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Stewart Talbot

Just wanted to see if it was only me that thinks Stuart Talbot is a waste of space! Granted he runs around alot but even that he does very slow :S For a central midfielder his distribution brings back memories of Jay Lovett. We have Chris Hargreaves who imo is one of the signings to really shine early this season and his substitution unless through injury was very undeserved in the wrexham game.
We need a player in central midfield who can yes win a ball but once they've won it look up and play a decent ball to FEET.

Well reply and tell me whether it is just me who thinks Talbot is a man in need of replacement.
 

Stewart Talbot

Re: Stuart Talbot

i kind of agree, but just when i come to that conclusion, he does something to completely change my mind..... not create enough for me... Hargreaves will have to take that role..

Downes signed him though ....
 

Stewart Talbot

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Talbot was one of the outstanding players in the side at the end of last season, not as a flair player but as someone who brought a calmness to the side which was previously full of headless chickens. So far, this season he has far less influence in a team full of better quality footballers. He is still worth a place in the side and I thought he had quite a good game on Saturday although he was awful at Chesterfield and anonymous at Doncaster. Again though, if the ball is pumped long, he's not going to have much involvement anyway is he?
 

Stewart Talbot

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thing is i think its norm him who pumps it aimlessly long. he should be a cool head bringing people into play with ease. wrexham on saturday hovered round our box on a few occasions picked the ball up and sprayed it round easily we never seem to have that "old head" which is talbots supposed role to do that job imho
 

Stewart Talbot

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Careful, you're making him angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.

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Stewart Talbot

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He mixes it - I like the way he plays a simple game, wins a tackle, foot on the ball and lays a pass off. Sometimes that's a long ball which doesn't come off. He'll never be a pretty footballer but he can certainly be effective and I would imagine a big influence on the youngsters.
 

Stewart Talbot

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blianstillman said:
thing is i think its norm him who pumps it aimlessly long. he should be a cool head bringing people into play with ease.
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His usual ball is a five yard sideways keep possession pass, cannot really recall to many long hopeful punts. There again footballs all about opinions, imho he does keep a cool head usually keeps it easy and keeps possession. I actiually think he knows his limitations and tries to keep to them. One small dribble saturday made him fall over, I don't think he wanted the ball that long, but didin't want to pass it aimlessly long either.
 

Stewart Talbot

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He helped to bring Hutch on a lot last season- although obviously Eddie H is "not without his detractors" on this site and amongst the fans generally, I'd say that we have an in-house replacement for Talbot if he can continue to improve.
 

Stewart Talbot

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I rate him and believe his experience along with Fitz, helped to keep us up at the end of last season. The hot weather and 3 games in a week did'nt help , but once we get into the season he will shine again. I personally think Talbot should be captain and let Dobbo concentrate on his game.
 

Stewart Talbot

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Talbot is a great plus for the team......I love him
 

Stewart Talbot

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think in time he will do very well for us - a valuble member of the squad :sorted:

:wave:
 

Stewart Talbot

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Last season his performnace, especially in the away games, allowed us to compete in midfield more than we have done for 2 seasons.

I think he is an excellent player, keeps it simple and capable of scoring some useful goals too.

He is also a leader, which could still be important if we need to supplement our team with youngsters.

The weather and the amount of football we played will not have helped him in the first week, but I wouldn't want to leave him out of any game. Especially when you look at possible replacements.
 

Stewart Talbot

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I'm a fan. Since he arrived in the spring he's brought some calmness & authority to midfield,and so far this season seems to be 1 of v.few able to get the ball down and try to play to feet, now that we have better quality players out wide & up front than before. He seems to win more than his fair share of 50/50 tackles & yes, he has no pace, but Hargreaves is in there to provide the hustle & bustle & I think they could form a decent central midfield for this Division in the coming weeks.(The upside of that will be the less-frequently inflicted one-paced meanderings of Eddie H. as he's banished to the sidelines....)

What worries me is that ST never seems to finish a game (if we can get him up to 90 mins I feel he would be a better option than Dobbo as Captain), and this could cost the team in tight games as we saw last season when conceding late goals...
 

Stewart Talbot

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blianstillman said:
Just wanted to see if it was only me that thinks Stuart Talbot is a waste of space! Granted he runs around alot but even that he does very slow :S For a central midfielder his distribution brings back memories of Jay Lovett. We have Chris Hargreaves who imo is one of the signings to really shine early this season and his substitution unless through injury was very undeserved in the wrexham game.
We need a player in central midfield who can yes win a ball but once they've won it look up and play a decent ball to FEET.

Well reply and tell me whether it is just me who thinks Talbot is a man in need of replacement.
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Were you even at the game?
Hargreves had a poor game. Rightly substituted, which led to our winner!

Talbot is not a waste of space. He is a leader & is the player we need to marshall the midfield & back four. I am a fan of him. He spreads the ball about well and has a good footballing mind.

Although I miss Hutchy in that midfield. He is great when it comes down to set pieces, ie using his head. :idea:
 

Stewart Talbot

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I can't believe that after 3 games people are questioning that some players shouldn't be in the team. So what that some players aren't firing on all cylinders at the moment. Just give it a few more games and they soon will. 2 wins from 3 games isn't bad when most of the team in peoples opinion is playing crap and should be dropped.

Get behind the team and support them.
 

Stewart Talbot

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When Talbot first came to us, he had a real stinker which got the fans on his back (was it Stockport?). Since then, I think he's been excellent. He and Fitz kept us up; part of the importance to the side was that he helped us to retain possession rather than have moves break down. Excellent at keeping the ball. quite good control. Less impressed by Hargreaves, who seems to be relatively similar in style. Neither's very fast, though - and nor is Hutch, which may be a problem later in the season.

However, I for one am looking forward to seeing Hutch back: proved a couple of times towards the end of last season that he's got a good football brain; proved capable of retaining the ball; wins just about every ball in the air; and 'runs' non-stop. (He also seems to be exactly where the ball breaks to when we're defending.)

Going back to Hargreaves, I must admit that although he hasn't impressed me as much as Talbot, he's no lightweight in the side, and he has only recently arrived. So I think I should reserve judgement.
 

Stewart Talbot

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Paul O'Brien said:
He and Fitz kept us up..... Going back to Hargreaves, I must admit that although he hasn't impressed me as much as Talbot, he's no lightweight in the side, and he has only recently arrived. So I think I should reserve judgement.
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I think that Talbot is the sort of player we will need in the dark and dangerous days of January and February, when the fancy ball-players are frost-bitten on slippery pitches. The likes of Talbot and Fitz (who were IMO a very major part of our survival last season) are stoppers and spoilers, and although Talbot has certainly been a bit quiet thus far, his time will come.
 

Stewart Talbot

Re: Stuart Talbot

Certainly I'd have to say that both Talbot and Hargreaves are a massive step up from the dark days of Hutch and Jay Smith at the beginning of last season. I think they could turn out to be a very good midfield duo, both reasonably comfortable on the ball and able to pass, just give them a bit of time to gel (like the rest of the team) after all it's only been three competitive games they've played together... I don't see we've got anyone anywhere near as good to come into the side unless we bring in a loan signing..
 

Stewart Talbot

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Agree entirely. Lets not forget our powder puff midfield of Tabb, Hutchison, O'Connor and Hunt for most of last season that got totally mauled when playing against the grown up sides we met during the year( I still shuddder when I think of Peterboro at home this time last year). The mixture MA has got appears to be the right idea in this division as you need a couple of players who can mix along with the creative guys. Whether hes got the right people is another matter , I trust his judgement however and believe this is going to prove a strong outfit as the season progresses.
The first 3 games are important as they build confidence and 6 points when not playing well is a real bonus.
I must say it is wonderful how we now talk confidently and critically of the side rather than over the past 2 seasons when I think for many of us we lived in hope whilst in pur hearts expected the worse. I for one now talk excitedly about the Bees to friends rather than the slightly embarrased moaning of the last couple of years when all I could think of to say was how awful Noades had been to us and as for the Faking It programme MY GOD!!
As stated elsewhere 'doom and gloom is sooooo last year'
You Beeeeeeeeeeeeeees
 

Stewart Talbot

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would that be the game where our esteemed manager mr downes said in his programme notes 'the season starts here'
and would that be the game where their keeper got an assist from one of his goalkicks?
and would that be the game where we lost 0-3?
 

Stewart Talbot

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Talbot seems to be travelling at half the pace of the other midfielders and yet still manages to win/retain possession of the ball and deliver a telling pass. I think they call it class!
 

Stewart Talbot

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blianstillman said:
Never went to that game wot happened?
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He was big strong and bossed the midfield, they booed him due to the Rotherham connection and the Wednesday midfield bounced off him. He was immense that day and to be fair I was unsure of him until then.
Must add I think his free kicks are poo. Get him in the box as I'm sure he'll win a header or two.
 

Stewart Talbot

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andyrew said:
Talbot seems to be travelling at half the pace of the other midfielders and yet still manages to win/retain possession of the ball and deliver a telling pass. I think they call it class!
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What he offers above all else is leadership. He gives the ball away a bit much at times but he wants to do everything and wants to run the game. It is what has been sorely missing since evo left, a player who is commanding all around him. Even evo was off the pace occasionally and gave the ball away, but you need a player like that!
 

Stewart Talbot

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Hargreaves has to spend the whole game worring aboutu when Turbot is going to give it away for him to have to go and get it back....give Hargreaves someone who can boss the midfield and watch him go....Hargreaves for Captain!!!
 

Stewart Talbot

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Talbot was absolutely awful today, kept giving the ball away needlessly.
 

Stewart Talbot

Re: Stuart Talbot

As he has been all season
 

Stewart Talbot

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-superbees2k3- said:
Talbot was absolutely awful today, kept giving the ball away needlessly.
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****ing hell qpeer lost 6-1,
SammmeBee said:
As he has been all season
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Talbot is not immortal the bloke has 2 bad knees.
 

Stewart Talbot

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-superbees2k3- said:
Talbot was absolutely awful today, kept giving the ball away needlessly.
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Funny old game game innit!
Mad Mick sat next to me thought that Talbot was our best player today!!!
I have to say that he certainly wasn't the worst!:sorted:
 

Stewart Talbot

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AT LAST !!! ppl are seeing what ive been seeing all season and since hes been here. He is a liability yes his job is to boss the midfield and put his foot in. However there are hundreds of non-league players that can make a tackle once he wins it he loses it just as quick hes a liabilty. Thje quicker "Eddie The Head" hutchinson returns the better for all concerned. UP the bees on thursday :D
 

Stewart Talbot

Re: Stuart Talbot

blianstillman said:
Just wanted to see if it was only me that thinks Stuart Talbot is a waste of space! Granted he runs around alot but even that he does very slow :S For a central midfielder his distribution brings back memories of Jay Lovett. We have Chris Hargreaves who imo is one of the signings to really shine early this season and his substitution unless through injury was very undeserved in the wrexham game.
We need a player in central midfield who can yes win a ball but once they've won it look up and play a decent ball to FEET.

Well reply and tell me whether it is just me who thinks Talbot is a man in need of replacement.
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I think Talbot is class.
Who put Sodje through for his beat 2 players and dive?.
Plays the ball simple but wins most and gives his all.
 

Stewart Talbot

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blianstillman said:
AT LAST !!! ppl are seeing what ive been seeing all season and since hes been here. He is a liability yes his job is to boss the midfield and put his foot in. However there are hundreds of non-league players that can make a tackle once he wins it he loses it just as quick hes a liabilty. Thje quicker "Eddie The Head" hutchinson returns the better for all concerned. UP the bees on thursday :D
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M Allen makes him captain & he is a liability? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

Stewart Talbot

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I thought Talbot did quite well today....
 

Stewart Talbot

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Not my Man of the Match but certainly didn't do too much wrong. Still on my teamsheet for Thursday.
 

Stewart Talbot

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Yes, he gave the ball away 2 or 3 times today - the law of averages says that that will always happen. They looked quite bad, I'll be the first to admit. But some people seem to be focussing on that whilst failing to see (or not wanting to talk about) all of the good things that he does. We definitely lack something when he doesn't play, and he was far from the worst player today.

He'll be on my teamsheet for some time to come so long as he's fit and he continues to do the simple things that a central midfielder should do (on the majority of occasions, anyway).

Get off his back. We have a poor run and the whingers start appearing from the woodwork.

We weren't at our best today, but with a bit of luck, could have won the game (let's remember that we hit the woodwork twice, and the sendings off disrupted the game). We certainly deserved at least a share of the points, IHMO, on the balance of play.
 

Stewart Talbot

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Talbot week in and week out does the simple thing the short pass to a player in space and not the hoof up the pitch more in hope than expectation. Yes he missed some pases today but i have a fond memory of him getting into difficulties ending up on the floor and still getting up and playing a telling pass. Speed no tenacity yes and to suggest that Eddie is a better option!!!!!!!!!!! god help us all
 

Stewart Talbot

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christom said:
Talbot week in and week out does the simple thing the short pass to a player in space and not the hoof up the pitch more in hope than expectation. Yes he missed some pases today but i have a fond memory of him getting into difficulties ending up on the floor and still getting up and playing a telling pass. Speed no tenacity yes and to suggest that Eddie is a better option!!!!!!!!!!! god help us all
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Hear hear! As I said earlier, people are always keen to focus on everything he does wrong, and I'm not really sure why this is. I thing that people just like to whinge about something when we lose.

If it's a straight choice between a fully fit Eddie and a fully fit Talbot, I'd take Talbot every time. No slur intended on Eddie - he certainly performed well towards the end of last season and hopefully, when he's fit, he'll make further progress, but if we only play two central midfielders, then Eddie wouldn't be one of them for me. Now if MA decided to play 4-3-3 (or 4-3-1-2), then Eddie could certainly play a part, but Talbot and Hargreaves would still be the first two names on the teamsheet for central midfield AFAIC.
 

Stewart Talbot

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Throughout the season so far ive seen him be in space outside the penalty area and instead of shooting just pass it back out wide.
 

Stewart Talbot

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He will miss the Hull game through suspension and we will miss him as he does all the unfancy bits and pieces that any team needs
 

Stewart Talbot

The culture of believing Talbot somehow brings anything to the team is a joke. His poor performances this season have plumbed a new depth today (or yesterday if we're being pedantic about it). His inability to complete the most simple of passes, chronic lack of pace and vision, expertise at losing posession and embarassing unwillingness to chase a loose ball - as captain - really beg the question: what did Steven Evans do wrong???
 

Stewart Talbot

Talbot has had some dogey games but so has everyone else, yes he was not at his best yesterday. But against Bristol City in the cup he was awesome. Dont try and blame individuals for us losing matches. it happens.
 

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Mulitinovic said:
The culture of believing Talbot somehow brings anything to the team is a joke. His poor performances this season have plumbed a new depth today (or yesterday if we're being pedantic about it). His inability to complete the most simple of passes, chronic lack of pace and vision, expertise at losing posession and embarassing unwillingness to chase a loose ball - as captain - really beg the question: what did Steven Evans do wrong???
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Brentford yesterday were in the play-offs yesterday. Today we are 8th. Last season we were in the bottom 4. I bloody hope Talbot gets the MOM award on Thursday night :rolleyes:
 

Stewart Talbot

bees66 said:
Brentford yesterday were in the play-offs yesterday. Today we are 8th. Last season we were in the bottom 4. I bloody hope Talbot gets the MOM award on Thursday night :rolleyes:
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True, but you certainly can't blame Talbot solely for that. How's about Tabb who's been awful this season, he had an even worse game than Talbot yesterday even succeeding in passing the ball off the pitch a couple of times. Rankin, too, ran around a lot and succeeded in nothing, Burton got himself sent off when we could have been a man up. Kev fell over and let them score and MA himself made a bit of a mess of his tactics, playing Sodje up front rather than bringing Harrold on..

It was a bad day at the office yesterday, lets just hope they ALL make up for it on Thursday....
 
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