Ron in the Chron

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Ron in the Chron

I am surprised that nobody has posted anything regarding the article in Thursday's Chronicle (27 December 2001) where Ron made some rather interesting and startling revelations about the future.

He says he will not “fund” the club after this season. What does this mean? At the moment he is guaranteeing/underwriting the overdraft at the bank, hardly funding. However, without these deposits the bank may not release further credit against GP. But, what must be remembered is that at the end of the day the overdraft is secured against GP and, unless you let us know differently Ron, the bank could foreclose on the ground and Ron could (?) reclaim his deposits from the bank. Does anyone know whether Ron gets any interest accruing on these deposits and what terms the bank and Ron trade under in this particular respect?

What of course matters is what happens when this “funding” ceases. If Ron is serious about what he says then perhaps he should also have the courtesy and decency to tell the supporters how he anticipates the club will trade when he pulls his plug. Is it his intention to remain and run the club on the revenue income, or has he a cunning plan? Remember, it is Ron who has taken us in to this situation. Did he not say when he bought W£bb's shares’ that it was because the club was debt free? So why are we now £3.5m+(?) in debt to Barclays PLC and others and sinking deeper in the mire on a weekly basis? Who took us in to this situation? Who should shoulder the responsibility for pushing the club in to such a financially precarious situation? Do we need to look any further than the Board of Directors and in particular their Chairman? If we do then I would be pleased to be told that information.

If Ron does pull his plug what happens about GP? Is this a shrewd move by Ron to force us in to a ground share? The club need to trade viably. Barclay’s want their money. GP is “reluctantly sold”. Ron gets his cash released by the bank. The bank take their first call on the sale proceeds from GP and the remainder is supposedly ring fenced for a new ground. In the mean time BFC are playing at a venue that results in a fall in the crowds. A new ground is many years away from being progressed, if at all. Ron says all of this is not sustainable and looks at the alternatives. I have some ideas what they may be, but I’ll give some others the opportunity to speculate first!

In the article he additionally talks about the players’ out of contract at the end of the season. He seems to strongly suggest that nothing will be done regarding retaining any player until the season is over. Bearing in mind that Evans, Mahon, Owusu and Ingimarsson are all free agents after 30 June 2002, and from the 1 January 2002 can start to talk to other clubs then the future is not too bright, is it? Anyone with commitments to meet will not want to wait until their contract expires before ensuring their future employment. Ron is it possible that the supporters can be told when all players’ contracts expire please?

All in all I found the article depressing and frightening. We have a Chairman who it appears is now clearly intent on getting his cash released from the bank and does not have any long term interest in the club, and in particular the retention of its key playing staff for next season. Whilst I appreciate that in financial terms the club cannot continue to trade in its current state I cannot help but ask “who has got us in this mess”? If that person, who wanted to use BFC as his personal toy, wants to now walk away all well and good. But any decent person would say OK, I created the financial mess and instability as part of my personal entertainment and of course I’ll pick up the tab so that everything is left as I found it (I think “debt free” were the words used, were they not?) That may be simplistic, but the bottom line is that only one person has got us to the situation we are in now and that person has never had the guts or courage to take the responsibility for it. It is always someone else’s fault. Well I’m sorry, but it is nobody’s fault except the person who made the decisions that have created the present situation. To insinuate otherwise is to suggest that we are all fools and that we should believe that he is a victim of his own naivety. Well, for someone who has been involved in professional football for so long to expect me to accept that he could not reasonably have anticipated what the likely prospects for a third division team in west London were, is so ridiculous that if it were not so serious it would be hilarious.

Ron, you owe it to a lot of people to provide some answers and explanations to a lot of longstanding questions. When can we have them? Stop treating us with disdain and vitriol every time someone ask you a reasonable question. You are not too old to show the same courtesy and respect that you always seem to think that everyone owes you!!!
 

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only interested to see uncle rons name in the paper, if its in the obituaries column.

only joking ronald, youre truely a gentleman and a scholar!!!
 

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An irrelevance, but I believe the Board of Director did say he would only fund the Club until the end of this season. How the Board of Director intended to do so is of more concern. Other than that, you raise pertinent and relevant questions and concerns Baz Bee that will now doubt attract unsatisfactory answers - if any...
 

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I don't get the Chron, as I live out of its area, but at the risk of being labelled a "thick prat", ddin't Ron repeatedly reassure us that he always left football clubs in a better position than he found them? I hardly think an unsustainable debt can be considered better than "debt-free."
 

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RUSSELL....I actually live in Langley...I call it LOWER RICHINGS PARK - no such place but Slough and Langley:- read Finney and Mark Fleming. ie. we dont admit!

as for Ron and the thread, well Ron will be what Ron wants to be ad infinitum!
 

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Great posting Baz Bee,

erm, any response to it then Mr Noades ?

Your track record at Brentford isn't very good is it, proud of it ? How did you sign off accounts every year without taking action. Do you not look at management accounts and take notice ? Under your tenure, we're in possibly the worst situation that we've ever been in

Why not employ your mate abee, he's the man apparently for sorting out companies in the sh*t and Brentford certainly fit that criteria don't they
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I am sorry to those people who did not see this coming.

When will people stop talking about chit-chat and start thinking asbout how we can save our club.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BricklayersBee:
I am sorry to those people who did not see this coming.

When will people stop talking about chit-chat and start thinking asbout how we can save our club.
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I understand your concerns and yes we are in crisis, but there have been so many crisis meetings in the past year, yet we don't seem to have got anywhere. No good having meetings if there is only dialogue and no real action. I thought Bees United would be the way forward, but I've still to receive even a thank you for my monthly donations.
 

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Gee Bee - I am very sorry to hear you feel nothing has been done.

The fact is there are only a few fans who are actually, being constructive and doing anything.

We have been doing a hell of a lot of hard work.

I will not give up, but thanks for your support.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bee H:
Great posting Baz Bee,

Why not employ your mate abee, he's the man apparently for sorting out companies in the sh*t and Brentford certainly fit that criteria don't they
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Thanks Bee H but don't drag me into it. I've got my hands full with Argentina at the moment.
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ABee, I appreciate that you are working full time on Argentina at the moment - but surely you can see that Noades is the Galtieri of his era?
In other words, a total idiot who thinks of nothing but himself to the ruin of all those around him.
Methinks it's time we sent an armed force in to deal with the ****** named Noades.
 

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On a more serious note, it's time firm measures were taken to slap this fool of a so-called businessman into place.
I do not plan to sit by while he wrecks my club with his self-centred business antics.
He should be allowed to go back to the tinpot businesses he ran before he met an even bigger fool called Goldberg. But for the latter, Noades would be nothing but a loud mouth.
 

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My personal favourite Noades-ism in this article comes at the end when he refers to the Scott/Quinn-to-Oxford business:

"Oxford bought them in panic to avoid relegation and they have paid the price. I believe they are both available on a free transfer and I would take them back at a wage I could afford.
It showed that in the long-term the fans turn out to be wrong and the management right"


Right, that's cleared that up then!
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by stedders:

It showed that in the long-term the fans turn out to be wrong and the management right"

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But only if you are lucky enough to support Brentford 'cos we've got Noades and Hargraves. It follows I suppose that if you favour Oxford then the management is wrong and the fans right
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally stated by UNCLE RON:
It showed that in the long-term the fans turn out to be wrong and the management right!</font>

That is because all fans are "thick prats" who know nothing, Ron. Is that correct?

Does anyone else agree with me, that we are Ron's customers, but sadly it seems Ron is either a THICK PRAT, too arrogant or too ignorant to have ever heard the phrase "the customer is always right". It's a misleading phrase I know, as many customers are not right, often due to being misinformed about things, but the asswipe wants to learn something about respect - something he has little of towards us.

By the way Ron, if we are £4m in debt, then you have obviously never FUNDED the club, so stop insinuating that you are. I don't need to use the back of a fag packet to work that out. If you don't wish to speculate in us, then shut your mouth Ron, and get out
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Originally posted by stedders:
It showed that in the long-term the fans turn out to be wrong and the management right"[/b]

Wrong about what?, that selling our leading goalscorer mid-season was a good thing that almost certainly doomed us to mid table at best. I always thought it was more a panic measure by BFC than Oxford who were already doomed at the time of the sale...suspect RN still regrets it. Scott in place of Hunt this season may have been interesting!!
 

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Thanks to Baz Bee for this thread.
On the subject of Noades retiring and leaving the club "debt free" (in the same condition that he found it)I have little doubt that he and Hargraves will achieve this. The problem of course is that this will be by selling Griffin Park
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by stedders:
"Oxford bought them in panic to avoid relegation and they have paid the price. I believe they are both available on a free transfer and I would take them back at a wage I could afford.
It showed that in the long-term the fans turn out to be wrong and the management right"
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And still Mr Noades, you continue to insult us fans (you know, people who care about BFC unlike those in charge
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Could this be the first time ever that you are wrong about anything Mr Noades ( thinking about it, you never admit to being wrong or having made a mistake do you !). Scott and Quinn were the first two out of eight players that were going to be signed by Oxford and this was agreed by the Oxford chairman and Joe Kinnear when the players met them. If you remember rightly then Mr Noades, Joe Kinnear upped and left before anyone else was signed. That puts a slightly different piccy on things doesn't it but will we hear an apology for the propoganda machine being slightly distorted, like bo11ocks we will
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Oh and another thing, Andy Scott is not available on a free (not sure about Quinn but I won't print 'owt that I don't know for sure unlike some). Even if you doubled his wages, Scotty wouldn't play for you again, you really know how to win friends and influence people don't you ! If you recall the Andy Scott fanzine in TITS, I seem to recall him saying "I care more about Brentford then Noades ever will"

A Happy New Year to 'most' of you who read the Grapevine
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In the article he additionally talks about the players’ out of contract at the end of the season. He seems to strongly suggest that nothing will be done regarding retaining any player until the season is over. Bearing in mind that Evans, Mahon, Owusu and Ingimarsson are all free agents after 30 June 2002, and from the 1 January 2002 can start to talk to other clubs then the future is not too bright, is it?

Is this not what I suggested that some of the players said to pandora who in turn said to me a few weeks ago?
Will ron deny this as he did to me?, or will he allow the paper to print such libilous lies?
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by abee:
It follows I suppose that if you favour Oxford then the management is wrong and the fans right </font>

Of course the management at Oxford desereve a lot of credit as they have moved the club from a delapidated old stadium to a brand new state of the art facility. Somehow they have done it without feeling the need to groundshare at some crass non-league ground. But I thought it was not possible to build a new stadium (according to Ron) without building flats on your old ground first?

Could the difference be that Oxford have an owner prepared to put his hand into his pocket and spend his own money from time to time?
 
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