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Right, time for us to have a go at being a knee-jerk makeshift manager after a 0-4 defeat. lol

IMHO drastic change isn't needed and our formation has worked pretty well thus far, but we have to make ourselves less predictable to the opposition.

FWIW, I'd go for:

Button
Odubajo Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
McCormack Douglas
Gray Judge Pritchard
Betinho

. I was one of those who never wanted Craig dropped after the B'ham game. A steady, dependable presence at the back trusted by his colleagues. He has to come back in the side IMHO.

. McCormack and Douglas with Judge given a more free role in front when on the ball but helping out these two when we're not in possession, gives our midfield a much more solid look and we're less likely to be overrun on the counter.

. I think Pritchard and Gray could cause all sorts of problems on for defenders on the flanks. The former with his skill and trickery; the latter with his pace and rawness. Indeed, a right flank with Gray and Odubajo overlapping could frighten the life out of teams. Moreover, both have the pace and workrate to track back. I understand those who say Moses is wasted at RB, but until Nico is fit he is the best option in that position.

. I liked what I saw from Betinho's cameo against Norwich. He seem to have all round strikers attributes and the little man won more headers in that 15 minutes than Proschwitz has won since he arrived at the club. Only the management know if he's match fit but if so, definitely worth a go IMHO.

We all know :warbs: will sort it out, but until Saturday, let the 'right' team and formation speculation begin! :D
 

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Right, time for us to have a go at being a knee-jerk makeshift manager after a 0-4 defeat. lol

IMHO drastic change isn't needed and our formation has worked pretty well thus far, but we have to make ourselves less predictable to the opposition.

FWIW, I'd go for:

Button
Odubajo Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
McCormack Douglas
Gray Judge Pritchard
Betinho

. I was one of those who never wanted Craig dropped after the B'ham game. A steady, dependable presence at the back trusted by his colleagues. He has to come back in the side IMHO.

. McCormack and Douglas with Judge given a more free role in front when on the ball but helping out these two when we're not in possession, gives our midfield a much more solid look and we're less likely to be overrun on the counter.

. I think Pritchard and Gray could cause all sorts of problems on for defenders on the flanks. The former with his skill and trickery; the latter with his pace and rawness. Indeed, a right flank with Gray and Odubajo overlapping could frighten the life out of teams. Moreover, both have the pace and workrate to track back. I understand those who say Moses is wasted at RB, but until Nico is fit he is the best option in that position.

. I liked what I saw from Betinho's cameo against Norwich. He seem to have all round strikers attributes and the little man won more headers in that 15 minutes than Proschwitz has won since he arrived at the club. Only the management know if he's match fit but if so, definitely worth a go IMHO.

We all know :warbs: will sort it out, but until Saturday, let the 'right' team and formation speculation begin! :D


Looks good to me. Luton fans said that AG is better playing on the right flank, and they know him better than us.
 

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I can't see any reason to drop Jota. From what I have heard he was not one of our worst players on Saturday and if he is to succeed with us he needs a good run in the team. Gray has done very little wrong but deserves a break.

Button
Odubajo Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
McCormack Douglas
Judge Jota Pritchard
Betinho
 

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Wasn't at the last game but if it was anything like the previous I'd like to see Moses back on the right wing and causing problems for the opposition (as well as Mac did in midfield in that game).
So I'd have a dabble with:
Button
McCormack Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
Judge Douglas
Odubajo Pritchard Jota
Gray

Dougie to hold/distribute and sit. Judge given more licence to push up as required. Pritch to cause problems on the edge of their box. Gray to get the first half, and stay on if doing well, or be replaced by Betinho if not doing well (or tiring during the 2nd half).
 

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McCormack Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
Judge Douglas Jota
Odubajo Gray Dallas
 

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Moses Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
Douglas McCormack
Pritchard Judge Jota
Betinho
 

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No Odubajo at right back please ..... :mad1:
 
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Button
Tarkowski Dean Craig

Odubajo Mcormack Douglas Judge Bidwell
Gray Bethino


We have to start defending further forward and also need 2 forwards, if you go straight 4-4-2 you will get overrun centrally more often than not due to the current favoured 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 that most now employ. It probably won't happen, and if it doesn't we still need Mcormack alongside Douglas as Judge and Pritchard are too similar and too often are not near enough to Douglas to give hime much needed support in front of back 4.
 

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Sometimes the mid field looks too cluttered. With five midfielders joined by two full backs, little wonder the ball is not getting into the danger area. It is just getting passed sideways until it goes to an opposing player.
 

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Button
Tarkowski Dean Craig

Odubajo Mcormack Douglas Judge Bidwell
Gray Bethino


We have to start defending further forward and also need 2 forwards, if you go straight 4-4-2 you will get overrun centrally more often than not due to the current favoured 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 that most now employ. It probably won't happen, and if it doesn't we still need Mcormack alongside Douglas as Judge and Pritchard are too similar and too often are not near enough to Douglas to give hime much needed support in front of back 4.

You are nothing if not consistent in your wish for a 3 man defence mate !
Not a bad shout .
 

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Button
Tarkowski Dean Craig

Odubajo Mcormack Douglas Judge Bidwell
Gray Bethino


We have to start defending further forward and also need 2 forwards, if you go straight 4-4-2 you will get overrun centrally more often than not due to the current favoured 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 that most now employ. It probably won't happen, and if it doesn't we still need Mcormack alongside Douglas as Judge and Pritchard are too similar and too often are not near enough to Douglas to give hime much needed support in front of back 4.

Interesting idea and certainly worth a go in training as plan B. The problem with three at the back though is always the attacking space for the opposition on the flanks
 

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Is there a clue about next Saturday's line-up in today's Dev Squad team which features Craig, Toral and Betinho or are they just getting much needed game time?
 

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Interesting idea and certainly worth a go in training as plan B. The problem with three at the back though is always the attacking space for the opposition on the flanks

That is what wing backs are for. The way we currently play often leads to exposure on the wings, as the full backs go forward and Douglas has to sit in to make a
3. Problem then though is Judge and Pritchard are so far away from Douglas, we get overrun centrally. Playing 3 at the back doesn't mean that when needs must, it isn't a 5.
 

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Moses Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
McCormack Douglas
Jota Judge Pritchard
Gray

To those who don't like Moses at full back IMO he has the space in front of him to exploit as well as giving us pace at the back. We need a bit of steel in mid so Mac can nibble there. Betinho isn't match fit so Gray stays. If Dean doesn't like being left out he can't argue with 9 goals conceded in three games, he can't play full back and Tarky is better than him.
 

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Button

McCormack Dean Craig Bidwell

Tarkowski

Dallas JD Judge

Moses Grey
 

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As i havent seen Tébar play yet it is difficult for me to comment but would he not work in a central two of Douglas and himself protecting the back 4? with the like of Moses, Pritchard and Judge supplying Gray?

Something like:

Button

McCormack
Tarkowski
Craig
Bidwell

Douglas
Tébar

Odubajo
Pritchard
Judge

Gray
 

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Is there a clue about next Saturday's line-up in today's Dev Squad team which features Craig, Toral and Betinho or are they just getting much needed game time?

You might, perhaps, have hoped that this lineup

Brentford DS: Nik Tzanev; Raphael Calvet, Daniel O'Shaughnessy, Tony Craig, Aaron Greene; Louis Hutton, Jon Toral; Charlie Adams, Betinho, Montell Moore; Bradley Clayton
Subs: Jordan Carey, Jermaine Udumaga, Tyrell Miller-Rodney, Josh Clarke, Kieran Morris

would have been able to beat the Owls DS.

But back to topic; having shipped 8 (yeap eight) goals (if you include B&HA's second) without response defo calls for the return of Tony Craig alongside Tarky IMO.
 

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Personally I don't believe we need to change much, if anything. I'd have the same team that played against Boro with the possible exception of Craig and Betinho in for Dean and Gray
 

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As i havent seen Tébar play yet it is difficult for me to comment but would he not work in a central two of Douglas and himself protecting the back 4? with the like of Moses, Pritchard and Judge supplying Gray?

Something like:

Button

McCormack
Tarkowski
Craig
Bidwell

Douglas
Tébar

Odubajo
Pritchard
Judge

Gray

You have liked this Nick Logan, and also liked above a team with Jota in it! So, do you want him to play or not?
 

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You have liked this Nick Logan, and also liked above a team with Jota in it! So, do you want him to play or not?

Yes i do he is class, i also like the team with Tebar in. There are loads of combinations i would be happy with.
 

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button
mac Craig tarky bidwell

pritchard Douglas toumani

odubajo Gray judge
 

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Button

Yennaris Tarkowski Craig Bidwell

Douglas McCormack

Odubajo Pritchard Jota

Gray
 

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Button

McCormack Dean Craig Bidwell

Tarkowski

Dallas JD Judge

Moses Grey

Not a bad shout I think Tarkowski is a bit like Macca you could put him anywhere on the pitch.We have a talented enough squad to be able to pick numerous line ups that should be capable of us getting the 3 points needed Saturday.
 

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I can't see any reason to drop Jota. From what I have heard he was not one of our worst players on Saturday and if he is to succeed with us he needs a good run in the team. Gray has done very little wrong but deserves a break.

Button
Odubajo Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
McCormack Douglas
Judge Jota Pritchard
Betinho

This is the right team to start. Gray needs a break and we have been looking a bit physically lightweight in midfield. We have options from the bench if we need to change things later in the game.
 

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Button
Yennaris Dean Craig Tarkowski Bidwell
Mccormack Douglas
Odubajo Judge Pritchard

No recognised striker but all front 3 capable of goals backed by a strong defence with 3 centre backs to stem flow of goals against.
 

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Button

New Tarkowski Craig Bidwell

Douglas Mac

Moses Pritchard Judge

Gray

Subs Bonham, Dean, Betinho, Jota, Moore, New Striker, Dallas
 

Team vs Leeds

Button

New Tarkowski Craig Bidwell

Douglas Mac

Moses Pritchard Judge

Gray

Subs Bonham, Dean, Betinho, Jota, Moore, New Striker, Dallas


new RB and new striker...........in your dreams ;)
 

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There is no way you could have seen him enough to come to that conclusion.

We will see, just looking at him physically he seems small, and upper body does not look up to the demands of a 6'3'' defender, part of
a 2 up yes but lone target man I very much doubt it.
Seems NLB's mate agrees from his performance in Dev.Squad (Betinho forum 243)
 
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I'd go with
Button
Moses Tarky Craig Bidwell
Dougie Macormack
Pritchard judge
Dallas Gray
Use Moses and Bidwell as wing backs

Subs
Bonham I guess
Jota
Toral
Dean
Toums
Boutinho
Proswitz
 

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Button
Yennaris Dean Craig Tarkowski Bidwell
Mccormack Douglas
Odubajo Judge Pritchard

No recognised striker but all front 3 capable of goals backed by a strong defence with 3 centre backs to stem flow of goals against.

All due respect but with that line up it's a forward line of midgets and no natural striker so it's a no from me.
 

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I'd go with
Button
Moses Tarky Craig Bidwell
Dougie Macormack
Pritchard judge
Dallas Gray
Use Moses and Bidwell as wing backs

Subs
Bonham I guess
Jota
Toral
Dean
Toums
Boutinho
Proswitz

Three of the Iberian contingent on the bench and the other one not even in the squad - crazy in my view! Dallas was awful against Norwich. Why play him over Jota? If this were our response to the first negative turn of the season, I think we will struggle!
 

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Three of the Iberian contingent on the bench and the other one not even in the squad - crazy in my view! Dallas was awful against Norwich. Why play him over Jota? If this were our response to the first negative turn of the season, I think we will struggle!

Why crazy...none of them have set the world alight thus far. Jota has done ok in parts but no more. Betinho is still very much an unknown quantity.

Dallas wasn't great against Norwich but all players have off game and he's been one of out most consistent players this year and even when not fully firing his tireless workrate has been outstanding- something which was evidently missed against Boro on Saturday!!!!
 
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I thought Dallas did well and is capable of scoring a goal. Jota is class but needs a bit of time to settle. I have also been very impressed with Toral especially his cameo up at Rotherham but think we should try and be a bit more compact to counter leeds and then bring our other flair players on once they tire. I think this team gives us the attacking flair but protection when both full backs go forward and I think this side is strong enough to win. I just want three points after all with whatever formation /team available.
 

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We will see, just looking at him physically he seems small, and upper body does not look up to the demands of a 6'3'' defender, part of
a 2 up yes but lone target man I very much doubt it.
Seems NLB's mate agrees from his performance in Dev.Squad (Betinho forum 243)

We don't play with a target man ..

I think he will be fine with our style of play.

He scored in the dev game.

Never trust someone else's mate.
 

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Why crazy...none of them have set the world alight thus far. Jota has done ok in parts but no more. Betinho is still very much an unknown quantity.

Dallas wasn't great against Norwich but all players have off game and he's been one of out most consistent players this year and even when not fully firing his tireless workrate has been outstanding- something which was evidently missed against Boro on Saturday!!!!

It's crazy because 1/ the only way these players will settle is if they are given a reasonable run in the team; and 2/ we are likely to win more games if we have that little bit of extra quality that helps us break defences down. Workrate is of course important but it will not secure us a safe position in this league.
 

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The Spaniards are either not fit or too lightweight at present.
Serious concerns about having three or four on the bench for any game
until they beef up. Add Pritchard as I believe he is also currently struggling.
Need a couple of experienced men until the lightweights are ready - too many
luxury players in the squad in my opinion
 

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Button
Odubajo Tarky Craig Bidwell
Douglas
Gray McCormack Jota
Nick Betinho

Subs bench for a tired looking Judge & Pritch
 

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Bring Craig back for sure.

Other than that same as before with mac back to rb and Moses on the right.

Let's not panic.
 

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Button
Moses Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
Douglas

Judge Jotta

Gray Betinho Pritchard
 

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The Spaniards are either not fit or too lightweight at present.
Serious concerns about having three or four on the bench for any game
until they beef up.
Add Pritchard as I believe he is also currently struggling.
Need a couple of experienced men until the lightweights are ready - too many
luxury players in the squad in my opinion

So, you wouldn't even have them on the bench, let alone in the team! This approach is so typically English and, IMO, guaranteed to see us heading quickly back to where we have just come from!
You need a strong spine to a team, of course, but its jobs is to give the flair players the opportunity to play. Without them doing this we will get absolutely no-where.
 

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I'd go with
Button
Moses Tarky Craig Bidwell
Dougie Macormack
Pritchard judge
Dallas Gray
Use Moses and Bidwell as wing backs

Subs
Bonham I guess
Jota
Toral
Dean
Toums
Boutinho
Proswitz

Have we signed a new keeper ? :looks:
 

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We don't play with a target man ..

I think he will be fine with our style of play.

He scored in the dev game.

Never trust someone else's mate.

We play 451 with a central striker(not a target man if you insist) if we play Betinho up top on his own I am sure he will struggle as did Grigg and Trotta I would be
very surprised if he played the lone striker in portugal.
 

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Island Bee ..... If the Spaniards are not ready then they are no use
In the team or on the bench. Give me Dave & Sam Saunders.
 

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Button
McCormack Tarkowski Craig Bidwell
Judge Douglas Jota
Odubajo Gray Dallas

Same for me. Pritchard not quite up to it recently and have been impressed with Dallas. Moses needs to play where he is most effective which is wide right.
 

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Island Bee ..... If the Spaniards are not ready then they are no use
In the team or on the bench. Give me Dave & Sam Saunders.

Sam and Dave have qualities sure, but, with regard particularly to the latter, they are different qualities from our Iberian foursome. You seem to be the only person who thinks Jota is not ready, and Bethino and Toral have barely played. I can't see how leaving them out of the squad and sending them off to the gym is really going to help us tbh!
 
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