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Owen Hargreaves delivers his words in bursts of up to 9 words, none of the words are in anyway insightful.
 

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2 of those 9 words are usually "in behind".

Yes he is awful. As indeed are MU. Real lump it merchants.

I struggle to pick a player who i would take for the Bees-which is amazing when you think about it.
 

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filmyfan said:
2 of those 9 words are usually "in behind".

Yes he is awful. As indeed are MU. Real lump it merchants.

I struggle to pick a player who i would take for the Bees-which is amazing when you think about it.
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Really? I think United are doing fine. Fellaini is having a very good game.
 

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filmyfan said:
2 of those 9 words are usually "in behind".

Yes he is awful. As indeed are MU. Real lump it merchants.

I struggle to pick a player who i would take for the Bees-which is amazing when you think about it.
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Not quite 'lump it' maybe, but I agree with the sentiment. Blame it on Mourinho. Not quite the fabled United way is it? Sir Alex would be turning in his grave. Sorry don't know what phrase you use when someone is still alive.
 

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Well, I see now how Feyenoord won their first league title since jesus was born...no competition.
 

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heavywoollenbee said:
Not quite 'lump it' maybe, but I agree with the sentiment. Blame it on Mourinho. Not quite the fabled United way is it? Sir Alex would be turning in his grave. Sorry don't know what phrase you use when someone is still alive.
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My thoughts exactly. They're virtually unwatchable. Compact and defensively sound they may be, but I've decided that having enjoyed free flowing football at GP for the past few years, I've become a football snob and just can't watch teams who are that direct.
 

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How much paid for Pogba? He's barely ok in my view. Who would you prefer: Toumani at his best for us, or Pogba? Certainly know who represents better value for money.
 

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heavywoollenbee said:
How much paid for Pogba? He's barely ok in my view. Who would you prefer: Toumani at his best for us, or Pogba? Certainly know who represents better value for money.
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I disagree there. I think Pogba is a sensational talent, currently shackled by the dire, direct, flairless way in which Mourinho has set up United.
 

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Owlsmoor_Bee said:
I disagree there. I think Pogba is a sensational talent, currently shackled by the dire, direct, flairless way in which Mourinho has set up United.
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Agreed.

Pogba and Man U are better than what they showed tonight. JM stifles any flair with a more disciplined approach. He's won two trophies though. :shrug:
 

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Mudbone said:
Well, I see now how Feyenoord won their first league title since jesus was born...no competition.
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Ajax have scored 120 goals this season so presume they scored most of those in their league.
 

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Owlsmoor_Bee said:
I disagree there. I think Pogba is a sensational talent, currently shackled by the dire, direct, flairless way in which Mourinho has set up United.
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I can see what you are suggesting, but I haven't seen any where near enough from Pogba, even in his current circumstances, to suggest that he can be the world-beater that he is supposed to be. I see glimpses of what he can do, but far too often he is imprecise in his delivery and flippant (showboatish) in his play (which is certainly not Mourinho).
 

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Just left work with Arsenal leading 1-0 and then bang bang
 

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Referee deserves credit for having the balls to book the diver knowing it's a sending off as a result.
I reckon Chelski might still have nicked it with 11 men.
 

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Mark H said:
Great game. So glad Arsenal beat the arrogant Chelski . They forgot to have black arm bands on in the first half.
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Explained on 5Live at the start of the second half as their armbands were originally under warm-up tops which they switched from using pre-match because it was so hot. :shrug:
 

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The Joker said:
Explained on 5Live at the start of the second half as their armbands were originally under warm-up tops which they switched from using pre-match because it was so hot. :shrug:
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What a b***ocks excuse that is.
 

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A little bit of me wants to be outraged by blackarmbandgate but I'm not quite there.
 

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opinions5u said:
A little bit of me wants to be outraged by blackarmbandgate but I'm not quite there.
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I don't want to be outraged because someone forgot to dish out some armbands. I'm more worried about someone leaving the tap running in a house in the street round the corner.
 

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heavywoollenbee said:
Not quite 'lump it' maybe, but I agree with the sentiment. Blame it on Mourinho. Not quite the fabled United way is it? Sir Alex would be turning in his grave. Sorry don't know what phrase you use when someone is still alive.
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He looked delighted that they won. He was a winner... :shrug:
 

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Billy Hunt said:
He looked delighted that they won. He was a winner... :shrug:
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He was a winner. And winners like to win. In fairness, his win against Bayern wasn't that pretty either until the 90th minute. But that was down to the strength of the Germans and the no-show of his own side for the first 89 minutes. However, he always tried to win the right way, and generally did so. The United Way was the unsophisticated prototype for the Brentford Way. :eek: I suspect that on reflection, once the glow of the red wine had faded, in private, he would be a quite sceptical about that performance.
 

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heavywoollenbee said:
He was a winner. And winners like to win. In fairness, his win against Bayern wasn't that pretty either until the 90th minute. But that was down to the strength of the Germans and the no-show of his own side for the first 89 minutes. However, he always tried to win the right way, and generally did so. The United Way was the unsophisticated prototype for the Brentford Way. :eek: I suspect that on reflection, once the glow of the red wine had faded, in private, he would be a quite sceptical about that performance.
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I reckon he's delighted that they won a trophy and qualified for the Champions League. :shrug:
 

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Billy Hunt said:
I reckon he's delighted that they won a trophy and qualified for the Champions League. :shrug:
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You maybe right. And the fans probably will allow the end to justify the means in the short term. However, Champions League football assured, they will be demanding something more expansive next season, as is there supposed entitlement. Just ask Van Gaal. Why should a club of the stature and financial means of Manchester United need to resort to such an unadventurous, defensive brand of football? West Brom, Crystal Palace, Stoke maybe. But Manchester United who spent £100 million on one player last year... for this?
 

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heavywoollenbee said:
You maybe right. And the fans probably will allow the end to justify the means in the short term. However, Champions League football assured, they will be demanding something more expansive next season, as is there supposed entitlement. Just ask Van Gaal. Why should a club of the stature and financial means of Manchester United need to resort to such an unadventurous, defensive brand of football? West Brom, Crystal Palace, Stoke maybe. But Manchester United who spent £100 million on one player last year... for this?
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Why? To win... :shrug:

West Brom, and the like, play that way to survive in the Premier League. :grey:

I agree that this season's aim was to qualify for the Champions League. They have done it.

There will be more demand for playing the 'United way' next season, but I'm not sure that Mourinho cares too much about that.
 

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Billy Hunt said:
Why? To win... :shrug:

West Brom, and the like, play that way to survive in the Premier League. :grey:

I agree that this season's aim was to qualify for the Champions League. They have done it.

There will be more demand for playing the 'United way' next season, but I'm not sure that Mourinho cares too much about that.
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Agreed. And they may tolerate this style of play for a while next season so long as they are winning most games. But the Van Gaal style confrontation between fans and manager, and demands for the 'right' brand of football, will start at the very faintest hint of the possibility of a trophy-less campaign.
 
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Woflsburg see off Eintracht Braunschweig in the Bundesliga relegation play-off, so the Volkswagen work's side retain their seat at the top table.
Stuttgart and Hannover promoted from Bundesliga 2.

1860 Munich play tonight in the 2nd leg to try to retain their place in Bundesliga 2.


Piece of trivia: Braunschweig is what we call in english Brunswick.
 

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scruff puppy pup said:
Woflsburg see off Eintracht Braunschweig in the Bundesliga relegation play-off, so the Volkswagen work's side retain their seat at the top table.
Stuttgart and Hannover promoted from Bundesliga 2.

1860 Munich play tonight in the 2nd leg to try to retain their place in Bundesliga 2.


Piece of trivia: Braunschweig is what we call in english Brunswick.
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Which, in turn, is English for...? Tanned penis?
 

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scruff puppy pup said:
Woflsburg see off Eintracht Braunschweig in the Bundesliga relegation play-off, so the Volkswagen work's side retain their seat at the top table.
Stuttgart and Hannover promoted from Bundesliga 2.

1860 Munich play tonight in the 2nd leg to try to retain their place in Bundesliga 2.


Piece of trivia: Braunschweig is what we call in english Brunswick.
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1860 lost..:eek:
 

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jlove said:
They have decided to go amateur as the league licence is unaffordable.
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They had the third highest player budget in the second tier and ended up relegated, whilst the two clubs with the biggest budget achieved promotion.
 

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Watching the USA match against Ghana. I know its only a friendly but the Ghana keeper came out of his area and has just taken out the USA forward and only got a yellow. An awful challenge.
 

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ladbroke said:
Watching the USA match against Ghana. I know its only a friendly but the Ghana keeper came out of his area and has just taken out the USA forward and only got a yellow. An awful challenge.
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Didn't see this, but is he called Schumacher?
 

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wanderer paul said:
Shocking refereeing.
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Similar situation in Chile-Germany final just now. Chilean player elbows a German player quite blatantly, I thought. Referee sends it upstairs. Not quite as clear-cut as the Schumaker impression earlier, maybe, but still fairly red in my view..... video review comes back with yellow again. Seems like the imperative is to try to keep 22 on the field for the benefit of the paying spectator. I like this, actually. Too often in previous world cups prima donna refs have grabbed centre stage and spoiled a potentially great game with an injudicious red card. However, be careful, if it's genuinely red, the man has to go (see Lions match yesterday).
 

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heavywoollenbee said:
Similar situation in Chile-Germany final just now. Chilean player elbows a German player quite blatantly, I thought. Referee sends it upstairs. Not quite as clear-cut as the Schumaker impression earlier, maybe, but still fairly red in my view..... video review comes back with yellow again. Seems like the imperative is to try to keep 22 on the field for the benefit of the paying spectator. I like this, actually. Too often in previous world cups prima donna refs have grabbed centre stage and spoiled a potentially great game with an injudicious red card. However, be careful, if it's genuinely red, the man has to go (see Lions match yesterday).
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Lee Dixon just called it right actually. When other sports use this option so wisely to thrash out the right decision, how come football has managed so far to weigh up the available evidence and come to the wrong conclusion? He suggests that football must be the laughing stock amongst other sports such as rugby and cricket. He's right, of course, but hopefully these early cock-ups will help to make sure that they get it right.... eventually.
 
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