clubs were invited, with some choosing not to attend, while others have claimed that they were lured to the meeting under false pretences.

“A significant number of Championship clubs who deliver the majority of the EFL TV audiences were sufficiently concerned about signing this agreement that they felt compelled to convene outside the formal meeting,” the clubs wrote to the EFL. “Furthermore, in this meeting — when surveyed anonymously — almost all attendees expressed the view that if the EFL were unwilling to give these clubs more involvement in the process of commercialising their rights, they would, in extremis, be forced to contemplate more drastic action.”

The survey contained nine multiple-choice questions, with question five asking: “If the only way to control our future direction as a league, achieve fair value for our media rights and league sponsorship deals required us to leave the EFL and form a new League, eg PL2, would you be in support?” The responses available were “a. No, we would not support a breakaway league under any circumstances” and “b. Yes, we would support a breakaway league if it was necessary/advantageous.”

Derby and Leeds are thought to be the two clubs leading the rebellion
Derby and Leeds are thought to be the two clubs leading the rebellion
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Hammering home their intentions, question six asked: “If you answered no to supporting a breakaway league, but the majority of Championship clubs proceeded to create a breakaway league which adequately addressed the frustrations, concerns, media/sponsorship rights revenues and governances issues discussed, would you then change your stance?” Again the choice of answers was stark, being “a. No, we would still remain with the EFL” and “b. Yes, we would join the breakaway league if it offered better terms and conditions”.

The EFL held an emergency meeting on Monday with all the Championship clubs, which broke up without resolution. The EFL has secured an extension to its provisional agreement with Sky until next week, but the contract must be signed by 4pm on Monday, with the broadcaster understood to be concerned by the stand-off.

The EFL board has the authority to sign the contract without the support of the biggest Championship clubs, as those in League One and League Two are all in favour. While they are planning for both scenarios, they have made it clear that their preference remains to complete the deal with Sky, which was provisionally agreed in September 2017.

There is no other offer on the table from any other broadcaster. The contract is due to start next season.

The disgruntled Championship clubs have yet to contact the Premier League, who would have to endorse the creation of a PL2 and sanction promotion and relegation. The Premier League is believed to be opposed to such a project.
 

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I read this on another club's fan site the other day. Presumably the argument is they feel the current system is too democratic and spreads the money that they mainly generate too widely.
and/or
A smaller league could have more valuable matches between "top" sides and therefore increase the overall value of the deal. 16 teams could play 3 times vs. 15 opponents perhaps? That 16 team number seems random based on who was actually at the meeting.

The lack of PL interest in allowing promotion to it surely means this is no more than posturing for a better deal from the football league for now. Not one of those clubs would favour a closed shop over the status quo.
allegedly(a) invited ("under false pretences" perhaps, per the article) and (b) were the only team opposed.
 

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Not sure who I dislike more.....Leeds United or Piers Morgan.
 

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So would the 15 ‘rebels’ make up the PL2 or start a new league just for them?
 

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So would the 15 ‘rebels’ make up the PL2 or start a new league just for them?
Can't for the life of me see how/why the PL1 would agree to a PL2 - esp when their (self-appointed) "Big Five" don't even much want PL1 these days!

In the end, it's all about the money. The Big Five don't want to share it with the rest of the PL1- hence their talk of a European Super League.

Meanwhile, they and the rest of the PL1 don't want to share it with the PL2/Championship - hence no enthusiasm for a PL2.

And the Championship don't want to share it with Lges 1 and 2 - hence the 16's talk of their own breakaway.
 

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Some more "meat on the bones" here - http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2018/11/13/efl-championship-clubs-threaten-breakaway-unless-get-bigger-share-600m-sky-cash/

"A row has broken out over English Football League TV rights with 15 tier two Championship clubs claiming the rights should be worth more, claiming a bigger share of the TV deal and threatening to breakaway from the EFL unless they receive the money.
Clubs leading the way with the threatened breakaway include Leeds United (owned by Andrea Radrizzani), Aston Villa and Derby County. Radrizzani was previously a principal in the TV sports rights agency MP & Silva which in the last few weeks went spectacularly bankrupt.
The new five-year deal with Sky was due to be signed off last month, and is worth £119 million annually, compared to the £90 million value of the current contract.
Championship clubs under the current proposal would get £2.95 million each per season, with a further £17.7 million allocated via appearance fees. But the breakaway clubs are saying they should be getting double that figure.
League One and League Two clubs have already given their backing to the deal which would see their payments increase increased from a basic £708,000 and £492,000 respectively to £884,000 and £613,000 per season."



Meanwhile, I wonder who this particular Chairman was?

One Football League chairman quoted by The Sun newspaper said: “I am not completely sure what the agenda of these 15 clubs is but their bullying tactics beggars belief.
“They are certainly not interested in the wider good of the Football League clubs, only their own situations.
“I am told the Premier League are not interested in linking up with them and I’m not sure how any new stand-alone league would work.
“What these clubs don’t seem to be taking into account is that 35 per cent of the Sky money is for the Carabao Cup and they won’t be eligible for that.
“What should have happened is that the League should have told these clubs to get lost.”


The implication is that this particular 'Chairman' (Owner?) is not foreign, so one from nine rather narrows it down to a handful, esp if he was also at the meeting of the 16!
 

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Some more "meat on the bones" here - http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2018/11/13/efl-championship-clubs-threaten-breakaway-unless-get-bigger-share-600m-sky-cash/

"A row has broken out over English Football League TV rights with 15 tier two Championship clubs claiming the rights should be worth more, claiming a bigger share of the TV deal and threatening to breakaway from the EFL unless they receive the money.
Clubs leading the way with the threatened breakaway include Leeds United (owned by Andrea Radrizzani), Aston Villa and Derby County. Radrizzani was previously a principal in the TV sports rights agency MP & Silva which in the last few weeks went spectacularly bankrupt.
The new five-year deal with Sky was due to be signed off last month, and is worth £119 million annually, compared to the £90 million value of the current contract.
Championship clubs under the current proposal would get £2.95 million each per season, with a further £17.7 million allocated via appearance fees. But the breakaway clubs are saying they should be getting double that figure.
League One and League Two clubs have already given their backing to the deal which would see their payments increase increased from a basic £708,000 and £492,000 respectively to £884,000 and £613,000 per season."



Meanwhile, I wonder who this particular Chairman was?

One Football League chairman quoted by The Sun newspaper said: “I am not completely sure what the agenda of these 15 clubs is but their bullying tactics beggars belief.
“They are certainly not interested in the wider good of the Football League clubs, only their own situations.
“I am told the Premier League are not interested in linking up with them and I’m not sure how any new stand-alone league would work.
“What these clubs don’t seem to be taking into account is that 35 per cent of the Sky money is for the Carabao Cup and they won’t be eligible for that.
“What should have happened is that the League should have told these clubs to get lost.”


The implication is that this particular 'Chairman' (Owner?) is not foreign, so one from nine rather narrows it down to a handful, esp if he was also at the meeting of the 16!

Does it state championship? Cause Accy chairman had been very vocal about greedy owners
 

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It’s all bollo and the idea is going nowhere, fast. These supposed breakaway clubs have very little leverage. Seems like one or two new owners have realised they have bitten more off than they can chew financially by taking over their clubs.
 

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Some more "meat on the bones" here - http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2018/11/13/efl-championship-clubs-threaten-breakaway-unless-get-bigger-share-600m-sky-cash/

"A row has broken out over English Football League TV rights with 15 tier two Championship clubs claiming the rights should be worth more, claiming a bigger share of the TV deal and threatening to breakaway from the EFL unless they receive the money.
Clubs leading the way with the threatened breakaway include Leeds United (owned by Andrea Radrizzani), Aston Villa and Derby County. Radrizzani was previously a principal in the TV sports rights agency MP & Silva which in the last few weeks went spectacularly bankrupt.
The new five-year deal with Sky was due to be signed off last month, and is worth £119 million annually, compared to the £90 million value of the current contract.
Championship clubs under the current proposal would get £2.95 million each per season, with a further £17.7 million allocated via appearance fees. But the breakaway clubs are saying they should be getting double that figure.
League One and League Two clubs have already given their backing to the deal which would see their payments increase increased from a basic £708,000 and £492,000 respectively to £884,000 and £613,000 per season."



Meanwhile, I wonder who this particular Chairman was?

One Football League chairman quoted by The Sun newspaper said: “I am not completely sure what the agenda of these 15 clubs is but their bullying tactics beggars belief.
“They are certainly not interested in the wider good of the Football League clubs, only their own situations.
“I am told the Premier League are not interested in linking up with them and I’m not sure how any new stand-alone league would work.
“What these clubs don’t seem to be taking into account is that 35 per cent of the Sky money is for the Carabao Cup and they won’t be eligible for that.
“What should have happened is that the League should have told these clubs to get lost.”


The implication is that this particular 'Chairman' (Owner?) is not foreign, so one from nine rather narrows it down to a handful, esp if he was also at the meeting of the 16!

I’d be extremely surprised if it was MB, if that’s what you’re driving at. Far more likely to be someone from Leagues one or two.

As above, the Accrington chairman is a good bet.
 

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I’d be extremely surprised if it was MB, if that’s what you’re driving at. Far more likely to be someone from Leagues one or two.

As above, the Accrington chairman is a good bet.

If he was at the meeting of 16 he can only be from a Championship club and will be the one that voted against. Could be Cliff or Mr B.
 

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If he was at the meeting of 16 he can only be from a Championship club and will be the one that voted against. Could be Cliff or Mr B.

The article said ‘a football league Chairman’. Read the quote and ask yourself 1) if that sounds like MB and 2) if MB strikes as someone in the business of providing rent-a-gob quotes to The Sun, particularly this week of all weeks.

It ain’t him.
 
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The article said ‘a football league Chairman’. Read the quote and ask yourself 1) if that sounds like MB and 2) if MB strikes as someone in the business of providing rent-a-gob quotes to The Sun, particularly this week of all weeks.

It ain’t him.

I agree it doesn't sound like Mr B particularly as he is not the chairman. He is owner. Cliff on the other hand is chairman.
 

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Matthew Benham doesn't talk in that style really....so it wouldn't be him. Accy or possibly Peterborough's would be my guess.

The breakaway Prem 2 won't happen. As stated the Prem don't want to share their money anyway, let alone to 16-20 new clubs, as there will be little if any benefit for them. The clubs don't have as much power as they thought, and it possibly may work in our favour to not be backing these proposals IMO.

Changes do need to happen, I agree with that....But it's all self interest why the clubs want to break away, rather than it being beneficial for the game on the whole. I'm up for reform that boosts the long term interests of the game but I don't think this would be it, at all...
 

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Further update/background on the threatened EPL "breakaway":

The English Football League has agreed a controversial new television rights deal with Sky Sports, worth £595m.

The deal, which runs from the start of next season until May 2024, is a 35% increase on the previous contract.

But a number of the Championship's larger clubs feel it undervalues how much the rights are worth and will meet on Tuesday to discuss their next move.

One senior club executive told BBC Sport: "The EFL has just started a war."

BBC Sport understands that the nine-member EFL Board unanimously agreed to the deal, including representatives of three Championship clubs, Reading, Brentford and Bristol City.


And some analysis of the above by Simon Stone of the BBC:

The EFL have stuck their necks out in signing this deal.

This morning, I was told 21 out of the 24 Championship clubs wanted the EFL to ask Sky for more time, or even negotiate a shorter contract, to allow some of the issues - amount of money being paid, the number of times clubs are on TV, the mass streaming of midweek games - to be sorted out.

Should this deal go through against their wishes, I was told by one senior club executive that the "EFL should not be patting themselves on the back thinking they have won and they should not see this as being done, because in fact, they have just started a war".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46267320
 
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