Rallying Call!

[Leicester Bee]

Let's be positive, the first team still looks good:

Paul Smith/Oli
Dobbo/Lovett
Ijah/ Evans
Powell
Marshall/Jay Smith
Stephen Hunt
Eddie Hutch/Jay Tabb
Martin Rowlands
Willo
Marky Mac
Mark Peters/Kev O'Connor

Ok, ok, it's not put the frighteners on the opposition, but the defence isn't hugely different to last season's. the midfield has an extra defensive edge, whilst maintaining the creativity through Rowlands. The wings are as good, if not bettr than last season, especially if Will can bulk himself up a little, and the strikeforce will come good, i'm certain of it. Whilst we may not exactly get in the likes of Burgess or Sidwell in for this season, you never know, and we could end up with a couple of decent squad players for the season, hopefully a central defender, and a striker.
All in all, if we don't sell players, and we can stay injury-free, then I'm fairly confident that we can go on to get in to the play-offs again.
There's only one team in the whole division who is going to cream anybody, and that is Cardiff. Other than that, who else is going to be hitting other teams for six? I cannot see it happening. Huddersfield have gotten rid of loads of their players, QPR might be a threat, Stockport were Division 3 standard last year, Wycombe may pose a small threat, Tranmere (if they haven't already) will have to get rid of Koumas (the only player who is any good in their team), Barnsley have gotten rid of loads of their players too, so I can't see any team that we can't beat other than Cardiff. Can you? No Reading, Stoke, or the traditionally big teams in this division, and no team frightens me. They've all made cutbacks too, so I see no reason why we can't do it again. The team need to believe, and we, the fans need to believe.

Let's stop all this doom and gloom, and start getting excited again. We're not manic depressives for crying out loud, so let's get some optimism flowing through the camp, and let's support Bees United and the players that wear the red and white stripes for us!

 

[Bee H]

There's only one team in the whole division who is going to cream anybody, and that is Cardiff. Other than that, who else is going to be hitting other teams for six?

Unfortunately, Luton Scum are most professionals choice for the Championship

Survival in the 2nd and I'll be happy this season. The finances are more important than the league table (providing we stay up) this year due to Mr Noades and his "vastly experienced team" who have ran our Club in to the ground


p.s. fair play to you Leicester for your continued support for MacGammon

 

[Leicester Bee]

Cheers Mr H.

My continued support of Marky Mac is purely on the basis that he has not given anything less than 100% for the club since he's been here. Some palyers come here, play worse than he does, but don't get the slating that Marky Mac has had.
Marky Mac will come good if allowed to. I'm sure of it.


Whilst our finances are important, I believe that it is important to get off to a good start this season. Survival is key to our future, but if we can build some form of momentum for this season, then many fans who went last season will believe that it wasn't a fluke, and will be really up for returning to GP. I know it sounds hopelessly optimistic, but as of now, I am really keen to promote the positive atmosphere around the club, despite Mr Noades. This club and fans, whilst understandably, are depressed, needs some form of lift. I don't think that Bees united will succeed if there isn't some form of positive atmosphere coming from somewhere, and the best way to do this is through the fans.
Every game we go to, let's have a party. Win or lose, let' enjoy oursevles. I am determined to enjoy this season, no matter what. If it's our last, then I will proudly say in years to come that despite the gloom, I reamined positive, and ensured that it was a season to remember.
We're supposed to be the best fans in the world.

 

[The H]

I was kinda hoping he had given less than 100% and that he was going to be a decent footballer this season.

ho hum

 

[Tinhat]

I think the team looks ok - not the best ever assembled for the Bees but they're all reasonable players and will do ok. My view on last season was that, compared to other years we've been promoted, we didn't play particularly good football. We battled and were fit but feel we lacked fluidity.

Guess that ultimately comes down to coaching, confidence and player 'intelligence'. It's all well and good knocking the manager and coaching staff when things aren't going well but I would hope that individual players start to take some responsibility to develop their vision and thinking ie above and beyond 'commitment' or 'skills' in a physical sense.

 

[AB]

I share Leicester Bee's view of McCammon. Considering

- the appalling barracking from a large proportion of Bees fans; most of the crowd booed when his number came up to come on in the Bournemouth game

- his top notch attitude even though he rarely got more than 5-10 minutes to play and had no real match practice in building up a rapport with Owusu or Burgess

- his pace and directness, which scared many opposing teams over the last two seasons; in all seriousness opposing managers have often singled him out as our biggest threat

- his reaction to losing at Cardiff in the LDV and play off finals (more distraught than most of us fans out there

I think that at the very least we should lay off him and give him our support. It can't hurt while we have no alternative.

Ig he gets a decent run of games, support and a couple of early goals we'll see 20+ out of him this season.

 

[The H]

u saw him in the reserves then??

 

[Edmundo]

Do you seriously believe that a player's performances for the reserves are a reliable indicator of what they are capable of? Firstly the players around them are not of the same calibre, which makes it difficult to perform at your best. Secondly unless you believe you have (a) a serious chance of displacing a first-teamer other than because of injury or (b) serious competition for an injured first-teamer's place, then is it really worth putting in 100%, especially at the risk of picking up an injury yourself.

Yeah, scouts and managers go to reserve team games to assess players, but don't you think they take all of the above into account when they do so? Yet you want to judge Mark McCammon without their knowledge and experience.

Maybe he won't make it, but then Lloyd Owusu looked for two years as if he didn't have the class to succeed in Division Two.

 

[The H]

if you can't put in 100% in the reserves, why should you get picked for the 1st team.

I think he does put in 100%. HE's just sh*te.

Lloyd was always class. Perhaps YOU didn't think so.

 

[AB]

But to be fair for most of the previous 2 seasons prior to last season Lloyd looked entirely out of sorts and as if he couldn't be bothered to try to do well. He could quite easily have been another promising player to fall by the wayside.

Mac might well be more limited, but I haven't heard any convincing argument for not supporting him. In the end there is little difference between a talented player who can't be bothered and a limited player who will give his all. At least until the talented player pulls his finger out and is motivated to play to his ability.

Remember that Leo Fortune West is still plying his ungainly trade very successfully for Cardiff, despite them having Thorne and Earnshaw. IMHO LFW is in no way a better player than Mac, just one who has been given the opportunity to play and who has played for teams which have accommodated his "style".

 

[pandora]

Remember that Leo Fortune West is still plying his ungainly trade very successfully for Cardiff, despite them having Thorne and Earnshaw. IMHO LFW is in no way a better player than Mac, just one who has been given the opportunity to play and who has played for teams which have accommodated his "style".

you forget that for Cardiff LFW plays wide on the left hand side....so is NOT marked by big centre halves but usually picked up by a fullback or midfielder...so the Cardiff cheif scout says!!!! ps oh yeah and he can header a ball....

 

[Ghost]

For FOX sake! not this again!

Lloydie is gone end of. Marky Mac is now first choice end of. He's big, quick and showed at Cardiff he's committed to the cause. get off his back and give him a fookin chance - who knows he could start bangng in the goals. Quite frankly no one knows what he'll do cos he aint kicked a ball yet! So I suggest we ALL shut it and wait and see.

 

[pandora]

For FOX sake! not this again!

Lloydie is gone end of. Marky Mac is now first choice end of. He's big, quick B]

who said Marky Mac is first choice????

O'Connor made more apps. than him last year and hopefully playing in his right pos. this year, he could be the answer!!!

 

[Ghost]

who said Marky Mac is first choice????

Ok badly worded but in my mind he should be

 

[Leicester Bee]

What makes me laugh is that there are some who say that no matter who the player is, if they wear the red and white stripes, then the supporters must support them.
Oh yeah?

Marky Mac gives nothing less than 100% for the club. As does Ijah. Now Ijah, for me ,was the weakest link in our defence last season, more often than not misplacing passes, and getting run round in circles. No-one criticised him then, so why are we criticising Marky Mac>
Ok, he's a bit pants, but he'll come good, I'm sure of it, and I'm willing to give him the chance to do so. I'd rather have him than some layabout half-arsed striker who given't give one for us.

Anyway, I still say that our team is half decent, and there are virtually no teams to fear, and we can still get promoted.

Come on Bees!!!

 

[Caucaunibuca]

o connor

i reckon o conner should be given a go up front with marky mac. he showed some talent last season when he was played in position and could be the creative spark we need up front to get the goals flowing for marky mac. hes only young as well and if he plays like he did when he came on at the milennium stadium i think that our problems should be solved.

 

[Tinhat]

This Marky Mac discussion reminds me of the great 'Kev-In God-Frey'. He too was cr@p for ages but in the end had most of us on his side.

Surely it must be time for Bob Booker to get a call.

 

[The H]

The thing about Spuer Kev was, he gave 100% and was unselfish too.

Not something labelled at MM.

He's greedy as **** too!

 

[Pauly Paul]

How about this side?

Smith/Oli

Powell Anderson Marshall

Dobson Rowlands Hutch Hunt

Tabb

Marky Mac Peters/O'Connor

 

[wanderingbee]

I have to agree with the positive attitude thing. I think due to events that may or may not take place off the park which are going to upset the playres apple cart the last thing they are going to need is stick from us to worry about.

I am not sure about the mac man because I have seen very little of him so I am going to give him a chance, as said previously we have nothing to loose by getting behind him its not as if we are going to have much choice in this, so he either gets stick and messes up or gets a lucky goal and becomes a hero. a last minute minute miss kick in the last minute at the mcalpine and we go mental. 20 goals later who knows. but it could happen so lets just see.

I think we hve another masive bow in our armour for next season aswell, and this played a massive part in the season just gone. The support. It was superb last year at home, The Brook road terrace and new road I think made a huge difference, Just look at the play off against uddersfield, I hardly heard a peep out of them but in 95 it was the other way around and so was the result. If we get going again then the great GP becomes hard to get a result at, even Cardiff struggle here which is always good.

Just get behind whoever is in the team and we will be ok (Hopefully) lets just survive and anything else will be great but I cant see why we would struggle as there is a lot of crap in this league this year.

 

[AB]

This will be used as a stick to beat him with, but the sad thing is that MM was inches away from becoming the man to seal promotion for us. He really deserved a goal away at QPR and turned the game for us when he came on for BBB. But, as an unnamed Mac-hater sat next to me said at the time "yeah, but he DIDN'T score, so I'll still call him rubbish".

A goal is all we need.

 

[Tinhat]

At QPR he was 'inches away'. But he was only about 2 ft in front of goal and the header was a sitter. It wasn't 'unlucky'. We need to find someone who'll put them in a la Owusu.

I often wonder if there isn't someone playing for Hanwell Town or Southall or over Gunnersbury Park even who'd do the job. Having played football for years there was always 2 or 3 real quality players knocking about on a Saturday ( I played in the same team as Martin Offiahs cousin for a few seasons and not only was he lighteneing quick but had superb skill and vision). Let's face it Div 2 standard aint great - there's loads of hoofing the ball in the air, misdirected passes and sh1t ball control so I don't buy that they'd be out of depth.

Honest question - does BFC have a youth policy? Who are the scouts? Where do they look?

 

[8 Bee]

I often wonder if there isn't someone playing for Hanwell Town or Southall or over Gunnersbury Park even who'd do the job. Having played football for years there was always 2 or 3 real quality players knocking about on a Saturday ( I played in the same team as Martin Offiahs cousin for a few seasons and not only was he lighteneing quick but had superb skill and vision). Let's face it Div 2 standard aint great - there's loads of hoofing the ball in the air, misdirected passes and sh1t ball control so I don't buy that they'd be out of depth.

You do a dis-service to our current squad. 30 years ago the comparison between park football and lower league may have been valid. Even so I knew a lot of good local club footballers who were never able to make the step up.

Nowadays, the fitness levels and ball control of the good professionals (i.e most of the Bees squad) are far superior. You only had to watch the antics performed by subs Gibbo and Rowly during some of the half-time intervals. ( Alan Julian was not quite as good though!!)

 

[Tinhat]

I'm not making a comparison between park football generally and our current squad. More that there will be a few good young local players out there.

Even tho' we narrowly missed promotion last season I have seen us play much better football in previous seasons with players running off the ball, good vision being shown as well as good skills when running at players.

I think the players tried hard and really battled well but there was way too much hoofing the ball about. And were there any players that, when they got the ball consistently raised our expectancy that something good might happen?

 

[wanderingbee]

in regards to hoof and run with Wally at t he helm cant see it getting any better

 

[Tinhat]

I wouldn't mind hoof and run - it's more like hoof, everybody crane their necks to see how high its gone, 2 huge bounces and a missed header and ....hoof again.

Hmmn...

 

[Leicester Bee]

Back to the top. My first post still holds true for me. We have to be positive about the forthcoming season.

 

[bobwin out of town bee]

its not long now till the start of the season and we all have to be postive so who ever plays lets give them 100% backing from the 1st game

come on you bees

 

[Mr Cynical]

in regards to hoof and run with Wally at t he helm cant see it getting any better

I know, it's a bit of a worry. There's only one thing worse than having a bad season and that's having a bad season whilst playing sh@te football.

As a Brentford supporter you don't honestly expect any real success, last season was a massive bonus, although ultimately disappointing. The main thing for me is to see some good footie and some good players coming through. We've got some promising youngsters, so lets give them the freedom to show us what they can do. If the players can give their all and knock the ball about a bit with a bit of style then I'll be happy with that.

Sadly, however, I'm not stupid and fully expect to be witnessing the mind-numbing predictability of the aimless hoof from defence into the channels, off the other end of the pitch or somewhere in the vague direction of McCammon's head....

Please Wally, prove me wrong!