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Difficult one. Looked so comfortable first half but second half it all went south. Onus is on us to attack at home so maybe be a bit more adventurous.

Raya, Dalsgaard, Reid, Pinnock, Mads, Norgaard, Jensen, Janelt, Ghoddos, Toney, Marcondes

Ghoddos and Marcondes as no.10s behind Toney.

Ok, that's prob a bit too much change!! :D . Would stick with Mbeumo as I thought he did well first half. Rotate Canos and Fosu as per.. Norgaard and Janelt get one more go together but if it's still not working revert to rotating those two and two out of JDS, Jensen, Ghoddos and Marcondes..

Raya, Dalsgaard, Reid, Pinnock, Mads, Norgaard, Janelt, Jensen, Fosu, Toney, Mbeumo

Subs: Raya, Roerslev, Pontus, Marcondes, Ghoddos, Canos, Forss, Bidstrup, Zamburek
 

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We have to change our formation as teams are working us out. I would go 3 5 2 with Canos and Fosu as wing backs
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Dalsgaard Jansson Pinnock
Canos Norgaard Janelt Jensen Fosu
Toney Forss/Mbuemo
 

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Moysy said:
We have to change our formation as teams are working us out. I would go 3 5 2 with Canos and Fosu as wing backs
------------ Raya --------------------
Dalsgaard Jansson Pinnock
Canos Norgaard Janelt Jensen Fosu
Toney Forss/Mbuemo
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we have won 3 of last 5 so not working us out that well !
 

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nick logan said:
we have won 3 of last 5 so not working us out that well !
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I worked out that, getting 10 points from our last 5 games means keeping that up we'll end with 87 points, so we need to fluke a win from a draw to get 89, that will give us a very good chance of second place.

Pi$$ing about with formations does not seem an effective way of achieving that.
 

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It is worth remembering the following:

- Pontus and Winston played together for the first time Tuesday
- Christian and Vitaly have only twice started in the same team
- MBS is playing out of position
- Pontus and Christian are just a couple of games back from injury

And still we have gained four points out of six on our travels in the last two games, albeit that the performances were not great.

In such circumstances, the case is weak for substantial changes IMO. I would stick with Tuesday's starting 11 but we need to provide more support for Canos on the left, given MBS's limitations going forward, and our CBs need to braver bringing the ball out from the back when they have the opportunity.
 

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Is Ethan fit ?
 

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Janelt at LB to support Sergi and Marcondes into midfield,
 

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If we need to put players in to "support" other players, then there's something wrong. Whoever the players are, they need to work together in pairs and in triangles, that's a basic.
 

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The only change i would consider is ringing EP back
 

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Moysy said:
and lost 4 of our last 8
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yes teams have blips after 21 games unbeaten not that any teams have managed such good runs :sorted: .

Watford have 2 points more than us from last 5 but apparently they are unbeatable
 

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nick logan said:
yes teams have blips after 21 games unbeaten not that any teams have managed such good runs :sorted: .

Watford have 2 points more than us from last 5 but apparently they are unbeatable
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You can't argue with that as data. It's my usual outlook. Expect nothing. Hope for the best. Just because some of us have bleak hopes, anything can happen.
 

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nick logan said:
yes teams have blips after 21 games unbeaten not that any teams have managed such good runs :sorted: .

Watford have 2 points more than us from last 5 but apparently they are unbeatable
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Yes but we have not looked that good in the last few games either we seem to be missing Rico and Josh almost acting as additional strikers at times. I am not sure the current squad can offer this so maybe it is time to change the formation to suit the squad that we have.
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
I notice that despite all the hype surrounding Ghoddos not many are now picking him to start.
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Yes because CN is fit now and would be very harsh to drop Janelt or Jensen
 

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------------ Raya --------------------
Dalsgaard Jansson Reid Janelt
Ghoddos Norgaard Jensen
Fosu Toney Canos

Have to start Fosu as his record of starting games speaks for itself. I like the idea of a goal coming from midfield so have gone for Ghoddos who I think is more of a goal threat, and in my opinion looks decent.

I don’t like the lack of creativity with both VJ and CN in midfield, especially as we’re at home... and I don’t like the lack of attack coming from LB so would try Janelt who has played in that position in the past.

At least we have options to mix it up ??
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
I notice that despite all the hype surrounding Ghoddos not many are now picking him to start.
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That’s because he doesn’t deserve too ;) it’s a straight choice between fosu and mbeumo and unfortunately there’s no one to put any pressure on canos so he prob starts..if only we had another left winger or right winger to shake things up a bit...it’s where we are sooo lacking
 

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nick logan said:
Well , yes that too but he was never going to be first choice with everyone fit ?
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Yes but it was my impression from the expectations on here that he was going to be the bees knees as it were.
He is not a DM so VJ and CN nailed on
Attacking midfield if all fit Josh,Jensen, then Emiliano/Ghoddos, if he cost £4 Million as speculated I would have hoped for better.
His best position seems to be up with IT, but that is not a position we seem to employ.
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
Yes but it was my impression from the expectations on here that he was going to be the bees knees as it were.
He is not a DM so VJ and CN nailed on
Attacking midfield if all fit Josh,Jensen, then Emiliano/Ghoddos, if he cost £4 Million as speculated I would have hoped for better.
His best position seems to be up with IT, but that is not a position we seem to employ.
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how much is Josh worth and Jensen , loads more than that
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
Signing on fees are the ones to compare like for like.
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we can't just have 3 valuable midfielders in the prem or even top of champ. Hes done quite well and plenty more to come i reckon
 

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Our success last season was built on the Jansson-Pinnock partnership which looked rock solid. Couldn't understand why it wasn't restored on Tuesday and certainly should be on Saturday. They complement each other far better than Reid-Jansson
 

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Agree with Pinnock for Reid, but can Pontus manage 2 games in a week following his injury......
 

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badgerbee said:
Agree with Pinnock for Reid, but can Pontus manage 2 games in a week following his injury......
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he barely managed one! I’d keep Reid in and bring back pinnock. Plenty of time for Pontus. If we’re to stick with Norgaard and janelt I’d be inclined to play Christian further forward as he’s much better on the ball and we need to ‘look after it’ and do more with it further up the pitch. Wouldn’t be surprised though if one of Ghoddos or Marcondes started.
 

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I'd definitely stick with Janelt & CN. Makes us more combative (which we'll need to be against Forest) & gives more freedom to Jensen to do his stuff.
Thought it worked well at Blackburn & Derby (in the first half).
 

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Given how our wide players are struggling a little, I do think it would be interesting to play with two no.10s in behind Toney, would get dangerous players close enough to play off Toney and allow Norgaard and Janelt to both play in their more familiar positions rather than trying to shoe-horn one in. Would prob need Rico to be fit though as we’d want the full backs to provide the width and now is probably not the time to be experimenting too much with formations and personnel.
 

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PJ said:
I'd definitely stick with Janelt & CN. Makes us more combative (which we'll need to be against Forest) & gives more freedom to Jensen to do his stuff.
Thought it worked well at Blackburn & Derby (in the first half).
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We must be watching different games. I 100% agree that it makes us more combative, but at what cost? I’d rather see one than both personally, and have another creative player in the middle. More risky but more exciting, I’d like to see the football return a bit.
 

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Raya
Dalsgaard, Pinnock, Reid, Sorenson
Norgaard, Jensen, Janelt
Marcondes, Toney, Fosu
 

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jlove said:
If we need to put players in to "support" other players, then there's something wrong. Whoever the players are, they need to work together in pairs and in triangles, that's a basic.
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That's what I meant, there was no-one with whom Canos could make pairs or triangles particularly second half - he repeatedly received the ball, was trapped and had no-where to go but back to MDS still in his own half. I presume Janelt was meant to be the person connecting with him but it collapsed completely second half.
 

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It's a bit odd that so few are selecting our highest attacking contributors (so the "best") to make the front line:

Canós 7G 4A
Toney 27G 9A
Mbeumo 4G 10A

Seemingly preferring one or two of:
Fosu 3G 2A (the same as Janelt)
Ghoddos 3G 1A
Marcondes 0G 2A
 

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jlove said:
It's a bit odd that so few are selecting our highest attacking contributors (so the "best") to make the front line:

Canós 7G 4A
Toney 27G 9A
Mbeumo 4G 10A

Seemingly preferring one or two of:
Fosu 3G 2A (the same as Janelt)
Ghoddos 3G 1A
Marcondes 0G 2A
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i think I’m the only one to mention Marcondes and that was more tongue in cheek, though it’s weird that we have two players in the squad who ostensibly play best as a no.10 but we don’t utilise that role at all..

Ghoddos I think has only been mentioned as a more creative addition in midfield rather than playing both of Norgaard/janelt.

The Canos/Fosu/Mbeumo battle is an interesting one. I think those are the best or close to best stats Canos has returned since joining us? 10 assists from Mbeumo is an excellent return and really he should have a similar number of goals so it’s not hard to see why he’s a fairly nailed on starter despite many believing he’s been awful. Fosu has a big backing which appears to be based more on the ‘Fosu starts we win’ FACT rather than his general contribution on the pitch. The one thing he provides which the others don’t is a foil for Toney as he’s the only one who gets anywhere near close enough to him.
 

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jlove said:
It's a bit odd that so few are selecting our highest attacking contributors (so the "best") to make the front line:

Canós 7G 4A
Toney 27G 9A
Mbeumo 4G 10A

Seemingly preferring one or two of:
Fosu 3G 2A (the same as Janelt)
Ghoddos 3G 1A
Marcondes 0G 2A
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The one thing to note when comparing Fosu stats and contribution to the others, is that he’s had significantly fewer minutes. About half of Brian and almost half of Canos.

Although he’s contributed the same amount as Janelt, he’s played half the minutes he has too.

For balance, Ghoddos and marcondes have played a lot fewer too.

If we are going by contribution based on stats, Forss is the one that’s provided the most.
 

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jlove said:
It's a bit odd that so few are selecting our highest attacking contributors (so the "best") to make the front line:

Canós 7G 4A
Toney 27G 9A
Mbeumo 4G 10A

Seemingly preferring one or two of:
Fosu 3G 2A (the same as Janelt)
Ghoddos 3G 1A
Marcondes 0G 2A
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But Jensen plays regularly, how does he compare to the above?
 

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red_and_white said:
The one thing to note when comparing Fosu stats and contribution to the others, is that he’s had significantly fewer minutes. About half of Brian and almost half of Canos.

Although he’s contributed the same amount as Janelt, he’s played half the minutes he has too.

For balance, Ghoddos and marcondes have played a lot fewer too.

If we are going by contribution based on stats, Forss is the one that’s provided the most.
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Clearly, that's raw data for this season and, if you want, you can apply corrections on the basis that Fosu has played only 56% of the minutes of Canós, you then get into rounding issues as the numbers are quite small. You can select any statistic and play with it, whatever you want. For example, a better comparison may be WhoScored's average ratings for players with over 15 games which ranks them: Mbeumo (5th); Canós (6th); Fosu (12th). [Toney; Pinnock; Dasilva; Jensen, the top 4.]

In reality, those are the only three as choices for the 2 wide positions, although some have suggested other players, so the only real question is who should start and who remains on the bench. Within that, it's probably who should start on the right between Sergi and Tarique. If it's purely a personal choice for this thread, anyway.
 

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smiffy superbee said:
Same team .... but one thing, someone nip across to Boots and get a hundredweight of the Energy Pills that Barnsley take!
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Barnsley rotate their players, especially earlier planned subs, which might explain their extra energy

They've also recruited players with an emphasis on physical fitness (but who can play a bit too). I would say that we are potentially more skillful but probably less athletic
 

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jlove said:
Clearly, that's raw data for this season and, if you want, you can apply corrections on the basis that Fosu has played only 56% of the minutes of Canós, you then get into rounding issues as the numbers are quite small. You can select any statistic and play with it, whatever you want. For example, a better comparison may be WhoScored's average ratings for players with over 15 games which ranks them: Mbeumo (5th); Canós (6th); Fosu (12th). [Toney; Pinnock; Dasilva; Jensen, the top 4.]

In reality, those are the only three as choices for the 2 wide positions, although some have suggested other players, so the only real question is who should start and who remains on the bench. Within that, it's probably who should start on the right between Sergi and Tarique. If it's purely a personal choice for this thread, anyway.
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My longwinded point was that you can't compare these players on goal/assist output alone because they played different minutes.

My personal subjective choice is Sergi in a game like this.

Regardless, it is interesting that Whoscored.com has Forest's weakness listed as "Defending against attacks down the wings"

My team would be :

Raya

Dalsgaard
Jansson
Pinnock
Sorensen

Janelt
Norgaard
Jensen

Canos
Mbuemo

Toney
 

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red_and_white said:
My longwinded point was that you can't compare these players on goal/assist output alone because they played different minutes.

My personal subjective choice is Sergi in a game like this.

Regardless, it is interesting that Whoscored.com has Forest's weakness listed as "Defending against attacks down the wings"

My team would be :

Raya

Dalsgaard
Jansson
Pinnock
Sorensen

Janelt
Norgaard
Jensen

Canos
Mbuemo

Toney
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Happy with that. I would also like us to be a bit less predictable with the substitution timings. Let's take the game to Florist and be relentless. A decent win and clean sheet to take into the international break..
 

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jlove said:
It's a bit odd that so few are selecting our highest attacking contributors (so the "best") to make the front line:

Canós 7G 4A
Toney 27G 9A
Mbeumo 4G 10A

Seemingly preferring one or two of:
Fosu 3G 2A (the same as Janelt)
Ghoddos 3G 1A
Marcondes 0G 2A
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But these 3 players canos toney and mbeumo play in there best postions in the front line
but ghoddus and marcondes normally put in midfield and poor fosu but everywhere and always delivers
when played in his best position on the right of the front 3 so not fare to compare them like for like as not played in frontline much.
 

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You know what, I would go with exactly the same team as we played against Derby, give those lads another chance to put the midweek win right.
 

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Moysy said:
We have to change our formation as teams are working us out. I would go 3 5 2 with Canos and Fosu as wing backs
------------ Raya --------------------
Dalsgaard Jansson Pinnock
Canos Norgaard Janelt Jensen Fosu
Toney Forss/Mbuemo
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I do like this but I just can't see us changing the system at this point in the season. TF is quite conservative in that respect. He prefers fine tuning a tried and tested system.

I'd go

Dalsgaard Jannson Reid Pinnock

Norgaard Janelt Jensen

Fosu Toney Canos

LB is the sticking point and convincing arguments against both but I just think they would give us a bit more shape and solidity than poor MBS. In reality I think TF will persist with the starting XI against Derby but maybe rotate Ethan and WR.
 
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