Somner left back - Frampton centre back????

[Booker Bee]

Why Wally? Why Why Why?

 

[RitchBee]

Because he's a Wally. :thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Boston Bee]

I've read this and I still can't believe it's true. It just can't be possible that two players with particular skill sets are put in each other's positions. Isn't the season going to be challenging enough with people in their most useful place?

Anyone? Anyone?

 

[GP200]

The plot has been lost.........

 

[B2B]

give it time.....

lets see whats happens after 5-6 league games, if we still look rubbish then Wally and change things........

 

[Pauly Paul]

Move Dobbo forward...

I would like to see Dobbo in centre midfield or even at right midfield so we can utilise his best weapons which are his shooting and crossing.

 

[Wee Dave]

Re: Move Dobbo forward...

I would like to see Dobbo in centre midfield or even at right midfield so we can utilise his best weapons which are his shooting and crossing.

I've been shouting for this for over a season now. Dobbo's wasted in defence IMHO - he's so good at coming forward and spreading the play that he really should be further up the park. What's more, it might let him dominate proceedings a bit more, rather than trying to lead from the back.

I'm prepared to give Wally a good few games. Haven't been yet this season - posh at home will be the debut - but from what I've heard, tactical oddities aside, we're not playing atrociously.

What I will not stand for is results being sh*t beyond Christmas. If it gets that far then Wally must walk.

 

[Pauly Paul]

Re: Re: Move Dobbo forward...

I've been shouting for this for over a season now. Dobbo's wasted in defence IMHO

Don't you remember my Dobbo for Centre Midfield signature last season?

I think he should be partnered there by Kev O'Connor. It would be a good mix of style and strength.

Nonetheless Brook Road Left Side awaits....

We Are Brentford Fans Altogether!

 

[JBN]

It is alomst beyond belief, last night i was on the verge of cashing in my season ticket, Wally needs to be taken to one side and told act in the best interests of the club, not the best of interest of self distruction.

I love Brentford and this is doing my head in. I can't believe that I am even thinking of throwing my season ticket back before we have played a league game at GP.

:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

 

[Bee H]

unberfeckinlievable Wally !

It is alomst beyond belief, last night i was on the verge of cashing in my season ticket,

perhaps best then if we don't tell you that their first goal came from their right wing which was quite empty as Mr Somner was in the centre circle ? Very Wycombe-esque it was too !

Don't suppose anyone in the BFC Management Team considered why WBA were launching most of their attacks down their right wing ? Tough one I know but do try chaps !

 

[JBN]

What was he doing there? waving to his mate Wally?

 

[Booker Bee]

What was he doing there? waving to his mate Wally?

lol rofl lol

 

[Bigbee]

Dobbo for centre midfield

I agree too.Hes two footed, strongish,likes going forward, reasonable distribution,and he will develop ( like the Kodak Bros) into a better player.Then hows about having Somner RB and Fieldwick lb ?

 

[brighton bee]

i really think this team could get us in the playoffs.

smith
somner sonko roget frampthon/fieldwick
loaneefrompremclub dobbo tabb hunt
oconnor peters

julian allen-page smith evans blackman

what does everyone else think?(oconnor could also go right wing if we get a loanee striker)

 

[Booker Bee]

this loaneefrompremclub sounds promising
didnt know we signed him
is he from ukraine?

 

[Debbee]

It is alomst beyond belief, last night i was on the verge of cashing in my season ticket, Wally needs to be taken to one side and told act in the best interests of the club, not the best of interest of self distruction.

Do you know what JBN, if he doesn't change things on Saturday I just might attempt to have a few words with Wally myself.

I was screwing on Tuesday night when I saw his team selection.:mad2:

I'm a season ticket holder too and quite possibly might go to all away games this season so I'm not just gonna sit back and take it if he persists with Somner @ left back for much longer!

 

[Pauly Paul]

Somner's away with Wales on Sat so he can't play at left back.

 

[Debbee]

Somner's away with Wales on Sat so he can't play at left back.

There is a God after all!lol

 

[SC]

I was screwing on Tuesday night when I saw his team selection.:mad2:

That's the girl .... screwing yet still make sure you check up on the team news.

 

[Boston Bee]

Priorities in order I say!

That's the girl .... screwing yet still make sure you check up on the team news.

 

[New Roader]

Cant work out why Somner is still at Left Back. Realised at Wycombe away last seaosn that he is not the answer there.

 

[Thomas Bathurst]

Somner's away with Wales on Sat so he can't play at left back.

If that's the case, we just HAVE to win on Saturday. If we play well, Wally can't change a winning team. Come on you bees!

 

[New Roader]

If that's the case, we just HAVE to win on Saturday. If we play well, Wally can't change a winning team. Come on you bees!

Say he plays Framton there and we win, you can be guaranteed that he will be injured for the next match.

 

[Debbee]

That's the girl .... screwing yet still make sure you check up on the team news.

Ha ha..very funny! I'd like to point I was @ the game and it was screwing of the 'with rage' kind when I saw the team come out.

 

[Pauly Paul]

One way around this "screwing with rage at the lineup" dilemma is to use your imagination and pretend you see someone else there.

Confound your friends and neighbours on the terrace by commenting how pale Roberto Carlos looks these days and how he always seems quicker on the telly...

 

[Bee H]

One way around this "screwing with rage at the lineup" dilemma is to use your imagination and pretend you see someone else there.

Confound your friends and neighbours on the terrace by commenting how pale Roberto Carlos looks these days and how he always seems quicker on the telly...

exactly which brand of "cigarettes" are you currently smoking Man ? Peace everyone !

 

[abee]

One way around this "screwing with rage at the lineup" dilemma is to use your imagination and pretend you see someone else there.

This just might work so when I see Wally on Saturday I shall imagine that he's wearing a kilt, speaks with a French accent and has been screwing Ulrika. That should ease the pain a bit.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Re: unberfeckinlievable Wally !

perhaps best then if we don't tell you that their first goal came from their right wing which was quite empty as Mr Somner was in the centre circle ? Very Wycombe-esque it was too !

Don't suppose anyone in the BFC Management Team considered why WBA were launching most of their attacks down their right wing ? Tough one I know but do try chaps !

To be fair to Somner he wasn't only miles out of position he also allowed Koumas to sprint past him like he wasn't there and make the goal.

The decision with Frampton and Somner summed up the first week of the season for me.

I understand injuries to key players can upset things but anyone who can't see that Somner is a centre back probably shouldn't be employed in football.

 

[Hammered]

i really think this team could get us in the playoffs.

smith
somner sonko roget frampthon/fieldwick
loaneefrompremclub dobbo tabb hunt
oconnor peters

julian allen-page smith evans blackman

what does everyone else think?(oconnor could also go right wing if we get a loanee striker)

I can't agree with Evans on the bench. How about Tabb on the right with Evans and Dobbo in the middle.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

I can't agree with Evans on the bench. How about Tabb on the right with Evans and Dobbo in the middle.

I believe Tabb would be wasted if he was playing on either flank. He has the talent to dominate games and should be dictating play from the middle of the field.

 

[Boston Bee]

All that cough syrup I had for breakfast. Amended version:

But someone has to play in the right side of midfield, and the ultimate goal is to make sure the best 11 footballers are on the pitch. Well, it is for most but evidence is Wally has other ideas.

How about then
...............................Smith...........................
...........Roget........Sonko..........Somner.............
Hunt....................Dobson................Frampton/Fieldwick
.........................Evans......................
..........................Tabb.................................
.................Peters........CarlisleGuy......................

At least here the best 11 players are on the pitch and none are in places where they're clearly not suited. And before you all say "Hunt on the right?!?", admit that he's better with the ball at his feet running at people, which cutting in from the right to create/shoot would be ideal, and that his crossing isn't exactly his strong suit. Allows Tabb to be in the 'hole' role, puts Evans in the middle of the park where they belong. Allows Dobson to come forward without us getting too exposed, same for Hunt and F/F.

 

[New Roader]

There is 12 there

 

[West Ealing Bee]

There is 12 there

Only because it's Frampton or Fieldwick.

 

[New Roader]

Only because it's Frampton or Fieldwick.

Its been changed now

 

[West Ealing Bee]

All that cough syrup I had for breakfast. Amended version:

But someone has to play in the right side of midfield, and the ultimate goal is to make sure the best 11 footballers are on the pitch. Well, it is for most but evidence is Wally has other ideas.

How about then
...............................Smith...........................
...........Roget........Sonko..........Somner.............
Hunt....................Dobson................Frampton/Fieldwick
.........................Evans......................
..........................Tabb.................................
.................Peters........CarlisleGuy......................

At least here the best 11 players are on the pitch and none are in places where they're clearly not suited. And before you all say "Hunt on the right?!?", admit that he's better with the ball at his feet running at people, which cutting in from the right to create/shoot would be ideal, and that his crossing isn't exactly his strong suit. Allows Tabb to be in the 'hole' role, puts Evans in the middle of the park where they belong. Allows Dobson to come forward without us getting too exposed, same for Hunt and F/F.

Interesting.

I have a few problems with this.

Firstly no O'Connor, secondly why play Hunt on the right instead of the. I'd rather have Allen-Page on the right and Hunt on the left if you want to use wing-backs. Thirdly the midfield would be a disaster. If 3 men lined up like that we'd be destroyed.

 

[Boston Bee]

But better than my first iteration in which I needed 12 players!

I did suggest that "Hunt on the right?!?" would be the first comment, but see above. O'Connor shouldn't be on the right (see previous GPG ad nausium) and someone has to make way somwhere. I haven't seen enough of A-P to add him to BB's 'best 11'.

The midfield would hardly be a disaster. It's effectively a pair of central midfielders, one with more attacking responsibility but back when we're defending (Veron-like), one deep to confront their most attacking midfielder and to come forward as possible (the Keane/Butt role).

Think of it this way: When we're defending Sonko is cover behind Roget/Somner who have specific marking responsibilities of their front two. Dobson is 'sweeping' in front of the marking backs and picking up the most attacking midfielder. When we're going forward Sonko can step up between R/S while Dobson can move to a more advanced place. The two wing midfielders basically are told that they're to hold a line more-or-less with Dobson unless he's taken a chance forward in which case at least one of them is 'cover'; ie one or two of them can get involved deep but not all three. When we defend we defend with all but the front three (and Tabb is marking back but not further than say 35 yards), when we go forward we go forward we go with all save back 3 (and Dobson who goes no further than say 35 yards from their goal).

We have defense in numbers but enough forward to relieve pressure/win the ball if we hoof it out. And we have players with some ideas and some quantity actually trying to score a goal. We lack width but then...we lack wide players. You couldn't put Tabb or O'Conner in a traditional right sided midfield role without someone here telling you that they're not suited to it. The above tried to compensate for that.

Give me a week on the training pitch and I'd have 'em roaring.

Interesting.

I have a few problems with this.

Firstly no O'Connor, secondly why play Hunt on the right instead of the. I'd rather have Allen-Page on the right and Hunt on the left if you want to use wing-backs. Thirdly the midfield would be a disaster. If 3 men lined up like that we'd be destroyed.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

But better than my first iteration in which I needed 12 players!

I did suggest that "Hunt on the right?!?" would be the first comment, but see above. O'Connor shouldn't be on the right (see previous GPG ad nausium) and someone has to make way somwhere. I haven't seen enough of A-P to add him to BB's 'best 11'.

The midfield would hardly be a disaster. It's effectively a pair of central midfielders, one with more attacking responsibility but back when we're defending (Veron-like), one deep to confront their most attacking midfielder and to come forward as possible (the Keane/Butt role).

Think of it this way: When we're defending Sonko is cover behind Roget/Somner who have specific marking responsibilities of their front two. Dobson is 'sweeping' in front of the marking backs and picking up the most attacking midfielder. When we're going forward Sonko can step up between R/S while Dobson can move to a more advanced place. The two wing midfielders basically are told that they're to hold a line more-or-less with Dobson unless he's taken a chance forward in which case at least one of them is 'cover'; ie one or two of them can get involved deep but not all three. When we defend we defend with all but the front three (and Tabb is marking back but not further than say 35 yards), when we go forward we go forward we go with all save back 3 (and Dobson who goes no further than say 35 yards from their goal).

We have defense in numbers but enough forward to relieve pressure/win the ball if we hoof it out. And we have players with some ideas and some quantity actually trying to score a goal. We lack width but then...we lack wide players. You couldn't put Tabb or O'Conner in a traditional right sided midfield role without someone here telling you that they're not suited to it. The above tried to compensate for that.

Give me a week on the training pitch and I'd have 'em roaring.

Your ideas are very interesting BB but I can't see them working.

the 3 CB's will all want to be markers. That is the position they naturally take. The only one that tries to stay spare is Somner, who doesn't have the distribution to fulfill the role.

I am a bit confused that you consistantly talk about the best 11 and yet leave O'Connor out, he is better than almost all the players we have at BFC, and would be the first name I put in my midfield, ahead of Tabb. there has to be a place for him.

My comment about your midfield is more about the 3 in a row line up, which is puzzling. If we try to play like that we would be destroyed IMHO. The wingbacks will have to stay wide to eliminate the wide threat and tabb has to stay forward tolink the midfield and the attack yet Dobson has to sit in front of the back 3, which leaves Evans, or O'Connor, very isolated in the midfield.

 

[Boston Bee]

O'Connor for Evans then, I think Tabb has consistently brought a dynamic aspect to the team and shouldn't be sacraficed.

I see your point with the back three, but the alternative is Somner wide and I don't think that works at all. This could surely be schooled into Sonko, who I think fancies himself as this sort of player and would be eager to give it a go. The alternative of course is a flat back-4 with A-P on right and F/F on left, Somner watching. This thought doesn't disturb me either in the end.

In the end we're weak. Who plays on the right in midfield will be a worry all year. I've confessed that this makes us weak in our widths, but better there than down the middle. There's no isolating going on here. Dobson and Evans aren't far from a traditional central midfielding partnership - how many do you want in the middle. Evans defends as a central midfielder, but he knows that he has a bit more freedom to attack with Dobson beside him. Tabb has shown an ability to mark back so we're actually outnumbering them in the middle of the park, which is where I would prefer to be strong.

This is all predicated on Brentford being a team that simply has to play on the ground to succeed. We've got speed but no height or size beyond those back three. That's true no matter where you put people. In a conventional 4-4-2 we'll be stronger on the wings but beaten up in the middle of the pitch. My thoughts are an attempt to compensate for that.

Your ideas are very interesting BB but I can't see them working.

the 3 CB's will all want to be markers. That is the position they naturally take. The only one that tries to stay spare is Somner, who doesn't have the distribution to fulfill the role.

I am a bit confused that you consistantly talk about the best 11 and yet leave O'Connor out, he is better than almost all the players we have at BFC, and would be the first name I put in my midfield, ahead of Tabb. there has to be a place for him.

My comment about your midfield is more about the 3 in a row line up, which is puzzling. If we try to play like that we would be destroyed IMHO. The wingbacks will have to stay wide to eliminate the wide threat and tabb has to stay forward to link the midfield and the attack yet Dobson has to sit in front of the back 3, which leaves Evans, or O'Connor, very isolated in the midfield.

 

[Boston Bee]

...........................Smith...........................
...........Roget........Sonko..........Somner.............
Hunt................Dobson................Frampton/Fieldwick
.........................O'Connor......................
..........................Tabb.................................
.................Peters......Rougier......................

 

[West Ealing Bee]

If that's for tomorrow then Somner is unavailable due to being on International duty.

I guess you could play Frampton and Fieldwick.

 

[Dave Davis]

Hows about that instead


...........................Smith...........................
Dobson...........Roget........Sonko..........Frampton.....

O'Connor.........Evans .........Tabb...................Hunt....

.................Peters......Rougier......................

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Hows about that instead


...........................Smith...........................
Dobson...........Roget........Sonko..........Frampton.....

O'Connor.........Evans .........Tabb...................Hunt....

.................Peters......Rougier......................

I think we will play something like that.

O'Connor and Rougier may swap positions though.

I also think Beadle may get another chance, especially if we are going to play two genuine wingers.

 

[Dave Davis]

sadly playing the team above would mean
mr Clean shorts wouldnt get a game

 

[Boston Bee]

The 3-5-2 thing was actually posed this morning as a hypothetical by me, and wasn't meant to be a proposal for tomorrow.

I would love to see Mr. Davis' line-up tomorrow. Give it a try first with O'Connor at RM, see how well Rougier and Peters link-up me thinks.

 

[Sweepy]

How you people turn when things go pear-shaped on the field - what was West Ealing Bee and friends saying to me when I had the audacity to criticise our complete f*cking loser of a manager during the summer?

Now is not the time for "told you so", as indeed now is not the time to criticise over the left-back postition. The time for the left-back position was 12 months ago - when most people with a half a brain cell realised the Headless Chicken was making a complete f**k-up of the position.

 

[Sweepy]

Somner's away with Wales on Sat so he can't play at left back.

We should be so lucky. He's playing today. Obviously Wally must have been on the phone begging the Welsh not to use him as he is so invaluable to our squad.

So not only is the c*nt ruining Somner's career at domestic level, he is now ruining it at international.

Wally should NOT be a manager. He IS NOT a manager. He is a clown. He is CLUELESS. He should GO NOW.

Would BU have the guts to sack him for incompetence? Doubt it - they're making excuses already (ie. pay offs etc.)

So we can afford to pay off the valued forz*ni, but not the class clown.

WALLY OUT.

 

[SC]

I was screwing on Tuesday night when I saw his team selection.:mad2:

more screwing today then

 

[Sweepy]

I'm impressed that she can screw and read team selections at the same time. Sounds like the type of lady i'm looking for!

 

[Debbee]

more screwing today then

Too right I was...and sadly it was with rage again.

Mr Downes is now gonna get a letter of complaint from me and I want answers. :yes:

I say, let me be in charge for the Wrexham game.....I couldn't do much worse.

 

[SC]

I say, let me be in charge for the Wrexham game.....I couldn't do much worse.

I am going to avoid the bait and not give the obvious response.