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I've posted this confession elsewhere on previous occasions but in the 90's I lived in Coventry and held a season ticket there for a few years. Whilst you might think this is a plea for sympathy on a number of levels it's actually a lesson in what happens when a club eschews sustainability in favour of short term goals.

Coventry spent money like water on wages and high profile transfers under Atkinson and Strachan from a number of benefactors and a generous bank. When they were relegated from the Prem the club went into utter meltdown and are still financially screwed. They now play in a stadium owned by a rugby club. It was the classic example of reaching beyond your means and keeping going till it imploded.

Whilst I understand fans being concerned about losing our best players, expecting one person to bankroll the club on a long term basis is just daft. We have to sell when the price is right if we want to genuinely become a sustainable prem or even championship club. I've only been going to GP for five or so years but my 6 yo son and I love this club and the most important thing is that we are a genuine sustainable force for him to follow in the years to come. This idea that we are gambling by selling AG and others then trying to get good replacements is nonsense. We would be gambling by not taking £9m for him.

Whether you believe in a stats based model or not is irrelevant. (And btw what we are doing is far more subtle and complex than that.) What is important is the long term future of the club. This is something we all need to acknowledge and get on board with.
 

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Fully agree - and top marks for use of "eschews".

If £9m is being offered that's probably more than our entire tranfer income from 2005 to the end of last season.

We may have the odd less good season, if new players don' fit in quickly, but investing in good young players and selling at the right price has to be the way forward
 

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psg150 said:
I've posted this confession elsewhere on previous occasions but in the 90's I lived in Coventry and held a season ticket there for a few years. Whilst you might think this is a plea for sympathy on a number of levels it's actually a lesson in what happens when a club eschews sustainability in favour of short term goals.

Coventry spent money like water on wages and high profile transfers under Atkinson and Strachan from a number of benefactors and a generous bank. When they were relegated from the Prem the club went into utter meltdown and are still financially screwed. They now play in a stadium owned by a rugby club. It was the classic example of reaching beyond your means and keeping going till it imploded.

Whilst I understand fans being concerned about losing our best players, expecting one person to bankroll the club on a long term basis is just daft. We have to sell when the price is right if we want to genuinely become a sustainable prem or even championship club. I've only been going to GP for five or so years but my 6 yo son and I love this club and the most important thing is that we are a genuine sustainable force for him to follow in the years to come. This idea that we are gambling by selling AG and others then trying to get good replacements is nonsense. We would be gambling by not taking £9m for him.

Whether you believe in a stats based model or not is irrelevant. (And btw what we are doing is far more subtle and complex than that.) What is important is the long term future of the club. This is something we all need to acknowledge and get on board with.
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And until the revenues arrive from the stadium we will be always be under pressure to sell because of ffp.I'm not sure that we have actually lost a better player than those who have come in. Moses might be a candidate but let's see what Colin can do. As for Gray, l'm sure we will replace him with a striker capable of scoring sufficient goals at a fraction of what is paid to us.Rock on.
 

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Well said! I am in total agreement with all that has been written. I can only add remember Noads and QPR.
 

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psg150 said:
I've posted this confession elsewhere on previous occasions but in the 90's I lived in Coventry and held a season ticket there for a few years. Whilst you might think this is a plea for sympathy on a number of levels it's actually a lesson in what happens when a club eschews sustainability in favour of short term goals.

Coventry spent money like water on wages and high profile transfers under Atkinson and Strachan from a number of benefactors and a generous bank. When they were relegated from the Prem the club went into utter meltdown and are still financially screwed. They now play in a stadium owned by a rugby club. It was the classic example of reaching beyond your means and keeping going till it imploded.

Whilst I understand fans being concerned about losing our best players, expecting one person to bankroll the club on a long term basis is just daft. We have to sell when the price is right if we want to genuinely become a sustainable prem or even championship club. I've only been going to GP for five or so years but my 6 yo son and I love this club and the most important thing is that we are a genuine sustainable force for him to follow in the years to come. This idea that we are gambling by selling AG and others then trying to get good replacements is nonsense. We would be gambling by not taking £9m for him.

Whether you believe in a stats based model or not is irrelevant. (And btw what we are doing is far more subtle and complex than that.) What is important is the long term future of the club. This is something we all need to acknowledge and get on board with.
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You would think that most of us would agree with you, yet sadly many on this board have short memories. I never ever want us to return to those dark days of the late sixties. I never want to shake a bucket, I never want to walk to Wycombe, and I never want to walk to Hartlepool. If you think about it , this club is only just starting to recover from the Jack Dunnett years.
 

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psg150 said:
I've posted this confession elsewhere on previous occasions but in the 90's I lived in Coventry and held a season ticket there for a few years. Whilst you might think this is a plea for sympathy on a number of levels it's actually a lesson in what happens when a club eschews sustainability in favour of short term goals.

Coventry spent money like water on wages and high profile transfers under Atkinson and Strachan from a number of benefactors and a generous bank. When they were relegated from the Prem the club went into utter meltdown and are still financially screwed. They now play in a stadium owned by a rugby club. It was the classic example of reaching beyond your means and keeping going till it imploded.

Whilst I understand fans being concerned about losing our best players, expecting one person to bankroll the club on a long term basis is just daft. We have to sell when the price is right if we want to genuinely become a sustainable prem or even championship club. I've only been going to GP for five or so years but my 6 yo son and I love this club and the most important thing is that we are a genuine sustainable force for him to follow in the years to come. This idea that we are gambling by selling AG and others then trying to get good replacements is nonsense. We would be gambling by not taking £9m for him.

Whether you believe in a stats based model or not is irrelevant. (And btw what we are doing is far more subtle and complex than that.) What is important is the long term future of the club. This is something we all need to acknowledge and get on board with.
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Well said fella!! I would urge anyone panicking over a potential exodus of players to read tis post.
 

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psg150 said:
I've posted this confession elsewhere on previous occasions but in the 90's I lived in Coventry and held a season ticket there for a few years. Whilst you might think this is a plea for sympathy on a number of levels it's actually a lesson in what happens when a club eschews sustainability in favour of short term goals.

Coventry spent money like water on wages and high profile transfers under Atkinson and Strachan from a number of benefactors and a generous bank. When they were relegated from the Prem the club went into utter meltdown and are still financially screwed. They now play in a stadium owned by a rugby club. It was the classic example of reaching beyond your means and keeping going till it imploded.

Whilst I understand fans being concerned about losing our best players, expecting one person to bankroll the club on a long term basis is just daft. We have to sell when the price is right if we want to genuinely become a sustainable prem or even championship club. I've only been going to GP for five or so years but my 6 yo son and I love this club and the most important thing is that we are a genuine sustainable force for him to follow in the years to come. This idea that we are gambling by selling AG and others then trying to get good replacements is nonsense. We would be gambling by not taking £9m for him.

Whether you believe in a stats based model or not is irrelevant. (And btw what we are doing is far more subtle and complex than that.) What is important is the long term future of the club. This is something we all need to acknowledge and get on board with.
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Perfectly put mate.
 

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psg150 said:
I've posted this confession elsewhere on previous occasions but in the 90's I lived in Coventry and held a season ticket there for a few years. Whilst you might think this is a plea for sympathy on a number of levels it's actually a lesson in what happens when a club eschews sustainability in favour of short term goals.

Coventry spent money like water on wages and high profile transfers under Atkinson and Strachan from a number of benefactors and a generous bank. When they were relegated from the Prem the club went into utter meltdown and are still financially screwed. They now play in a stadium owned by a rugby club. It was the classic example of reaching beyond your means and keeping going till it imploded.

Whilst I understand fans being concerned about losing our best players, expecting one person to bankroll the club on a long term basis is just daft. We have to sell when the price is right if we want to genuinely become a sustainable prem or even championship club. I've only been going to GP for five or so years but my 6 yo son and I love this club and the most important thing is that we are a genuine sustainable force for him to follow in the years to come. This idea that we are gambling by selling AG and others then trying to get good replacements is nonsense. We would be gambling by not taking £9m for him.

Whether you believe in a stats based model or not is irrelevant. (And btw what we are doing is far more subtle and complex than that.) What is important is the long term future of the club. This is something we all need to acknowledge and get on board with.
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Wise words. MB isn't an oil rich arab or a Russian oligarch. He may well be very rich but when you consider the wages paid to Prem players and these crazy transfer fees it puts things into context. It makes me angry when people on here whinge about how the club is being run. Have they any idea of finance? They're probably the idiots who run up credit card debt that they can't pay back and then whine about how unfair it all is.
 

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West Wilts Bee said:
If you think about it , this club is only just starting to recover from the Jack Dunnett years.
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So true, he was one of the original boom and bust merchants, his action led to us almost following Accrington Stanley and led to the downsizing of the club and GP from which we will only really recover when we get to LR.

I will be sorry to see Gray and others go but the title of this thread is what it is all about. We are playing the long game, something much of the media and football dinasours don't get.
 

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Excellent post, suggest a few on here should read and note
 

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5 years..........go back and watch coventry.................................................
 

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West Wilts Bee said:
You would think that most of us would agree with you, yet sadly many on this board have short memories. I never ever want us to return to those dark days of the late sixties. I never want to shake a bucket, I never want to walk to Wycombe, and I never want to walk to Hartlepool. If you think about it , this club is only just starting to recover from the Jack Dunnett years.
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I always assumed you loved walking WW Bee?
:wave:
 

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This is the Benham model and it's worked so far.

Onwards and upwards ✊
 

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Well said. We all love this club and have supported it through the ups and downs. Sustainability should always be the aim, but that does not always mean success. I often hear Arsenal fans moaning about the lack of success of late, yet they are one of the few clubs without horrifying debt. I know we have a huge amount to thank MB for. The clubs success will shine on him. However who owes MB? Has the money been written off, spent? Is it a loan from someone or something? I want to believe in the success and the chance of it, but things can sometimes not work out how it was intended. If we had money like MB wouldn't we all do the same? His reasons and justification makes sense to me and long may the success continue. There will always be someone to moan and I hope he realises that they are the few.

I want it to work so that I no longer have people sing 'Brentford Nylons' at me when I mention the club I love, even when too young to possibly remember those adverts! Yet that exclusivity of supporting a team that many associate with me is one of the reasons I love it. Here's to the good ship and all who are along on the journey. Thank you MB.
 

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Frothybaby said:
Well said. We all love this club and have supported it through the ups and downs. Sustainability should always be the aim, but that does not always mean success. I often hear Arsenal fans moaning about the lack of success of late, yet they are one of the few clubs without horrifying debt. I know we have a huge amount to thank MB for. The clubs success will shine on him. However who owes MB? Has the money been written off, spent? Is it a loan from someone or something? I want to believe in the success and the chance of it, but things can sometimes not work out how it was intended. If we had money like MB wouldn't we all do the same? His reasons and justification makes sense to me and long may the success continue. There will always be someone to moan and I hope he realises that they are the few.

I want it to work so that I no longer have people sing 'Brentford Nylons' at me when I mention the club I love, even when too young to possibly remember those adverts! Yet that exclusivity of supporting a team that many associate with me is one of the reasons I love it. Here's to the good ship and all who are along on the journey. Thank you MB.
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I doubt that many of us would actually because it is a huge emotional and financial commitment. Financing a football club is generally speaking an ongoing liability. It's not like for example buying a new car where you sign the cheque and done with it. My guess and it's purely that is that MB has a commitment probably north of £20m plus per season just to keep us in the Championship and especially with the three and four year contracts which are now the norm. Granted there has been some windfall income (probably unwanted) in the past month with Moses and Dallas but unless MB has decided to row back and I don't believe that for a second then these monies will simply be churned and ploughed back into the club.

The monies that MB has injected from 2006 onwards has certainly come from his own pocket/annual cash flow income and nobody in their right mind would be lending MB or anyone tens of millions of pounds to invest in..........a football club.

Q) What do you do if you own a football club?

A) Find someone you hate and give it to them.

My own take is that MB has his house(s), cars and standard of living plus enough to ensure that his family never ever has to go short again. He's decided that he doesn't want to eventually die sitting on top of the biggest pile of money that the world has ever seen but rather to have some fun and enjoy seeing what he can do for Brentford with it plus leaving a legacy that will pass on to his son and his son's son's.
 

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abee said:
I doubt that many of us would actually because it is a huge emotional and financial commitment. Financing a football club is generally speaking an ongoing liability. It's not like for example buying a new car where you sign the cheque and done with it. My guess and it's purely that is that MB has a commitment probably north of £20m plus per season just to keep us in the Championship and especially with the three and four year contracts which are now the norm. Granted there has been some windfall income (probably unwanted) in the past month with Moses and Dallas but unless MB has decided to row back and I don't believe that for a second then these monies will simply be churned and ploughed back into the club.

The monies that MB has injected from 2006 onwards has certainly come from his own pocket/annual cash flow income and nobody in their right mind would be lending MB or anyone tens of millions of pounds to invest in..........a football club.

Q) What do you do if you own a football club?

A) Find someone you hate and give it to them.

My own take is that MB has his house(s), cars and standard of living plus enough to ensure that his family never ever has to go short again. He's decided that he doesn't want to eventually die sitting on top of the biggest pile of money that the world has ever seen but rather to have some fun and enjoy seeing what he can do for Brentford with it plus leaving a legacy that will pass on to his son and his son's son's.
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Whether right or wrong, I'm going with your view because I hope it's right and it makes me smile, especially giving a club to someone you don't like! Mr Cameron please accept this offer of (any team but Brentford!).lol
 

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Wonder how many people would be as worried about Gray not being with us if he belonged to another club, was on loan with us last season and we were told to stump up £9 million to sign him...
 
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