Sepp Blatter
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Mr Tree
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Sepp Blatter
he spectacularly, consistently fails to address the important issues, choosing instead to comment on trivialities.
anyone who watched the Champions League Final would realise that a lot needs to change. all that cheating and whinging was pathetic. but he just blithely carries on talking complete sh*te
anyone who watched the Champions League Final would realise that a lot needs to change. all that cheating and whinging was pathetic. but he just blithely carries on talking complete sh*te
sgaz
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dementia setting in 
one rule for us, one for everyone else...there always has been
He makes me so ****ing :mad1: :mad2: it's untrue, and Platini, who will probably get the job soon, is not much better IMO :thumbs: :box:
Sweepy
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Italy may have been massive in the 90s, but I think it's 6 European Champions league semi-finalists in the past two years for English clubs, so Blatter is sh*tting it. In such a timescale, I cannot even recall Italian football showing that sort of dominance.
That said, to use the word 'slavery' so frivilously to make his point is disgusting. And they have no reason to ban English clubs for four years to give the rest of Europe a chance to catch up this time. So the only hope is that the world's best player will go to Spain and be the final piece of Madrid's jigsaw.
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Inappropriate Smilies Bee
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Mr Tree
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i am completely and utterly against the use of technology, i think it will really change the game and not in a good way...
just a thought though. with the technology we currently have, we must be close to enabling the referees/linesmen to carry a handheld video player with a direct connection to the cameras covering the game. and if he wants to check something, he can just "order" a replay from the menu. i don't know what technology would be necessary for that, but it surely couldn't be that difficult to organise.
however, getting linesmen who pay attention to the game would be a simpler solution
just a thought though. with the technology we currently have, we must be close to enabling the referees/linesmen to carry a handheld video player with a direct connection to the cameras covering the game. and if he wants to check something, he can just "order" a replay from the menu. i don't know what technology would be necessary for that, but it surely couldn't be that difficult to organise.
however, getting linesmen who pay attention to the game would be a simpler solution
Phoenixkeeper
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I am pretty sure if they bought in the two extra officials, as they had in the Europa League, would have meant the ball would have been seen crossing the goalline. Assuming those extra officials had the responsibility to inform the referee.
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Can't we just stick some bod on the post like a net judge in tennis ?
SpiderBee
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Perhaps they should bring in a video ref, but each team has only have 2 or 3 opportunities to refer to it.
If you don't stick a limit on it, Didly Dogbra and his diving cronies would use it every two minutes and a game kicking of at 3pm on Saturday wouldn't finish until midday on Wednesday.
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With goal line technology I'm sure it's possible to have a sort of cyclops system like they used to have in tennis where if the serve goes out it automatically beeps. I imagine that would be 99% accurate, it wouldn't be a case of having to stop the match and a team from going up the other end and scoring because the ref wanted to double check that the ball hadn't crossed the line and the players couldn't argue.
I'm all for other technology being brought in as long as it doesn't disrupt the flow of the game by causing stoppages that are longer than they are now and the ref still has control and makes the final decision.
I'm all for other technology being brought in as long as it doesn't disrupt the flow of the game by causing stoppages that are longer than they are now and the ref still has control and makes the final decision.
Brain-dead Bee
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I think that was the proposal FIFA rejected on cost grounds.
A camera at each end, and a 5th official to watch it would seem enough - either 5th official watching all the time, or ref alerts him to need to check incident. Occasionally that won't clear it up - when bodies obscure the ball, for example - in which case it's no goal. But most times it will be clear within 5 seconds and 5th official can get signal to ref. In a case like the England game you wouldn't stop play until the signal came through
Sweepy
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I'm torn. Yesterday's missed goal is a terrible advert for Fifa when they are supposed to be administering a multi-million (billion) pound industry. On the other hand, turning away from the pitch to stare at a screen waiting for it to say "goal" or "no goal" is all very rugby and I would probably hate that too.
jlove
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Surely, the technology debate is unnecessary - how about 5 officials? UEFA is extending its five-official experiment to this season's Champions League and Euro 2012 qualifying matches. Both Lampard's 'goal' and Tevez's off-side goal would have been spotted by the 4th/5th official. No appreciable delay and a much more legitimate decision advised to the ref.
Mr Tree
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Perhaps they should bring in a video ref, but each team has only have 2 or 3 opportunities to refer to it.
If you don't stick a limit on it, Didly Dogbra and his diving cronies would use it every two minutes and a game kicking of at 3pm on Saturday wouldn't finish until midday on Wednesday.
the downside - what if England yesterday had already had their 3 video referrals, and then fat Frank's shot went in... we'd be protesting, but we'd be out of video opportunities :sad:
there is the other downside that football is often not black-or-white, in-or-out, like cricket or tennis. so extending it to anything other than goalline decisions becomes problematic. ok, you can say offsides are "clear", so we'll use the video ref for that too... but then, throw-ins are black-or-white, and i've definitely seen instances where an incorrect throw-in award has led directly to a goal.
i can generally agree with your point, but for both of those incidents, there was already an official with designated responsibility to watch for such infringements. so if the linesmen missed both those incidents, what's to say that Jonny-4th-Official will definitely spot them?
jlove
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Position.
The linesmen run the line and, in the Lampard case, the linesman was at an angle that probably made it impossible to judge correctly. In the EUFA matches, the additional officials, while their end in being attacked, are on the line.
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How the buggery heck can we expect Blatter to introduce in-game technology when he still hasn't sorted out retrospective technology to stamp out diving?
It's 8 years since the Rivaldo incident against Turkey and players are still blatantly getting opponents sent off in front of dozens of TV cameras. Even a moron could eliminate diving from major tournaments with that much video evidence.
Blatter isn't a moron, he's a ****.
It's 8 years since the Rivaldo incident against Turkey and players are still blatantly getting opponents sent off in front of dozens of TV cameras. Even a moron could eliminate diving from major tournaments with that much video evidence.
Blatter isn't a moron, he's a ****.
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If the captain/team/manager uses up their opportunities in teh first half, then thats their problem. They will soon learn that right to referal should not be used at every little opportunity.
As for the fourth official, he has a hard enough time organising the teas for the ref and lines man, you don't seriously expect him to be watching and taking notes.
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Then again the object of football is not to give a referee something to do. it is a contest in which two teams of players compete to determine which of them, if any, can score the most goals.
Inappropriate Smilies Bee
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i agree CB but it is also to entertain and bad decisions are part of the fun and i still love the controversy despite being devastated about that decision yesterday. plus it gives sh*t little minnow teams like germany a chance of a giantkilling like they done yesterday.
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Would somebody with good vision standing near each goal to observe whether the ball crosses the line or not count as technology? I think that the over-riding consideration must be to minimise avoidable mistakes as far as humanly possible, especially those with the greatest impact on the outcome. If that observer is unable to make a decision then I think video reference would be a legitimate means of resolution. Please don't bring any other issues into the discussion such as "that would lead to looking at off-sides etc.etc." This comment is purely addressing situations when a legitimate goal, such as Lampard's on Sunday, is wrongly disallowed by the officials.
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Having seen the clip of interview on the BBC sport website he hardly looks at the camera during it. He spent more time looking down at the desk.......what's that old saying about people who cannot look you in the face.........
Mr Tree
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so England's complaints are justified, but Mexico's aren't. interesting.
my starter, which i ask repeatedly
- tell me, how would the referee have used the video replay in the Germany-England game? literally walk me through it - ball bounces up, Neuer catches it, and:
Mr Tree
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in other exciting Sepp Blatter-related news:
in an article entitled "Blatter apologies for disallowed goal" (that's a misnomer innit? the goal was never allowed in the first place
) (anyway, thanks, that apology will help England get over it 
), i spied this interesting-looking ending:
:bound:
theory 1) NO TALKING TO REFEREES
or, theory 2) cyborg refs
in an article entitled "Blatter apologies for disallowed goal" (that's a misnomer innit? the goal was never allowed in the first place
) (anyway, thanks, that apology will help England get over it ), i spied this interesting-looking ending::bound:
theory 1) NO TALKING TO REFEREES
or, theory 2) cyborg refs
California Bee
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Sepp Blatter
My post was a response to your plea for "no technology" and did not attempt to address the Tevez case. I would see an assistant ref watching live video and calling the ref directing him to reverse the "no goal" decision. In the case of Lampard's score it would simply involve awarding the goal and restarting the game from the centre spot as normal after a score. In the case of the Tevez offside, the same assistant could direct the ref to disallow the goal and restart the game with the offside free-kick at the point of the infringement. In both cases the time would be reset to the times of the goal and the infringement.so England's complaints are justified, but Mexico's aren't. interesting.
my starter, which i ask repeatedly
Disruption to the game would be no different to that when the ball is intentionally put out of play following a downed player with handicapped injury.
macsalisbee
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The Tv company showing the game has a camera in there anyway. What's to stop an extra official telling the ref? I'm sure that this has happened with other decisions anyway-refs have given things they have'nt seen and are miked up. Especially the Nigerian player sent off v Greece.
Why don't FIFA just get on with it? Lampards goal was visible from Hounslow west never mind the touchline
Why don't FIFA just get on with it? Lampards goal was visible from Hounslow west never mind the touchline
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ok, ok, i've thought this over... the best way to do this is just to allow the players to play through...
every time you score, it takes 40-45 seconds to restart play anyway (at the least!). you can spend that time checking the replay to decide whether it was a legit goal.
i think that's the logical conclusion of where video technology takes us... and it sounds horrible.
every time you score, it takes 40-45 seconds to restart play anyway (at the least!). you can spend that time checking the replay to decide whether it was a legit goal.
i think that's the logical conclusion of where video technology takes us... and it sounds horrible.
California Bee
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Maybe Monsieur l'Abre! However it's a whole lot better than giving or denying a goal wrongly especially at the risk of getting the wrong result
Mr Tree
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i'm sorry, i don't think so... i think it'd be chaotic. there'd be 3 or 4 per game. and what are we doing about offsides - letting every player run through (unless it's OBVIOUS), and then reviewing every goal? but what if the keeper saves it, it goes for a corner, they score, but the player was actually offside for the initial chance. are they going to review that? if not, why not?!
i really think the people advocating technology have not thought this through whatsoever. i find it very difficult to imagine it working well...
kevalutonbee
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Sepp Blatter
in other exciting Sepp Blatter-related news:
in an article entitled "Blatter apologies for disallowed goal" (that's a misnomer innit? the goal was never allowed in the first place
:bound:
theory 1) NO TALKING TO REFEREES
or, theory 2) cyborg refs
Wrong I'm afraid. The scientist who created Dolly the cloned sheep has advanced the technology so far he has managed to clone Stuart Attwell.
Mr Tree
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lol if the technology now existed to clone humans... surely Keeley would be number 1 in the queue... and Attwell would be number 6,000,000,000
TOMOGP
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I think what he was saying was the keeper had the ball so the ball was "in play"With a good throw/kick the ball COULD have been down the other end and in that net before the over the line question could have been reviewed
In general I am against technology creeping in but why not learn from cricket, each side can request a review a max of three times and that can be for anything.
However who pays- I see hawkeye are saying £150 to 250 k for each ground Premiershite can afford it I would rather we spent £150k on a good striker or whatever
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Mr Tree
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yep. CB's solution (a logical but horribly-flawed one IMHO) is that we should just award every controversial goal, and review it while celebrating... so games could finish 7-6 --> "1-1 after review" 
Brain-dead Bee
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I think reviews would have to be limited to when the ball is next out of play or sides would use them to stop opposition attacks, eg even if Lampard's shot hadn't gone in (which it obviously did) England might have made a challenge to stop a quick counter-attack
jlove
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I don't think there should be any challenges, just an official reviewing live on video or observing in close proximity and stopping play only when a goal was clearly scored but not given or wrongly given when clearly not scored. In either case the flow of the game would have been interrupted wrongly by the ref's wrong calls. If the official sees no error there would be no impact to the game. The interruption/restart would be no different from the interruptions caused by injured player stoppage.
Mr Tree
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..."hold up, hold up. that handball a couple of minutes ago - i've checked a few angles now, turns out it was."
"ladies and gentlemen, the video referee has awarded a retrospective penalty" (dramatic music)
"ladies and gentlemen, the video referee has awarded a retrospective penalty" (dramatic music)
Mr Tree
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(i don't mean to ONLY point out flaws, just trying to think from the other side of the debate...)
the flaw here is, the first time a team suffers because a controversial incident happened after they'd used their 3 other reviews, the injustice would remain...
the flaw here is, the first time a team suffers because a controversial incident happened after they'd used their 3 other reviews, the injustice would remain...
kevalutonbee
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Just as it does in the NFL. Each team has two. Moral of the story there is challenge what you reasonably think is worth trying to get overturned
Owlsmoor_Bee
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Sepp Blatter
There's no place for video technology in the game IMO but I don't see any reason for not introducing goal line technology which is a very different thing, and as mentioned earlier, involves the simple installation of a micro-chip into the ball. Had this system been employed during the England game, we wouldn't be having this discussion. :shrug:
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