Team v Grimsby

[tomisabee]

Has to be.............

----------------Hamer------------------
-Newton---Wilson---Bennett---Johnson-
-Williams---O'Connor--Connell---Poole---
------------Elder----Ademola------------

Subs: Brown, Osborne, Pead (Erm.....)

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Copied and pasted from Swansea thread;

This is the best team I can think of for Grimsby, and that's only if Elder and Wood are fit..

HAMER
NEWTON BENNETT JOHNSON WOOD
WILLIAMS O’CONNOR PEAD POOLE
ELDER ADEMOLA

SUBS: BROWN, OSBORNE, WILSON, OCHOA, CONNELL.


I wouldn't play Connell in CM in a big pressure match (i know, already..). Pead has prooven himself in that position in pre season and I feel we need some fresh forward options on the bench. Pead can not only defend but has shown in pre season that he isn't bad going forward.

 

[Wee Dave]

SUBS: ... CONNELL.

 

[VTG]

Copied and pasted from Swansea thread;

This is the best team I can think of for Grimsby, and that's only if Elder and Wood are fit..

HAMER
NEWTON BENNETT JOHNSON WOOD
WILLIAMS O’CONNOR PEAD POOLE
ELDER ADEMOLA

SUBS: BROWN, OSBORNE, WILSON, OCHOA, CONNELL.

I like this (is Wood going to be fit?) but would do this with it.

HAMER
O'CONNOR BENNETT JOHNSON WILSON
NEWTON WILLIAMS PEAD POOLE
ELDER ADEMOLA

I don't want Newton at right back.
I don't want Osborne anywhere near the pitch.

Subs: Brown, Bennett, Connell, Tomisabee, Gilham.

This would have been my IDEAL line-up had everything that was meant to be happening gone to plan:

HAMER
O'CONNOR PEARCE PHILLIPS WOOD
WILLIAMS SMITH POOLE(C) DICKSON
ELDER CONNELL

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Switch Johnson and Wilson and can Williams play in the middle?

I agree with not wanting to see Newton at RB and not seeing Osborne anywhere near the pitch but I don't see many other options at the moment.

 

[VTG]

The way I figure it, our defence is awful, so we may as well have a back 4 with 5 attacking players and Pead the holding man who can put balls out to the wings like he did in the pre-seasons. Don't know though, it's going from bad to worse. Just wonder what the hell's going on on the training ground.

 

[Alan D]

Don't think it matters who plays this fixture has away win written all over it. Back to the drawing board Scott.

 

[The Pipe]

You can all write the script, Heywood in the 90th min and 1-0 Grimsby.

However at least by all reports we played better than we did on Saturday ( probably not difficult) and that needs to be carried over on Sat. Andy may have had his hand forced with the injury to Elder and therefore a front pairing of Connell and Moses would be my preferred option. Midfield Williams, Pead, Kev and Poole with a defence of Wood ( presumably fit as late fitness test yesterday) Bennett, Wilson and Newton.

The defence is not ideal and we are missing a leader, I would like to see Poole having the armband and beleive that Pead in midfield may give us more guile than was seen on Sat and he, if he plays as he did pre-season, has the ability to make the telling pass on the ground to the forwards.

I appreciate the injury worries that surround the club and have to wonder what is going on at training however I expect the players to have a system and style of play that they are comfortable with and do not expect to read any comments from the management that the players were not doing what they were supposed to do as that, I am afraid is poor man management. AS takes the plaudits when it goes well and the criticism when it dont. I do not expect to hear in public that he is not happy with the players, as that I am afraid is down to him either picking the wrong players or not explaining to them exactly what their role is.

 

[birdy67]

I have to say that I believe the last two results to be largely irrelevant. Ok we all half expected a result at Bury, but it's fair to say that Bury proved to be a better side than most were expecting, and any away game in this league is a difficult one to come away from with more than a point. As for Swansea.....surely no one really expected us to win that!

But looking to Saturday I agree the game is one where we need a result. It's definitely one where we need to score and the absolute minimum must be a draw.

My biggest worry is that, following the last two games, and the general mood that seems to be prevelant on this board, it would be very easy for the fans to start getting on the players backs if things don't start to happen early on, and in my opinion that must not happen.

As far as I'm concerned the season starts on Saturday. Lets get behind the lads and I'm certain that they'll respond.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

No to Elder starting this one, Heywood will have him in his back pocket.
Moses to start

 

[Les Beeavinu]

No to Elder starting this one, Heywood will have him in his back pocket.
Moses to start

Ademola hasn't got the experience to cope yet and Heywood would have Connell in his back pocket more because his strength wouldn't let Connell settle on the ball which is what he likes to do. Elder would be best to try and move him around the park. Personally, I'd like to see Connell given the Smith role in midfield. I'll go for;

Hamer

O'Connor
Wood
Bennett
Wilson

Newton
Pead
Connell
Poole

Elder
Williams

in a 4-4-2.

 

[Simon C]

Ademola hasn't got the experience to cope yet and Heywood would have Connell in his back pocket more because his strength wouldn't let Connell settle on the ball which is what he likes to do. Elder would be best to try and move him around the park. Personally, I'd like to see Connell given the Smith role in midfield. I'll go for;

Hamer

O'Connor
Wood
Bennett
Wilson

Williams
Pead
Connell
Poole

Elder
Williams

in a 4-4-2.

Spot the deliberate mistake

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Spot the deliberate mistake

Newton. You know what I mean. :grey:

 

[dbee3]

GK Hamer
RB O'Connor
CB Bennett
CB Wilson
LB Wood
RW Newton
CM Peado
CM Williams
LW Poole
FW Ademola
FW Connell

SUBS

Seb Brown, Artus, Osborne, Elder and Johnson.

There you go Andy.

 

[taybren]

Hamer

KO'C Wilson KO Wood
Pead

Newton Poole

Connell

Moses/Elder Williams

 

[North London Bee]

Whoever's fit

 

[maddogging]

GK Hamer
RB O'Connor
CB Bennett
CB Wilson
LB Wood
RW Newton
CM Peado
CM Williams
LW Poole
FW Ademola
FW Connell

SUBS

Seb Brown, Artus, Osborne, Elder and Johnson.

There you go Andy.

Williams, centre midfield

 

[maddogging]

I'd imagine it will be

Hamer
Newton Bennett Wilson Johnson or Wood
Williams O'Connor Paed Poole
Connell Elder or Ademola

 

[Simon C]

I'd imagine it will be

Hamer
Newton Bennett Wilson Johnson or Wood
Williams O'Connor Paed Poole
Connell Elder or Ademola

Back to basics. If Butcher's tinkering last year has taught us anything it's that you don't end a losing run by trying fancy new formations and players in positions they haven't played before.

 

[VTG]

No to Elder starting this one, Heywood will have him in his back pocket.
Moses to start

Good point.
MOSES MUST PLAY!
Stick him right under Heywood's face and frustrate him, see if the little man's up to it but take out extra "thwown to the fwoor" insurance.

Hamer
O'Connor Bennett Wilson Johnson
Williams<->Newton Pead Poole
SuperMoses Connell

S: Whoever's still alive.

 

[mundee4england]

I'd imagine it will be

Hamer
Newton Bennett Wilson Johnson or Wood
Williams O'Connor Paed Poole
Connell Elder or Ademola

Id start with Elder and hope that he is in the agressive mood we saw last season and gives Heywood a hard time. If as is likely Heywood gobbles him up then bring Moses off the bench on the hour and get him to run at Heywood.

I hope Wood is fit as he impressed me alot at Bury.

 

[tomisabee]

I just Hope Wilson starts insted of KO. If Osborne starts we may aswell all leave before a ball is kicked.

I would also like to see Ademola start with Elder. Connell can go in CM with Kev playing behind him.

 

[SmiffyBee]

I just Hope Wilson starts insted of KO. If Osborne starts we may aswell all leave before a ball is kicked.

I would also like to see Ademola start with Elder. Connell can go in CM with Kev playing behind him.

yes, it's all Osbornes fault.

well spotted, young apprentice

....before he made his debut, v Hull, we were a Championship side in waiting.
Next season we went out of the cup to some South London West Ham wannabees, the season after we lost all our decent players and got relegated.

last season we lost 7-0, at Peter-eff'in Chavtown-Boro and all the goals were his fault.

i think it's well known now that Karliegh rubbed deep heat in Andy Scott's Burton Suit trouser lining, knowing full well, the gaffer goes commando, leading to some poor performances at the end of 2007/8.

Osborne then smacked Leigh Mills over the head, with his appendage, seen by some as pre-season Hi-Jinx, but this was the final straw for AS, as he split the two of them up.

I personally saw karleigh being paid cash money by Andy Bishop, before the Bury game

When Will DYKE rid us of this cancer

Fulham scum

 

[dunc2121]

Hamer

Newton
Wilson
Bennett
Johnson

Williams
O,connor
Pead
Poole

Elder
Connell

 

[wayfarer172]

Don't think it matters who plays this fixture has away win written all over it. Back to the drawing board Scott.

You miserable so and so.

 

[LingfieldBee]

Hamer

LB -Wood/Johnson ( Wood if fit)
RB - Newton (rather midfield but no other options)
CB - Wilson
CB - Want to say Bennet but he had a shocker last night but yeah alright Bennet

LM - Poole
RM - Williams (Want to see him run at players)
CM - KOC
CM - Pead

S - Connell (To drop deep when he can use his magic lol feed Moses)
S - Moses (run at slow Heywood!)

 

[steveleedsbee]

Hamer

O"Connor Bennett Wilson Wood

Newton Pead Williams Poole

Elder Connell

Connell has to play for me ok he was off at Bury but he still knows where the goal is and I personally think he will give Heywood a torrid afternoon. Midfield looks solid enough to protect a suspect defence

 

[DaveP]

As much as I was impressed with Elder last season I would agree with some who think he needs to be dropped. Assuming Grimsby will have a centre back pairing of Heywood and Hope (ex Gills?) we must attempt to play our way through them and not resort to hoofball. Heywood can only be slower now than he was last season but will still win everything in the air. Slide rule passes between the centre halves is the way to go

From what I saw at the Bury game, Moses looks quick so I would pair him with Connell, although the later needs some gym work imho, he is not physically strong enough to hold off centre halves when he has the ball with his back to goal and often loses out. We definitely need the creative Connell to feature in the side this season if we are to have any success

 

[Ace Face]

Hamer

KOC Wilson Bennet Wood/Johnson

Connell Newton Pead Poole

Moses Williams

 

[wanderer paul]

it wil be the fittest 16. end of!

 

[maddogging]

Hamer

O"Connor Bennett Wilson Wood

Newton Pead Williams Poole

Elder Connell

Connell has to play for me ok he was off at Bury but he still knows where the goal is and I personally think he will give Heywood a torrid afternoon. Midfield looks solid enough to protect a suspect defence

Hamer

KOC Wilson Bennet Wood/Johnson

Connell Newton Pead Poole

Moses Williams

Totally respect people's opionions on here, but just to put my mind at rest, any chance of the reasonings with playing Marvin Williams centre midfield (SJB's team), and then swapping Connell with Williams in Mr Face's team.......I for one think both ideas are bonkers, but as I say, am happy to here people's reasonings for it

 

[dbee3]

Totally respect people's opionions on here, but just to put my mind at rest, any chance of the reasonings with playing Marvin Williams centre midfield (SJB's team), and then swapping Connell with Williams in Mr Face's team.......I for one think both ideas are bonkers, but as I say, am happy to here people's reasonings for it

You think Newton is a right back? Think Williams is a worth a go sitting just in behind the front two and Newton would be seen to much better effect by switching to the right wing IMHO.

 

[SmiffyBee]

--------------Hamer------------
---------------------------------
Newton--Wilson---Bennett----Wood (Johnson is Wood is unfit)
----------------------------------
Williams--O'Connor---Pead-----Poole
----------------------------------
-------Ademola--Connell---------

However, that Centre Mid is a bit of a worry !

 

[VTG]

Heywood and Hope

Sounds like us last season
:no:

Smiffy: Swap Newton and O'Connor and you've got a deal.

 

[londondude]

GK- Hamer
DC- Bennett
DC- Wilson
DC- Johnson
RW- Newton
LW- Wood
DM- KOC
CM- Poole
CM- Williams
CF- Ademola
CF- Connell

Subs
Seb Brown
Artus
Pead
Elder
Osborne

 

[SmiffyBee]

Sounds like us last season
:no:

Smiffy: Swap Newton and O'Connor and you've got a deal.

I'm with the back to basics theory...the thought of Kev or Pead at RB scares me more than the thought of Kev or Pead at CB.

Newton was much better at RM than RB, but thats only based on 2 games
we need a viable RB/RM partnership to develop, and I think Newton / Williams is the plan.

Lets not experiment just yet by playing newton or Williams in a 3rd different position in 3 games !

 

[maddogging]

You think Newton is a right back? Think Williams is a worth a go sitting just in behind the front two and Newton would be seen to much better effect by switching to the right wing IMHO.

In our team, yes I do. We have had two games and already system changes are being called for, they can barely cope it seems with a 4-4-2, god knows how they would get on with someone sitting behind the front two, with a 3 man midfield. Don't get me wrong, those formations do seem attack minded, and thats what I want, but I just see no way that AS is going to risk anything other than a 4-4-2.

I think we will beat Grimsby regardless of what formation we play anyhow.

 

[dbee3]

I think we will beat Grimsby regardless of what formation we play anyhow.

If we play Moses up front, then I believe we can, but if Elder and Connell are the preferred option once again, think their defence will be tough to break down and they have some decent players, Stockdale in particular.

 

[VTG]

Newton was much better at RM than RB, but thats only based on 2 games
we need a viable RB/RM partnership to develop, and I think Newton / Williams is the plan.

He was crap at right back in the pre-seasons too, tbh. Possibly his natural desire to get forward is why he's nearly always caught out of position at RB as the ball sails over his head yet again to land at the feet of the oppo's left winger.

 

[SmiffyBee]

He was crap at right back in the pre-seasons too, tbh. Possibly his natural desire to get forward is why he's nearly always caught out of position at RB as the ball sails over his head yet again to land at the feet of the oppo's left winger.

Well the if alternative is Kev (RB) and Newton (RM), who then plays CM with Pead ?
I think we are in a corner with quite a few players apparently out for this Saturday.

 

[taybren]

7 first team players out i think!!!

 

[MetalBee]

This might be the strongest line up I can think of. Assumes Wood and Elder are fit to play.

Hamer

Newton
Bennet
Johnson
Wood

Williams
O Connor
Pead
Poole

Elder
Ademola

Subs: Brown, Wilson, Osborne, Connell, Ruddick if he's in the squad?

If wood and Elder aren't fit then:

Hamer

Newton
Bennet
Wilson
Johnson

Williams
O Connor
Pead
Poole

Connell
Ademola

Sorry to say I don't think that strike force would work too well atm. Yes they're quick and skillful players coupled with Heywoods centre back partner (Hope) apparently being tripe but Connell and Ademola aren't strong and if they don't get the space to be creative then we're in the sh*t.

 

[taybren]

i think wilson should play instead of johnson at centre back this of course if wood is fit

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Totally respect people's opionions on here, but

Translated as "WTF are you on about!"

 

[robBEEh]

I think we will beat Grimsby regardless of what formation we play anyhow.

What was that bet I was saying i would lay? :scratch:

Times change

 

[Ace Face]

Totally respect people's opionions on here, but just to put my mind at rest, any chance of the reasonings with playing Marvin Williams centre midfield (SJB's team), and then swapping Connell with Williams in Mr Face's team.......I for one think both ideas are bonkers, but as I say, am happy to here people's reasonings for it

My reasoning is that our big CF is apparently off form and I think we would be playing into the hands of sussed up teams in this league, who would expect long balls to big CF.

Of what I have seen of Williams, he isn`t the greatest deliverer of final balls but he could shoot possibly.

A CM with Pead and KOC in is going to bore me to tears sadly.

 

[maddogging]

My reasoning is that our big CF is apparently off form and I think we would be playing into the hands of sussed up teams in this league, who would expect long balls to big CF.

Of what I have seen of Williams, he isn`t the greatest deliverer of final balls but he could shoot possibly.

A CM with Pead and KOC in is going to bore me to tears sadly.

Who would have believed we would be turning up at GP for the first game of the season, and the centre midfield pairing likely to be Paed and KOC.....

 

[Travel Tavern Bee]

Sorry to say I don't think that strike force would work too well atm. Yes they're quick and skillful players coupled with Heywoods centre back partner (Hope) apparently being tripe but Connell and Ademola aren't strong and if they don't get the space to be creative then we're in the sh*t.[/QUOTE]

Or on the other hand if we lob balls up to Elder all day Heywood will have a field day.

 

[letsallgotolourdes]

it's obvious!

Why the big fuss it's obvious

phillips
nelmes
bence
gelson
hawley
docherty
ross
graham
o'mara
cross
turner

 

[robBEEh]

New season, game 2, 1st at home, come onnnnn....... What a fekin mess..............