The Andy Scott Thread

[hillrunner]

It appears tpo me that AS allways blaims his players, yet he should take the responsibility for what goes on. first we had to watch playrs playing out of posistion now the players are in there right posistion the problems are still the same, does AS think he is God and can do no wrong, its about time the BFC board had him in for a chat as I think he is now clearly past his sale by date.
The performancs yesterday ranks in my five worse displays ever along with yeovil, and I have been watching the bees for 47 years. :mad1:

 

[Holysmit]

He's going through a rough patch.

This is first mangerial job and he is still learning, he is going to make mistakes, I think people are going far to over the top with their views on Scott and how he should go.

And while that peformance was bad its nowhere near my five worst peformances ever.

Andy will turn it round and is the right man for the job, he just needs to sit down and think about a few things. Maybe Terry Buillavent should have a word, or he should ring up Ray Lewington or one of his other previous coaches/managers for a bit of advice.

Andy will get it right.

 

[hillrunner]

Before we are relegated????:sad:

 

[rebus]

He's going through a rough patch.

This is first mangerial job and he is still learning, he is going to make mistakes, I think people are going far to over the top with their views on Scott and how he should go.

Completely agree. The players should also take responsibility as you can coach them all week but once they go over that white line it's down to them.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

As long as AS realises and is able to strenghten the squad in January then he is the man for the job. If he buries his head in the sand and keeps saying were doing it in training and not on the pitch and that were playign well and were just unlucky then perhaps we do need someone else. We all have to remember what a manager thinks and says are generally two different things and hopefully this is the same with AS. I just hope this is the case and although AS is saying everything is fine behind the scenes he is looking to make the much needed alterations.

UP the Bees!

 

[rhprice]

I have heard it said, by the bint on the football league show, That AS could be out on his ear by weds, If, and only if, would a call to maddog be such a bad idea

 

[Bizzy Bee]

If we were to "get rid" of AS:-

A): Wouldn't we have to pay up the rest of his five year contract?

B): Who is out there that has better qualities that we can afford having done A):?

 

[bees52 bomber]

andys sell buy date gone

maddog been a naughty boy deffo a no no, as for as more performances like orient and now exeter the writings on the wall maybe tb takes the reins or some other out of work muppet

 

[hillrunner]

How about someone with passion and his head stuck up his arse!

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

If we were to "get rid" of AS:-

A): Wouldn't we have to pay up the rest of his five year contract?

B): Who is out there that has better qualities that we can afford having done A):?

I thought AS changed his contract to a 1 year rolling contract surely we wouldnt have to pay 5 years money for that?

 

[hillrunner]

sorry not someone with his head stuck up his arse!

 

[Jimbee]

I have heard it said, by the bint on the football league show, That AS could be out on his ear by weds.

If this happens, I'm finished.

 

[cromerbee]

If we were to "get rid" of AS:-

A): Wouldn't we have to pay up the rest of his five year contract?

B): Who is out there that has better qualities that we can afford having done A):?

I'd have MA back straight away. He's used to working here for peanuts. Sure Chelt would be pleased to get rid after his apparent misdemeanour.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

I'd have MA back straight away. He's used to working here for peanuts. Sure Chelt would be pleased to get rid after his apparent misdemeanour.

We won the league last year FFS Of course we aren't where we want to be at the moment but you can't simply chop and change managers the moment the chips are down. AS was being hailed as the new Messiah at the end of last season so some people have very short memories. We're not even half way through the season yet so it's not like there isn't time to turn things around is it.

And all that aside, have a look at Cheltenham's league position. If MA was the manager down there, I know what the reaction of the fans would be to the Board ousting AS in favour of the manager of a team currently fourth bottom of the league we were so desparate to get out of.

 

[Doovster]

We won the league last year FFS Of course we aren't where we want to be at the moment but you can't simply chop and change managers the moment the chips are down. AS was being hailed as the new Messiah at the end of last season so some people have very short memories. We're not even half way through the season yet so it's not like there isn't time to turn things around is it.

And all that aside, have a look at Cheltenham's league position. If MA was the manager down there, I know what the reaction of the fans would be to the Board ousting AS in favour of the manager of a team currently fourth bottom of the league we were so desparate to get out of.

Couldn't agree more.

Things aren't good at present and there is much to work on.

However we are higher than the other three sides that got promoted with us.

Maddog took Cheltenham down last year and they are struggling this year, why does a previous good spell in charge mean he will be the answer to our current problems?

All managers go through rough spells. We need stability at this club and whatever peoples views of Scotty one thing I do know is he bleeds red and white and he will be hurting as much as any of us with recent performances.

Let him show us if he has the ability to turn this rough spell around. Sacking every manager we have after a bad, but fairly short term, run of results and performances is ridiculous.

 

[Stanley]

Fans are so fickle...it seems only yesterday we were celebrating at Darlington. This seems a bit reminiscent of Dodgin....

Things are not good at the moment it is true and a couple of players at least have not turned out to be as good as AS thought I would guess, but do we really want to be one of those clubs that changes the manager every time we go on a bad run?

Calls for MA to return are just ludicrous, he is sadly living up to the mad dog tag that he craved to lose. His finest hour was his period with us, since then he has steadily gone downhill and I can't see him coming back up.

 

[GuyBee]

It appears tpo me that AS allways blaims his players, yet he should take the responsibility for what goes on. first we had to watch playrs playing out of posistion now the players are in there right posistion the problems are still the same, does AS think he is God and can do no wrong, its about time the BFC board had him in for a chat as I think he is now clearly past his sale by date.
The performancs yesterday ranks in my five worse displays ever along with yeovil, and I have been watching the bees for 47 years. :mad1:

Rarely read such a dumb post. Surely a bloke who gets us promotion deserves some time to adjust to a new, higher league. We are not even in the relegation zone ffs. Maybe in Feb, if things are looking a bit dire and freshblood is the only way we can see to turn things round (a la Martin and the great escape) maybe then. I dont think the sun shines out AS's backside, and he has made mistakes. Bennet should have been dropped a few games earlier and some of the positions he has asked player to play in do not make sense. Letting Elder go when we had a striker crisis. But we have had too many managers in too short a time let us gamble on some consistency.

Plenty of people have talked AS up over the last 12 months, and now are jumping on the get rid of him bandwagon.

Didnt go to Exeter, but did to Orient. If Foster had headed over the bar, and Cort taken his 7 yard shot it would have been 2 1 and we would all have thought it a great performance. 2nd halves against Swindon, and Brizzle have been fantastic and shown that this lot can do it.

And if you have been going for 47 years then you either have a poor memory or havent been to many games. I've only done 40 years, but can recall some pretty dire perfromances.

 

[Jimbee]

It appears tpo me that AS allways blaims his players, yet he should take the responsibility for what goes on. first we had to watch playrs playing out of posistion now the players are in there right posistion the problems are still the same, does AS think he is God and can do no wrong, its about time the BFC board had him in for a chat as I think he is now clearly past his sale by date.
The performancs yesterday ranks in my five worse displays ever along with yeovil, and I have been watching the bees for 47 years. :mad1:

With all due respect, having seen where you live, would it be a fair assumption that you do not attend the majority of games nowadays?

 

[hillrunner]

I attend most games even from where i live? and have done for majority of time supporting the bees,

 

[Westlad]

AS had a bad summer in terms of transfers and unlucky not to get Rhodes even if he should have had a plan B, but we've got to have a bit of faith. As usual some fans don't do half measures, everything Scott did before September was genius and now were on a bad run he's got to go. I'm sure they'll be changes in January, he's got a great record in getting players in.

As for getting Mad Dog in it would be ridiculous, yes he was great at the time but as said before how can the board justify getting rid of AS for someone who's got a team relegated from this league?

 

[NorthamptonBee]

With all due respect, having seen where you live, would it be a fair assumption that you do not attend the majority of games nowadays?

I do, Andy deserves loads of time and praise but currently is producing sub-standard fare that is taking us down. I've never bought into the suit and arrogance sh*t and he does blame the players for everything. The team were beaten before we kicked off yesterday, perhaps the players have had enough of him, there is something badly wrong with them at the moment, I don't know what the answer is but we are getting worse and only a rank bad Stockport team papered over the cracks recently. The team and manager aren't performing, it needs to stop and stop quickly. KOC was superb in League one a few seasons ago but at RB after we saw he wasn't up to it in the middle, Taylor is poop at the moment. We won't win games playing people who aren't good enough in their positions week in and week out. It's taken weeks to get our best CB in the middle, it took weeks for Bean to get the start and we can't keep letting weeks of rubbish creep in, we'll be down before we know it.

 

[Downbeat Bee]

Scott got us up as champions, Allen blew it. No going back to Allen whatever.

Sacking Scott would be a stupid move. I've been a bit disappointed in him this year but if you look at where we were when he became manager,we have come along way. However, I think we have substantial problems and as stated elsewhere I think relegation is a very real possibility. Scott has to learn from what has gone wrong and right so far and act accordingly. I think he can.

 

[Downbeat Bee]

I do, Andy deserves loads of time and praise but currently is producing sub-standard fare that is taking us down. I've never bought into the suit and arrogance sh*t and he does blame the players for everything. The team were beaten before we kicked off yesterday, perhaps the players have had enough of him, there is something badly wrong with them at the moment, I don't know what the answer is but we are getting worse and only a rank bad Stockport team papered over the cracks recently. The team and manager aren't performing, it needs to stop and stop quickly. KOC was superb in League one a few seasons ago but at RB after we saw he wasn't up to it in the middle, Taylor is poop at the moment. We won't win games playing people who aren't good enough in their positions week in and week out. It's taken weeks to get our best CB in the middle, it took weeks for Bean to get the start and we can't keep letting weeks of rubbish creep in, we'll be down before we know it.

Agree about KOC at right back

 

[Jimbee]

I do, Andy deserves loads of time and praise but currently is producing sub-standard fare that is taking us down. I've never bought into the suit and arrogance sh*t and he does blame the players for everything.

I'm not defending these displays, I can't as I wasn't at either game, but would you honestly rank Yeovil and Exeter amongst the worst 5 performances you have seen in your 30 odd years as a Bee?

 

[Bill Benn]

When i look at players like Foster and Saunders who i really rated when we signed them but are now struggling i wonder is it because of the step up to this division or could John Still (now there is a good manager)get more out of them than Andy can.I believe we should review the managers position after the next 6 league games,these games are a good mix of teams in this league and should be a good indication as to where we are heading.I see Gateshead had a good away win yesterday so another tough test next week hopefully we can get a win and get the proverble kick start to the season.As for Martin coming back I know many on here would have him back tomorrow yes i would love to go back to those great days of the cup runs ect.and all the publicity he brought to the club.I think when Martin looks back he knows should have stayed with us and i know he still has great affection for the club but his record as a manager since then tells me that it would be a risk this club could not afford.

 

[Jimbee]

I attend most games even from where i live? and have done for majority of time supporting the bees,

Fair enough, but it makes your previous statement even less credible.

 

[sleekerslee]

I do, Andy deserves loads of time and praise but currently is producing sub-standard fare that is taking us down. I've never bought into the suit and arrogance sh*t and he does blame the players for everything. The team were beaten before we kicked off yesterday, perhaps the players have had enough of him, there is something badly wrong with them at the moment, I don't know what the answer is but we are getting worse and only a rank bad Stockport team papered over the cracks recently. The team and manager aren't performing, it needs to stop and stop quickly. KOC was superb in League one a few seasons ago but at RB after we saw he wasn't up to it in the middle, Taylor is poop at the moment. We won't win games playing people who aren't good enough in their positions week in and week out. It's taken weeks to get our best CB in the middle, it took weeks for Bean to get the start and we can't keep letting weeks of rubbish creep in, we'll be down before we know it.

Your right, he's lost the players respect. AS himself was only a lower league player. He fancies himself and was lucky to get into management at this level. John Still doesn't b***ock players in public and he has certainly done the rounds....

 

[jharvey85]

People are bemoaning AS' ego and want MA back? Err... Have a word.

We're still ahead of all the teams that came up last season aren't we? Some people's expectations are too high. Let the team and management get better together. This is AS' first bad patch. I still go into every home match believing we'll win. Just have to sort out the away form. I'm not overally worried yet; it's a difficult league.

 

[magicbees]

Rarely read such a dumb post. Surely a bloke who gets us promotion deserves some time to adjust to a new, higher league. We are not even in the relegation zone ffs. Maybe in Feb, if things are looking a bit dire and freshblood is the only way we can see to turn things round (a la Martin and the great escape) maybe then. I dont think the sun shines out AS's backside, and he has made mistakes. Bennet should have been dropped a few games earlier and some of the positions he has asked player to play in do not make sense. Letting Elder go when we had a striker crisis. But we have had too many managers in too short a time let us gamble on some consistency.

Plenty of people have talked AS up over the last 12 months, and now are jumping on the get rid of him bandwagon.

Didnt go to Exeter, but did to Orient. If Foster had headed over the bar, and Cort taken his 7 yard shot it would have been 2 1 and we would all have thought it a great performance. 2nd halves against Swindon, and Brizzle have been fantastic and shown that this lot can do it.

And if you have been going for 47 years then you either have a poor memory or havent been to many games. I've only done 40 years, but can recall some pretty dire perfromances.

Agree with a lot of this post, but a couple of things I disagree with, yes the performance did improve in the second half but the damage had been done in the first half and maybe Swindon and Bristol Rovers eased off in the second half. also being a Brentford supporter for over 40 years, I also agree there have been a lot lot more worst perfomances then yesterday. You don't have to go back 40 seasons to find 5 worst games, just think of two and three season's ago. Just wish he would admit there are problems, I don't know if loan signings would help us, but i'm sure it would give us a boost. At the beginning of the season I would have taken staying up, and I still think we will, I hope we give AS time as it will be a huge backward step if we dont. I sure if we stay up this season, next year will be an improvement.

 

[jlove]

I've just posted on the Match Report thread that I think that there is something going on which AS & TB need to sort out quickly. But... the main problem is on the pitch. We started this season with the hope that our two experienced centre-backs and two experienced centre-midfielders would create a solid platform on which to build; it has not happened. We could afford one to go missing but not all four. The biggest disappointment for me is Bean; he should be driving the pace of a game.

 

[maddogging]

who are we to judge if the Scott has lost the players respect, I don't think that for one minute. Listen, I think everyone is just sh*t scarred of returning to League 2, I know for one I am, and as such panic sets in after every defeat. Sacking AS won't get us anywhere, and to be honest I doubt the board are even thinking about it..........................yet.

 

[Beeky38]

We're on the crest of a slump. AS should bring new blood into the squad ASAP.

 

[1markbee]

AS always said 'judge me on my squad of players,' well we are and I'm afraid they are not up to it. They aren't a bad set of players but IMO not good enough for this league.

Why is it last season he brought in some decent loans when they were needed, but this one he isn't or doesn't seem bothered.

So who tells our keeper and defenders to kick it long, especially to Charlie who more then not is up against defenders a foot or so taller.

Why aren't the players encouraged to play more to feet, like they have shown they can do very well at times.

It's strange how off the field has been sorted for the next 5 years, but now on the pitch has the problems. aaaarrrgggghhhhhhh

 

[hypa123]

The 82 GPG-ers who predicted a win against Exeter (62 percent of the total) should now reconsider their position with the club. Having so totally misjudged the situation, they're clearly living in cloud-cuckoo land and are not up to the job. What the club needs is a new set of predictors.

 

[Nick Hester]

Being quite 'close' to Andy, it's hard to see people on here slagging the bloke off who everyone was up his arse a few months ago, all wanting a piece of him when we won the league.

I remember when I was with him having a beer congratulating him that he was taking it all within his stride not getting 'too' carried away saying that if we were bottom by next christmas they would all be calling for his head...

Despite this, I too have had runnings with him, my loyalties are with Brentford Football Club, the club I have supported for 40 years and not Andy Scott and I too are really dissapointed with the form and results..

Having said that give the bloke a bit of rope and time to get things right, if after the new year we are in the bottom four start to panic but lets see what he can do to turn it around firstly...

 

[flowerpower bee]

who are we to judge if the Scott has lost the players respect, I don't think that for one minute. Listen, I think everyone is just sh*t scarred of returning to League 2, I know for one I am, and as such panic sets in after every defeat. Sacking AS won't get us anywhere, and to be honest I doubt the board are even thinking about it..........................yet.

andy scott should not be sacked but i'd like to see the management
sit down with the board and have a frank and open discussion about what -
in the wake of so many substandard recent performances - it's going to
take to secure brentford's position in league 1

i got the impression that this is what happened near the run in at the end of last season when certain loans (clarke, powell, spencer) were sanctioned to ensure that we got over the line

the same thing should happen now do make damn certain relegation is
comfortably averted

 

[1markbee]

Being quite 'close' to Andy, it's hard to see people on here slagging the bloke off who everyone was up his arse a few months ago, all wanting a piece of him when we won the league.

I remember when I was with him having a beer congratulating him that he was taking it all within his stride not getting 'too' carried away saying that if we were bottom by next christmas they would all be calling for his head...

Despite this, I too have had runnings with him, my loyalties are with Brentford Football Club, the club I have supported for 40 years and not Andy Scott and I too are really dissapointed with the form and results..

Having said that give the bloke a bit of rope and time to get things right, if after the new year we are in the bottom four start to panic but lets see what he can do to turn it around firstly...

That's football mate, agree with sticking with AS for a while longer.

Have you any spare cash for a decent loan player or two ;-) I think it may be time to bring little Moses back into the squad once he is over his injury. Is Taylor any better then Moses? I think not.

 

[magicbees]

Having listen to him speak on bees world about yesterday's game, he seems to be still happy with the current squad.


He seems like he gonna live or die with this squad.

 

[rebus]

if after the new year we are in the bottom four start to panic

I think that's where we depart. For me, it comes down to the fact of whether you believe in your manager or not. You don't ever panic in these situations. Even if we are in the bottom four with 20-23 games there is no need to pull the trigger.

There is a similar parallel to twenty years ago that is worth repeating. In the summer of 1989 expectations were high for Brentford and Steve Perryman after a superb FA cup run and the profile of the club lifted up high for the first time in years.

I remember the forecourt demonstration after the cup defeat to Colchester United in November and supporters calling for Perryman's head after a pretty poor set of results. Martin Lange stuck by his appointment and eventually the team went on a great run to the play off zone three months later, with little or no playing additions from the early part of the season.

What Brentford badly needs is stability, not another revolving door. The BFC and BU boards are working towards this so the errors of 2006 and 2007 are not repeated. There will always be sticky patches but it's imperative the supporters encourage the players and let them know we are united in our common goal.

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

I think that's where we depart. For me, it comes down to the fact of whether you believe in your manager or not. You don't ever panic in these situations. Even if we are in the bottom four with 20-23 games there is no need to pull the trigger.

There is a similar parallel to twenty years ago that is worth repeating. In the summer of 1989 expectations were high for Brentford and Steve Perryman after a superb FA cup run and the profile of the club lifted up high for the first time in years.

I remember the forecourt demonstration after the cup defeat to Colchester United in November and supporters calling for Perryman's head after a pretty poor set of results. Martin Lange stuck by his appointment and eventually the team went on a great run to the play off zone three months later, with little or no playing additions from the early part of the season.

What Brentford badly needs is stability, not another revolving door. The BFC and BU boards are working towards this so the errors of 2006 and 2007 are not repeated. There will always be sticky patches but it's imperative the supporters encourage the players and let them know we are united in our common goal.

i agree with Old Big Head for once.
i remember that yes. 11 points from 16 games we were and bottom, then lost at home to col u in the cup, 1-0. brian hill was the referee.

i say keep andy scott. regardless what he is like as an individual and what he thinks of brentford fans he has brought some exciting players to BFC and won div 4 last year. keep the faith*



*for now, but if he does go, get maddog back immediately.

 

[North London Bee]

I think that's where we depart. For me, it comes down to the fact of whether you believe in your manager or not. You don't ever panic in these situations. Even if we are in the bottom four with 20-23 games there is no need to pull the trigger.

There is a similar parallel to twenty years ago that is worth repeating. In the summer of 1989 expectations were high for Brentford and Steve Perryman after a superb FA cup run and the profile of the club lifted up high for the first time in years.

I remember the forecourt demonstration after the cup defeat to Colchester United in November and supporters calling for Perryman's head after a pretty poor set of results. Martin Lange stuck by his appointment and eventually the team went on a great run to the play off zone three months later, with little or no playing additions from the early part of the season.

What Brentford badly needs is stability, not another revolving door. The BFC and BU boards are working towards this so the errors of 2006 and 2007 are not repeated. There will always be sticky patches but it's imperative the supporters encourage the players and let them know we are united in our common goal.

Totally agree although you are slightly rewriting history as we fell away towards the end of that year.

We also had Deano scoring for fun and would that he had such strength up front now!

I toally believe in AS but it IS disappointing to se eus go downhill after so promising a start.

I do want more signs of progress on the pitch and I hope that the off field advances will soon be matched on.

To me the key fact is that all 4 promoted teams are struggling in what is a very keenly competitive league this season.

 

[andyrew]

Andy put together a team last season that was good enough to win League 2. As can be seen from the table we are on a par / ahead of the other teams that got promoted and we are 16th. Obviously the standard of League 1 is significantly higher than League 2. Furthermore two outstanding players - Hamer & Rhodes / Clarke are no longer with us and have been replaced by lesser players. Andy has shown in the past that he is willing to be ruthless when players don't come up to scratch even when he was responsible for bringing that player in i.e. John Mackie. In order to improve our prospects he must be ruthless once again.

 

[Kingston Bee]

I must say that some of the posts on here are way over the top concerning Scotty. Yes things are not going our way presently, and yes some of the players bought in the close season are not performing, but he needs time to turn it around. If Man Utd had not given Fergy time would they be where they are now. Arsenal have not won a trophy for 4 years but persist with Wenger. The reason being is that they need time, they are not magicians. When Benham came in earlier this season we were talking about a 5 year plan, not 5 weeks. In the interim period we will have ups and downs. Some of the so called supporters on here are typical of football supporters in general in that they are always looking at the short term, ie if it does not work immediately get rid of the manager. I cannot think of anyone currently (who is available) who could do a better job, and I am afraid project BFC is a long term project. The sooner that people realise that and adjust their expectations the better. IMHO in time Scotty will prove to be one very capable manager either with Brentford, or someone else. I just hope it is with us.

 

[Glenisterbee]

I certainly dont want to see Andy Scott go. We were the best last year and its totally different this year in a better league. Its difficult for any player to get his game and form going without a decent run in the side and Saunders, Weston and others are in and out of the side. The lack of confidence is there for all to see and it makes painful watching. At Carlisle we came out second half really positive and went on to win the game. We have started some games dreadfully this season and once the damage is done we never look like getting anything out of our bad games. At Yeovil we kicked off and Wilson stumbled over the ball to concede a throw after about three seconds. Andy has all week to drum into the players about a lively start and a good pace to our play. We started yesterday well enough and at Orient were totally dominant for 30 minutes but still lost. Confidence will only come from victories and we need to start winning games with this group of players or additions in the loan market. Twenty seven years ago this weekend i went to Plymouth to see us lose 2-0 in a drab third division game aged 13, it being the first away game i was allowed to travel to on my own. Half a lifetime on, we have just witnessed the same thing in the same division in the same county on the same weekend. Oh the joys of following the bees.

 

[KcBee]

To be honest I am even amazed there is a thread regarding this. Andy Scott is the best thing to happen to Brentford in years! He is young learning his trade with us. He has had things his own way for 18 months with good results and promotion. But I really struggle to see what some of our fans really expected this season?? I for one thought consolidation mid to lower end of the table anything else is a bonus (ideally a cup run!!)

 

[Keighley Bee]

The 82 GPG-ers who predicted a win against Exeter (62 percent of the total) should now reconsider their position with the club. Having so totally misjudged the situation, they're clearly living in cloud-cuckoo land and are not up to the job. What the club needs is a new set of predictors.

We're called eternal optimists, and it's a vital quality to have when you support a club like Brentford.

 

[rebus]

Totally agree although you are slightly rewriting history as we fell away towards the end of that year.

Yes, they lost form but the point I was making that it was the same set of players that played badly, added to the fact the Chairman had confidence in his manager to turn things around.

I still think this team is top half material with some tweaks, some sprinkling of good luck and a bit of confidence.

 

[cheekybee74]

Sacking AS is not the way forward - Who would we get? I mean who would want to come to a club that has had 13 managers in 10 years? (something like that) and sacks a guy that won them their first trophy in years 6 months later?

Allen is not an option (never go back) and lets face it, he has not delivered elsewhere since us

Some bright spark said Steve Copple (SIC). Such a fan of the guy that you can't even get his name right. Why would he come here again, he didn't put his hand up for the Norwich job so why would he go for us?

This club needs stability, this clubs needs a long term plan which may get us in the Championship in 5 years time. THis is the toughest League One in years, at the start of the season many people would say they would be happy with a mid table finish, but expected a mid lower. Well 16 is Mid Lower I'd say so we are at "par" performance after 15 games.

In my opinion, we do need some impetus in central midfield - maybe Saunders and Bean as his minder with Weston and Taylor on the wings could be tried?

One other thought - anyone else on this board think they could do a job where each week hundreds of people comment on how you have performed????

 

[love and mercy]

To be honest I am even amazed there is a thread regarding this. Andy Scott is the best thing to happen to Brentford in years! He is young learning his trade with us. He has had things his own way for 18 months with good results and promotion. But I really struggle to see what some of our fans really expected this season?? I for one thought consolidation mid to lower end of the table anything else is a bonus (ideally a cup run!!)

What I expect is him sending a team out that has some sort of game plan and not looking like 11 individuals.

 

[HunsburyBee]

As a supporter of the Club for over 50 years, I'll add my twopenneth, for whatit's worth.
I went to Exeter yesterday (a 400 mile round trip for me) and what I saw was just unacceptable. It was certainly one of the most inept, disjointed performances I've ever seen. We were easily beaten by a team no better than us and that's very worrying. Describing it as one of the worst performances ever would be "over the top" because ones memory deceives you. There seemed to be no plan to the game, no style, just "hoofball" to see who could kick the ball the furthest. Where is the team that I saw at Carlisle and Southampton and against Norwich at home, who played attractive attacking football on the floor ?
I do not believe that we do not have the players capable of doing well in this league. I've seen them play well as a team in those early games this season. But there is quite clearly now somthing seriously amiss with the management of Our Club. It is not acceptable for the Manager to simply blame the players each week for not doing what he's told them ! He has to take responsibility and for him to publicly criticise individual players for underperforming is unfair and unreasonable. I remain unconvinced of Scott's ability at this higher level, although I sincerely want him and our Club to succeed. (After 50 years, I think I, and other similarly long suffering supporters, deserve it)
From watching yesterday's performance, it appears to me that the players have lost their respect for their manager - and that is not good.

I think next week's match at Gateshead is crucial. A bad performance there resulting in a bad loss could see the end of Mr. Scott.
As fior Martin Allen, forget it, he's gone for good ! He did a great job for us at the time, but he's now not what we need.
I will be at Gateshead, along with a few dozen others. Let's cheer our team to victory next Saturday (forget the other lot's supporters !) and maybe, just maybe, things will improve.
We cannot afford however to sit back until Christmas watching our team slide into the relagation zone - by then, ir could be too late !
As ever, "Up the Bees"