Relegation certainties

[Nick Hester]

I take it we need to win probably seven games seeing as we are six points a drift (Poor goal difference = one point).

If we have only won three all season, I can't see us doubling that in the second half... Mark Chapman makes the best point in this thread re Martin Allen...

Get the deadwood out and sack half of the pathetic squad we have and then maybe this Club can start to sow the seeds and get us to become proud once again..

Relegation to me is now possibly acceptable as long as the current team do not darken my door ever again..I'd even give Fitz free reign thereafter..

And to those who blast my loyalty - it hurts like hell to see what is happening, but I will not pay for those lowlife's christmas dinners that represent us on the field at the moment..

 

[hanworthbee]

one goal in the last 8 league games says it all about our chances

 

[Alan D]

I am always positive, but as things look at this moment in time, we do look likely to face the drop. However, before passing final judgement I would like to see what happens in the January transfer window.

With the right players coming in we may well go on long unbeaten run, which obviously must include a fair percentage of wins, and finish the season just below mid table. If that happened it would be a massive achievement.

 

[Jimbee]

I take it we need to win probably seven games seeing as we are six points a drift (Poor goal difference = one point).

If we have only won three all season, I can't see us doubling that in the second half... Mark Chapman makes the best point in this thread re Martin Allen...

Get the deadwood out and sack half of the pathetic squad we have and then maybe this Club can start to sow the seeds and get us to become proud once again..

Relegation to me is now possibly acceptable as long as the current team do not darken my door ever again..I'd even give Fitz free reign thereafter..

And to those who blast my loyalty - it hurts like hell to see what is happening, but I will not pay for those lowlife's christmas dinners that represent us on the field at the moment..

If we only win 7 games, we've no chance of staying up.

 

[SpiderBee]

Even given its current state of health - ie dead, it's more mobile, has more control and is better in the air than its namesake.

Bet it smells better too!!!

 

[abee]

Bet it smells better too!!!

Ah, there you are.

Please report to Mr Dickens office at 11am Boxing Day.

 

[GP200]

........points required soon.....or else..............

 

[Streetboy]

If we have only won three all season, I can't see us doubling that in the second half... Mark Chapman makes the best point in this thread re Martin Allen...

Get the deadwood out and sack half of the pathetic squad we have and then maybe this Club can start to sow the seeds and get us to become proud once again.

I suspect Messrs Wijnhard, Onibuje, Pinault, Skulason, Brooker and maybe a few others are already considering alternative employment.

Although Fitz has not literally kicked players out yet, like Rougier when Allen came in, I like the shape Fitz's team is taking already, with Ide and Cox our creative outlets and O'Connor playing as a sweeper. With this in mind, the aforementioned deadwood seemigly gone for a burton, and the prospect of a few deals in Janaury, I'm not giving up all hope yet...

 

[SpiderBee]

Ah, there you are.

Please report to Mr Dickens office at 11am Boxing Day.

No can do. Busy in the press box!

 

[marlowbee]

I hardly call Hunt, Tabb, Talbot and Sonko "not too much to work with ".

I only wish we had a similar lack of talent in the squad now !!

He brought Tabb out of the reserves, Wally did not think he was good enough, Hunt fell out with MA so didn't play for him too much.
We couln't have been that much better we had not won for 19 matches and if WD had stayed would probably not won for another 19.
He changed their approach straight away, and helped them believe in themselves.
I think Scott is a nice bloke, but I am not sure a nice bloke is what we need
at this moment in time. I don't think he can do it, but nothing would please me more than to be wrong.

 

[marlowbee]

He got a response because he took a chainsaw to the squad on day one, laying down markers, binning those players that he didn't want and making clear to others he couldn't ship out on loan they weren't part of this plans.

We need the same to happen right now.

Spot on.

 

[marlowbee]

You've answered your own question. Inexperienced squad. I will not accept relegation till it actually happens. But things do not look to good do they?

The thing that bothers me most, is that if we go down, how can the club hope to survive with 9 Million debt, falling gates/income, I don't know of any division 2 club with as much debt.

 

[steveleedsbee]

You don't appoint a rookie in a crisis, you appoint someone who knows what it takes to turn things around, been there, done that kind of thing. Look at it professionally, if you have a business unit under performing do you appoint a leader who has NO experience? Of course not, you want someone who has led the charge. As for the comment on whoever got the job it would have been the same players, that is a load of tosh. There are numerous examples of a leader getting things out of people that their predecessors could not it is called being a motivator:

I personally think that Fitz HAS motivated the players. He just needs them to practice scoring goals. I also think that he needs to get Masters to practice getting to the right hand corner cos that is where all the goals,or most of them,have gone in.But I DON'T think they will go down. BEES-BEES-BEES!!!

 

[North London Bee]

He brought Tabb out of the reserves, Wally did not think he was good enough, Hunt fell out with MA so didn't play for him too much.
We couln't have been that much better we had not won for 19 matches and if WD had stayed would probably not won for another 19.
He changed their approach straight away, and helped them believe in themselves.
I think Scott is a nice bloke, but I am not sure a nice bloke is what we need
at this moment in time. I don't think he can do it, but nothing would please me more than to be wrong.

I agree with you but the difference between then and now is that there was a great deal of raw and real talent in the squad which MA harnessed brilliantly.

Now I do not think there is much at all.

We might not be playing to full capacity but even if we were we would still not be anywhere near good enough.

 

[North London Bee]

But with a shorter contract.........

Paris in the Spring sounds a real treat - and without half a team of solid reinforcements in January we will be dead and buried by then !

I haven't eaten at the George V for over 20 years - mind you if you are feeling ambitious how about La Voile D'Or in St Jean Cap Ferrat - one of my favourites.

 

[dealbee]

IF and I mean IF we can manage to win our remaining home games , that will give us 54 points. Should be enough

 

[ashvalebee]

Quite simple, he's cheap

 

[roddy]

I cannot see any hope at all under the current regime or the present squad. If we are relegated which seems almost inevitable , I feel this club will fold. The debt is unsustainable .Unless we get a rich benefactor there is no way out.

 

[West Wilts Bee]

relegation certanties.

This club will only fold if the fans allow it to. I think I've said before on numerous occasions 5000 fans £1 a week (a can of coke& a bag of chrisps) not much is it?= £20,000 perhaps we could start a £1 a week scheme independently if folk do not want to give to BU . Only an idea like.

Target 5,000

 

[West Wilts Bee]

Perhaps this fund could go directly to fund new players. After all it's all about the product on the pitch.

 

[steveleedsbee]

This club will only fold if the fans allow it to. I think I've said before on numerous occasions 5000 fans £1 a week (a can of coke& a bag of chrisps) not much is it?= £20,000 perhaps we could start a £1 a week scheme independently if folk do not want to give to BU . Only an idea like.

Target 5,000

Nice idea, if you want to set something up, im in PM me for my details

 

[Nick Hester]

He got a response because he took a chainsaw to the squad on day one, laying down markers, binning those players that he didn't want and making clear to others he couldn't ship out on loan they weren't part of this plans.

We need the same to happen right now.

I do hope so and that will mean that I can come back to GP - I miss you all so terribly..Bish especially

 

[west london bee]

I am always positive, but as things look at this moment in time, we do look likely to face the drop. However, before passing final judgement I would like to see what happens in the January transfer window.

With the right players coming in we may well go on long unbeaten run, which obviously must include a fair percentage of wins, and finish the season just below mid table. If that happened it would be a massive achievement.

If that happened it would be a MIRACLE not an achievement!

 

[marlowbee]

I agree with you but the difference between then and now is that there was a great deal of raw and real talent in the squad which MA harnessed brilliantly.

Now I do not think there is much at all.

We might not be playing to full capacity but even if we were we would still not be anywhere near good enough.

Lets hope that someone like Charlie Ide can become the new Jay Tabb.
I also thik Masters will be good but it must be affecting him playing in a losing side.

 

[marlowbee]

I do hope so and that will mean that I can come back to GP - I miss you all so terribly..Bish especially

You should be supporting them now when they most need it.

 

[marlowbee]

This club will only fold if the fans allow it to. I think I've said before on numerous occasions 5000 fans £1 a week (a can of coke& a bag of chrisps) not much is it?= £20,000 perhaps we could start a £1 a week scheme independently if folk do not want to give to BU . Only an idea like.

Target 5,000

Yeah I would go for this but you would never get 5000, more like 500.
I suggested a savings account that supporters could save with that could offset some of the debt interest ( i.e supporters interest could go to reduce interest on our crippling debt, but their capital would be protected, but was told by BU that this was not feasable.

 

[mickh]

Hutton in.
Blair in.
Sex up the Bees.
Everybody out, hic! Where's me spray can?

 

[abee]

Fancy a wager ?

I will bet you a dinner that you are mistaken.

Believe me this would be one wager that I would love to lose.

Good evening North London Bee.

I may as well start making arrangements to pay out on our bet. I have no way of getting in touch with you so perhaps you can email me if you are still reading the GPG. Banana or Bee H can give you my email. The last time that I checked there was a six week waiting list for Cinq but I can probably improve on that.

I was horribly wrong about Brentford not going down this season; it certainly seemed blindingly obvious to me last summer that we did not have the "professional" BFC board that Brian Burgess tells us is in place and that it was falling apart both on and off the field. To cock up two managerial appointments inside six months takes some doing and the board has managed to piss away in short order the £700k banked from the sales of Tabb, Sodje and Turner in putting together the worst side in League One by some distance. I had rather pinned my "hopes" that we could perhaps escape relegation by my expectations for the transfer window and loanees to be brought it but with no sign of the "Premiership freebies" and I suppose the little impact made by the new players then the hope that there would be some improvement under Fitz (well it could hardly have got worse but in terms of results it did of course) was in vain.

So over to you North London Bee......I will provide two First Class Eurostar return tickets for yourself and your good lady and of course our table at Cinq but we probably should be looking at end of April onwards.

 

[JTofBFC]

Lucky Old North London Bee. At least he gets a nice dinner out of it. What do the rest of us get for relegation.

I'll tell you what I would like.

Someone to fall on their sword for this.

Two of the worst managerial appointments in the history of the club. The second bordering on a farce.

Who is going to take responsibility for kicking the long suffering fans of this club in the teeth

Dyke, Dickens, Bees United collectively or as usual no ****er.

The irony of seeing a performance as dire as that on a day the programme was full of news clips about the club being saved 40 years ago was there for all to see.

Heads had better roll for this season.

 

[kevalutonbee]

To quote Greenholme and others, it was all over at Christmas.

By my calcs 17 games gets my me money back on an S/T. After today I suspect it may well be for this season from me.

If they can't be bothered I don't see why I should, there are plenty of other things I can find to do on a weekend

 

[wanderer paul]

Lucky Old North London Bee. At least he gets a nice dinner out of it. What do the rest of us get for relegation.

I'll tell you what I would like.

Someone to fall on their sword for this.

Two of the worst managerial appointments in the history of the club. The second bordering on a farce.

Who is going to take responsibility for kicking the long suffering fans of this club in the teeth

Dyke, Dickens, Bees United collectively or as usual no ****er.

The irony of seeing a performance as dire as that on a day the programme was full of news clips about the club being saved 40 years ago was there for all to see.

Heads had better roll for this season.

agree.

the board needs changing. management needs changing. players need changing. this is the worse team in my time supporting Brentford. thats 35 years. Fitz, unfortunately, is not the answer.

 

[1markbee]

The way things are going on and off the pitch, will there be a BFC in 5 years? Things are so negative, there isn't nothing to look forward to now. Wasn't it mentioned we will lose at least half a million pounds when we go down. I hope I'm wrong but things aren't good are they?

 

[upnorthbee]

The way things are going on and off the pitch, will there be a BFC in 5 years? Things are so negative, there isn't nothing to look forward to now. Wasn't it mentioned we will lose at least half a million pounds when we go down. I hope I'm wrong but things aren't good are they?

IF your being positive, you could look forward to having a different type of team next season, different grounds, and hopefully new management. I do believe we will be around in 5 years, i just believe you've just gone to see a very poor match, and you're very dissapointed. Things are certainly not good at the moment but i think they will get better, but im actually basing this on nothing, just hope. Whatever happens next season has to be more enjoyable than this one, because i don't believe it can get much worse than a season with no win in 23 matches, i hope im not proved wrong.

 

[bees_boy_90]

the league dont lie, we are down that is now certain, i cant see an improvement in the fitz team to that leroy team, this seaon has been awful, simply awful.

 

[VTG]

Lucky Old North London Bee. At least he gets a nice dinner out of it. What do the rest of us get for relegation.

Certainly not 30 ****ing million quid!!! 'Football' 'Association' *****. :mad1:

 

[VTG]

Yeah I would go for this but you would never get 5000, more like 500.
I suggested a savings account that supporters could save with that could offset some of the debt interest ( i.e supporters interest could go to reduce interest on our crippling debt, but their capital would be protected, but was told by BU that this was not feasable.

Or just make tickets on the gate a round 20 quid? What's the difference, really? I reckon a lot of those £1 coins go into the buckets at the end, and do think actually that the bucket guys should be inside the turnstile to be given more chance of catching that coin as people get it as change and can't be bothered to put it in their pockets.

 

[Harry Butler]

they gave up yesterday all whimper no bang this is a mid table div2 side............................................at best.The lack of fght was staggering .

 

[Bigbee]

Maybe the fans could do what Lutons did yesterday.After they went 2-0 down at home around 300 tried to get into the directors box.

 

[abee]

Maybe the fans could do what Lutons did yesterday.After they went 2-0 down at home around 300 tried to get into the directors box.

So could we presumably at £250k a head (I believe that's the going rate)......lol ......although in fact only Herting, Matthew Benham and David Heath have covered the much publicised £250k per seat policy. The other six erm.......haven't.......

 

[marlowbee]

agree.

the board needs changing. management needs changing. players need changing. this is the worse team in my time supporting Brentford. thats 35 years. Fitz, unfortunately, is not the answer.

I agree only difference is I have watched them for 51 Years, and I reckon they are still the worst I have seen, and when we lose the couple of half decent players we have in the summer I dread to think what faces us next year.
I don't expect to get a season ticket next year, and am afraid prospects for BFC look dreadful, but when you list the good players that have left the club
in the last decade, just think of the team we could have had.

 

[marlowbee]

they gave up yesterday all whimper no bang this is a mid table div2 side............................................at best.The lack of fght was staggering .

Looks like they have thrown in the towel as they didn't make any loan signings before the transfer deadline.

 

[Jimbee]

So could we presumably at £250k a head (I believe that's the going rate)......lol ......although in fact only Herting, Matthew Benham and David Heath have covered the much publicised £250k per seat policy. The other six erm.......haven't.......

300 @ 250k a pop solves the problem. :bound:

 

[Ced Bee]

Looks like they have thrown in the towel as they didn't make any loan signings before the transfer deadline.

I believe rather than "thrown in the towel" the phrase is "not throwing good money after bad".

 

[SmiffyBee]

Looks like they have thrown in the towel as they didn't make any loan signings before the transfer deadline.

If by "they" you mean "we", then maybe it's because we have no money in the budget....it's already, if anything overspent...

Who is going to fund these supposed miracle working loan signings....???


Come Mr Marlowbee, i am waiting.....taptapsmiley

 

[Jakalo]

Waking up to the fine sunshine (which has now indeed gone ) I looked at the league table and wondered. My thoughts drifting away..

Bournemouth, Chesterfield, Bradford and Cheltenham are all going to lose today. Well three of them are, and the other is going to draw.

Tomorrow, we will beat Oldham. We've never lost to them at home. It shall be 0-0 in the 93rd minute. Owusu shall score in the 94th.

We shall then be 5 points behind.

We are staying up. Well if not, it'll be decided at Tranmere.

 

[VTG]

TrueB. We're 9 points off a clear 20th place with 8 matches remaining (24 available points making it mathematically impossible for us to reach the playoffs, shame that). We need to be a clear 20th because we're not going to make up 18 goals. Should we win the next 3 games and get those 9 points, we'll still be in the relegation zone because I'll happily bet Bradford, Cheltenham and Chesterfield will get at least 2 points each from the next 3 matches, so we'd still be 23rd on a significantly inferior goal difference and with 15 points to play for. Orient were a target but they're safe. Bournemouth are the team everyone's chasing now. We have winnable games coming up but if Saturday wasn't winnable, nothing is. I respect the Rotherham fans for bringing as many away as they did, and it wasn't many. If Rotherham hadn't have gone into administration we'd be 7 points adrift and deservedly so, 8 to actually get off the bottom.
Mathematically, we can reach mid-table. Realistically, we're playing Rotherham again next season.

 

[Bristolian Bee]

Bradford, Chesterfield, Cheltenham and Rotherham have all just lost today. If it's gonna make any difference :shrug:

 

[hypa123]

Survival chances improved by about one percent today. A home win tomorrow and they would improve by another five percent. Which would leave maybe a one-in-ten chance of escaping the drop.

 

[flowerpower bee]

Bradford, Chesterfield, Cheltenham and Rotherham have all just lost today.

if only the team could find inspiration that. take advantage
and make up some ground tomorrow

i'm worried by the statistic that apparently we've never lost at home to oldham. this brentford side can be depended on i think to bring an end to that sequence

 

[Jakalo]

So far so good..