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You were saying? Should be 2-0 as well! And all without David Lee...

they have been fantastic so far (i assume, i have been catching up and now Game 1 is my next game to watch, but ofc i know what happened...) - making SA look a bit old and plodding by all accounts. incredible. their first win in San An since 1997 :eek:

it's a win-win series for me, i like both teams. good luck!

all series are tied at 1-1 btw - Miami thrashed Chicago last night. i watched the end of the first game yesterday evening, Miami seemed very casual and suddenly, the game slipped away from them in the last two minutes. last night's response was pretty predictable!
 

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my alarm went off for work this morning with 54secs of Memphis-OKC left. then the stupid fools ended up tied so i had to stay and watch overtime :rolleyes: :laugh:

Memphis ground it out and are 3-1 up now, with Miami 3-1 up over Chicago too - the injuries to Westbrook and Rose have just made these series unfair contests :sad:

Game 4 of Indy-NY tonight (Indiana 2-1 up), and the Warriors-Spurs series is looking like great fun, though Steph Curry's tweaked his brittle ankle, real shame... anyway they are tied 2-2 after an overtime win for Golden State on Sunday...
 

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Memphis and Miami are through. Poor OKC, missing their second-best player, they still played Memphis very close with every game coming down to the final minute.

HUGE game tonight for New York, 3-1 down, if they can take Game 5 (at home), then somehow win Game 6 in Indiana, they'd have to be favourites for Game 7. but they're looking awful at the moment, after a season where they looked fantastic at times... the local media are sharpening their knives...

Miami vs Indiana
Memphis vs San Antonio
the league will be "thrilled" if these comparatively-small cities ("markets") make it through :laugh:
 

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Fair play to the Grizzlies, grind city has never been more apt. Great group of players all knowing their role mind you.

What now for OKC?

Looking forward to tonight's games, all or nothing for the Knicks and Warriors. Think the Pacers have this one sewn up, with JR bottling it the Knicks are too reliant on Melo.
The atmosphere in the Oracle will take the Warriors through to a game 7 I reckon, either way, this game will be a thriller
 
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think OKC will be hoping Ibaka improves in the off-season. they'll need a Plan B too which doesn't rely on "give the ball to one of the top 10 players in the world and hope it works out - we have two of them it'll be fine" :idea:
Kevin Martin didn't really work out for them too, eh...
 

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I know there was a little more to it then just swapping out, but Kevin Martin looks like a little boy out there, whereas the beard is a leader, the way he ran the OKC from the bench last season has to put this up in there in one of the worst trades ever !
 

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what's happened in the last two weeks i hear you all asking?

tonight is a HUGE game, Game 5 between Miami and Indiana. Miami are still the presumptive favourites to win it all, but Indiana do not look overwhelmed and are picking at some of the holes in Miami's team. Tonight is at Miami, series tied at 2-2, and we know (from history) that the likely outcome is Miami winning this and Game 6 in Indiana on Saturday. but indiana won't "let" them, that's for sure...

on the other side, San Antonio crushed Memphis in a four-game sweep, and are taking advantage of 9 days off leading up to the finals (starting June 6th). It's the 5th finals for coach Pop and Tim Duncan, their first since 2007, and 14 years since their first trip together (1999). incredible run by the team. a sweep was harsh on Memphis (two of the games went to overtime!) but Tony Parker was brilliant and their team just showed their class and experience repeatedly. still very hard to see how they'd beat Miami, but if anyone can figure it out, Popovich is a good bet...
 

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This Pacers Heat series is a proper battle, thought Indiana were going to crumble last night after the shocking decision to not reset the shot clock when the ball clearly hit the rim. Still looks like Indys best shot is to get near throw it up and let Hibbert clear up the rest. You still feel however that LBJ is just waiting to take it away from them, smarting no doubt from fouling out of game 4.

Poor old Z bo, he had a mare. The Spurs are so good to watch with Tony Parker in full flow, how good is he. I know they have the big fundamental, but every player in that team is so well coached. Really nice to see what it meant to Timmy aswell, one last crack at that 5th ring
 

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got up at silly o'clock to watch Game 7 of Indiana-Miami, wish i hadn't bothered, waste of time, Miami murdered them.

so Spurs-Heat in the final - Spurs are very clever and have weapons, but Miami have the best player in the world. i'll definitely be rooting for the Spurs but can see them being overwhelmed as they were in last year's defeat to OKC. Miami have the homecourt advantage... so i guess i just hope they don't win the first two... Miami def looking vulnerable too, Wade was good tonight but it's the first time for a while, he's looking old and banged-up, and Bosh is carrying a knock too apparently.

no rest for the wicked, first game is Thursday night / Friday morning.
 

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What ashame the series ended like that, I was hoping for a classic, instead it was over by the half. Heat's defence finally turned the screw.

Rooting for the Spurs, but LBJ is just becoming too good that he can win it on his own !!!

Mr Tree, I bet you dress like Justin Bieber !!! :-)
 

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lol :(

probably did when i was his age... about 15 years ago...

there was a tweet from one of the journalists on that during the game - even though Indiana were being destroyed, he noted that he wasn't seeing a lot of peole mocking them, but rather, everyone was gathering to mock Bieber instead :D
 

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Really surprised the heat won that match by such a margin. Luckily bet fair is banned from USA ip addresses!
 

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be careful with those - game 7 blowouts happen surprisingly often. probably a case of trying too hard, or the class team realising "sh*t we better take this one seriously", or whatever else :)
 

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Here we go.........

I'm on Spurs tonight, purely because it's full of immigrants!
 

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interesting :scratch:

not many immigrants in Miami Florida, no? ;)

San Antonio one win away from the title. Miami very capable of winning the next two at home though and snatching away their dreams. Game 6 should be tremendous, with Miami scrapping for their lives.
 

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cool - good to see the beeb providing some coverage :sorted:
 

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ray allen hit a three-pointer with 5 seconds left to tie the game and send it to overtime. Miami held on down the stretch, with a couple of possible fouls against them not given.

Game 7 starts at 2am on Friday morning (UK time) - there's a lot of quality play in this series - can't guarantee the game itself will be a classic, it may be two emotionally-fraught teams trading punches, but i can't wait :eek:
 

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Even when the Spurs were up by about 10, you just knew Miami would sneak it at the end. Ginobli went missing this morning
 

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yeah as good as Manu was in Game 5, he was horrendous today. think he missed one of the free-throws that could've put them up 96-92 at the end - left it at 95-92, great rebound by Bosh, and Ray in the corner............ why why why :banghead:

bit of a shame tho that the Spurs couldn't run one of their favourite sneak plays - everyone expects a time out in that situation, they could've just flung it in and tried to sneak up and get the winner. but the refs decided to stop the game to review Ray's three. ah well. thought Parker could've done better with his shot in the end, actually.
 

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Refs swallowed their whistles late on - Spurs had two blatant fouls on them ignored in their attempts to hit a game winner.

Ginobli was man handled by two Heat defenders as he tried to drive the lane - no call, turnover, resulting free throws for Ray Allen to put Heat up by three.

On the final play of the game Danny Green was hit so hard by Bosh as he attempted a three pointer he ended up on Spurs bench. Should have been 3 free shots to tie the game - no call, game 7 here we come.

Even the US commentator said that is a foul at any other time of this game. Utter crap how refs decide who wins and loses so blatantly.

The NBA wants a game 7, so that's what we've got.

I fear a blow out victory for the Heat followed by a coronation of them as a dynasty etc. Tough to watch unfortunately - I hope I'm wrong !!
 

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Gutted, absolutely gutted. Why didn't they force Lebron to put his headband back on and shoot poorly like the first half

I literally cannot stand the though of Chalmers, Battier and Juwan Howard celebrating on Thursday !

Almost feels like a Brentford type loss
 

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feels like the Spurs are seen as a massive underdog tonight, whereas the real gap between the teams is not that large. However, when Miami get going, they do look pretty invincible - but they only seem capable of short bursts like this. but in a do-or-die decider, one of those spurts may be enough.

so my alarm is set for 4:15am tonight - i've got it worked out nicely, the game will start around 2am (UK time), and the second half tends to start about 90mins later. i usually fall out of bed at 4:30, but i'm giving myself some extra time to get coffee and try to WAKE UP for this one. should be a tremendous game so good luck if you get up for it :sorted:
 

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2.00am alarm for me. You just think the Heat will have the tiring Spurs were they want them. All set up for LBJ to take over.

Just hoping for a Tony Parker 30/15 night to give the Spurs a fighting chance

Both coaches must be pulling their hair out also wondering which Manu and Mario will turn up on respective sides tonight
 
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Midnight in Kiev then. They show it here without commentary at all. Refreshing, but odd.
 

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great game. sad for the Spurs. Timmy looked inconsolable when he missed that shot in the last minute. bloody Battier, a non-factor and then rocks up and chucks in 6 three-pointers. Bron and Wade shot well too. congrats to Miami... surely the end for San An? or maybe just Manu to retire, Timmy to come back - 37 but he got 24 and 12 last night :eek:
 

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Timmy will have a long summer dealing with that game 6 and that late miss when guarded by Battier, such a shame as he is a warrior.
Wade and Lebron did shoot well, Spurs were relying on them missing from the perimeter but alas it didn't happen, and on the flip side Danny Green got run off the three and was a disaster waiting to happen after that.

No surprise Manu referred to still thinking about game 6 after this one, that was such a body blow mentally and physically
 

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I cant help but compare the Spurs to Brentford this season. Should have won the whole thing in Game 6, only to be outplayed in Game 7 and lose it all
 

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just a final postscript, for now: this off-season looks like being a remarkable one, a lot of moving and shaking being done. will be back in mid-Oct to let you know how it all panned out :sorted:
 

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Come on Mr Tree, who will have the worse record next year?? Their are going to be some pretty shat teams next season, just hope the Magic get those lucky balls next year #riggin4wiggins
 

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Interesting three way trade between the Bucks, the Suns and the Clippers. Once wherein everyone seems to benefit bar Millwaukee.
 

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Yes, good deal for the Clippers getting JJ, a big favourite from his Magic days, but yes, most reporters seem bemused how it benefits the Bucks !?
 

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i haven't read much on that, but i thought the point was the Redick's contract was up so he was likely to walk anyway... they got something-better-than-nothing

Boston are one of those :eek: situations..... i don't really get the tankathon, the best you can do is, if you finish with the league's worst record, you have a 25% chance of "winning the lottery" and getting the first pick. this guy Wiggins who's coming through is meant to be a bit good, and the other guys at the top of next year's crop too, but to throw away a whole season to give yourself an at-best 25% shot? hmm...
 

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Dwight Howard chooses to leave the Lakers and signs up to join Houston. if the old Dwight comes back, one of the top 5 players in the league, then it's huge for Houston - but even at 27, Howard's been struggling with injuries for a little while now...
 

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All about who else the Rockets can add, Ryan Anderson for Asik would work, getting Josh Smith would give them their own big 3.
Hope for Dwights sake he knuckles down and returns to the dominance of his Magic days
 

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it might have passed you by but the European Championships (Eurobasket) have been in full swing for a while now. The format has expanded to 24 teams, and today is the last day of the first round (four groups of six).

Britain face Ukraine at 13:30 your time with the winner going through in a battle of teams who were though highly unlikely to progress. it's been that sort of tournament so far - a lot of big names missing through injury (Britain are without Deng, Freeland and Mensah-Bonsu), and a lot of surprise results.

in Group D Russia have lost all their games and 2010 world silver medalists Turkey are out too, with Finland joining Greece and Italy (all already confirmed). Group B has been a battle, with Lithuania and Latvia alongside four Balkan countries (Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia) - Lithuania and Serbia are traditional powerhouses but FYROM's only win so far was a crushing one over the Serbs.

i've been lucky enough to be working at Group C, with hosts Slovenia and champions Spain. Spain are looking for a third title in a row, but they are a little weaker than previous years (with France and Greece expected to challenge them for gold this time). the third qualifier in the group will be Czech or Croatia, who meet this evening in a decider. the Czechs have been fantastic, with a very eye-pleasing athletic style, though they are over-achieving and today could well be end of the line.

it's been a great experience, chatting to past and present NBA players Jiri Welsch, Goran Dragic, Bostjan Nachbar, Victor Claver, Jose Calderon and Sergio Rodriguez, as well as surely-future NBA players Bojan Bogdanovic (fantastic) and Tomas Satoransky (surprisingly brilliant point-guard for Czech).

attached (hopefully) is a photo of me being dwarfed by NBA defensive player of the year. i'd like to claim that i'm usually more attractive than this, but i think those who know me know the truth :(

EDIT: apparently the technology is beyond me. let me assure we were side-by-side rather than on top of each other....

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in my excitement i neglected to add the above half-human half-bear's name (Marc Gasol) - he is 7 foot 2 :eek:

britain lost to ukraine, and lose their olympic funding as a result :( UK Sport had imposed a ridiculous condition that Britain finished in the top six (never gonna happen), so what should be seen as a success (two wins from five, punching above their weight) ends up being a disappointment... and will not improve, because they have less to work with in future. very clever.
 

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France beat Spain in a brilliant semi-final before easing past Lithuania in the final. those three plus Serbia, Slovenia, Ukraine and Croatia are the European qualifiers for next year's first ever "World Cup of basketball" (re-modelled world championships).

NBA starting up again in a month.
 

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so i wrote out all the below as a preview of the NBA season... and so much of it is out of the window already :D Philadelphia won their first three games, two of those against Miami and Chicago, with Michael Carter-Williams becoming the first player since Shaq in 1992 to win "Player of the Week" in his first week in the league :eek: :eek:

anyway, in case you might want a little more insight into the upcoming season....


LeBron's Miami are looking for their third title in a row, a rare feat albeit one achieved three times in the past 20 years (Jordan's 91-93 and 96-98 Bulls, and the Shaq-Kobe Lakers 2000-02). The East looks to have strengthened at the top though, while the West has an interesting collection of imperfect teams at the top.

meanwhile at the bottom, there will be some truly bizarre teams motivated to lose by the tantalising prospect of good draft placing ready for a strong crop of players arriving in 2014. sure it's the sign of a flawed system, but it's still tricky to think of a better way to do it...


EAST

The weaker conference in general over the last 15 years (although still producing their fair share of champions), the East might actually be stronger than the West on top this year, as well as housing the defending champions of course.

The Elite - Miami, Chicago, Indiana, Brooklyn
(uncategorised) - New York
The Middle - Atlanta, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Detroit, Washington, Toronto
The Rubbish - Charlotte, Philadelphia, Orlando, Boston

Miami lost one useful role-player in Mike Miller, and have little flexibility with most of their money tied up by the big contracts of their three stars. They did manage to pick up two "draft busts" in former #1 pick Greg Oden (who retired in 2011 with knee issues but hopefully has overcome them now and can contribute) and former #2 pick Michael Beasley (a man amongst boys at junior level, now a boy amongst men and generally considered a waste of talent) - if either of those are "useful" it might just be enough to boost the team.

Indiana came on strong last year, taking Miami to a decider in the Eastern finals and then making some canny acquisitions in the off-season. Chicago welcome back Derrick Rose, who has been out since the 2012 Playoffs with a cruciate ligament injury. Brooklyn are hard to gauge but look pretty scary on paper - they brought in Boston veterans Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce in the summer and their starting line-up projects to be probably the first ever to feature guys earning $10m+ a year at each position. Teams who go over the "salary cap" have to pay a "tax" for that (in an effort to keep things kinda equal) - Brooklyn could well pay more in tax alone than some teams pay in total salary. Their Russian billionaire owner is pushing the boundaries a little (might force a rule change!), and then the best thing is they're giving all that to a rookie coach, the recently-retired Jason Kidd. Who is suspended from the first two games, I think it was for drunk-driving or something...

New York are better than the middle and worse than the elite - they have Carmelo Anthony but otherwise their team seems poorly constructed. Atlanta lost Josh Smith and Milwaukee lost Brandon Jennings (both those went to Detroit) and Monta Ellis as free-agents, but both teams have made some signings that seem to mitigate those losses somewhat. Detroit are excited to add Smith and Jennings (both with plenty of flaws but some lively games too) to young big men Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond, while Cleveland and Washington are hoping their squads can continue to develop under electric young guards Kyrie Irving and John Wall respectively - analysts seem more sceptical though. Toronto just about make it into this group as they'll be trying to get the #8 seed, but they probably lack the quality for a genuine push.

Boston "blew it up" in the summer by allowing Garnett and Pierce to leave as well as influential coach Doc Rivers. They brought in a young coach with a six-year deal, and their best current player (Rajon Rondo) missed the last half of last year with a knee injury. Philadelphia have fallen apart spectacularly over the last two years so they're starting from the bottom. Charlotte signed Al Jefferson to a big contract in the summer but that's not enough to elevate them, while Orlando are progressing well on the rebuilding curve and talented rookie Victor Oladipo should provide some entertainment along the way


WEST

The West had five teams finish with 55+ wins last year, though one of those (Denver) has since collapsed. The playoffs exposed flaws in all those powerhouses though, with San Antonio outlasting the competition and coming so so close to winning it all - but San An are the oldest team and another year on the clock may undo them (though that has been said for about five years now!). The real "strength" of the West comparatively of late has been the teams scrapping to get in the playoffs - there's been quite a few years where you could say the #9 West team was better than the #7 East team. That may still be true, but it's not a lot to hang your hat on :)

The Elite - San Antonio, Oklahoma City, LA Clippers, Golden State, Houston, Memphis
The Middle - Dallas, Denver, Minnesota, Portland, New Orleans, LA Lakers
The Rubbish - *Utah, Sacramento, Phoenix

San Antonio will be hoping that young Kawhi Leonard keeps up his progression to provide them with a youthful boost. Oklahoma City's coaching/planning was severely exposed when Russell Westbrook injured his knee in last year's playoffs - he and Kevin Durant are two of the best players in the world, but their tactics appeared to be "who needs tactics? we've got Durant AND Westbrook!". The Clippers got Boston's old coach Doc Rivers which should be a massive upgrade on Vinny del Negro, but they still seem to have a gaping hole in their squad for a big man.

Golden State and Houston are the new kids trying to muscle in. Golden State had a great run in last year's playoffs with Steph Curry unbelievable at times, and summer signing Andre Iguodala looks like a great fit for the team. Curry and big man Andrew Bogut are injury-prone though, so let's hope they can stay out of the treatment room. Houston were a great fun team last year, with James Harden showing superstar potential - adding Dwight Howard to the squad could be terrifying. Memphis just about hang on to the elite group, but San Antonio ripped them apart in the West finals last year and it's hard to see how they've got any better since then.

Dallas will be hoping to get a full season from German forward Dirk Nowitzki - his ability and coach Rick Carlisle may be enough to boost a thin squad to the playoffs. Health is a big issue for Minnesota also, with their star forward Kevin Love missing most of last season. It's now-or-never for this squad, as a couple of false starts have left them with a ticking time-bomb as Love's contract runs down. As mentioned above, Denver have dropped off severely from last year, losing their coach, general manager and one of their best players (Iguodala), and Danilo Gallinari, the Italian forward who led the team in scoring last season, is recovering from his own knee injury (every squad seems to have one!).

New Orleans changed their name from the Hornets (carried over when they moved from Charlotte) to the Pelicans (Louisiana's state bird), and made a couple of splashy (if risky) moves in bringing in Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans. If last year's #1 draft pick Anthony Davis can make big strides in his second season, they will be a decent team, but there is concern that the parts won't mesh too well. The Lakers are unaccustomed to being down here, but Kobe Bryant's snapped Achilles and Dwight Howard's defection leaves the team looking a little bare. Steve Nash may be in fantastic shape for a 40-year-old, but can he and Spanish forward Pau Gasol do enough until Kobe comes back? Portland have been the least talked about of this bunch, with worries over appeasing their own star forward LaMarcus Aldridge. I quite like them though, they were decent for a lot of last year (before giving up at the end) and their squad had no depth, a problem which seems to have been addressed. Unfortunately for them, the West is that deep that they could have a good season and still finish 12th.

Sacramento have been desperately striving to get even close to being in the mix for the last three years, but still don't seem to be there. The team has been in limbo for a couple of years too, with a vote late last season finally confirming they will stay in California rather than moving to Seattle. The loss of Evans helps them in a way to move on, and they will build around talented young big man DeMarcus Cousins, whose flashes of brilliance have just about persuaded management to keep hold of him with a big contract extension despite his frequent petulance. Utah have been very open about moving in a new direction, letting their two big men leave as free agents to allow young talents Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter to develop with more playing time. And finally Phoenix, who really don't seem to have much to build around at all - they recruited Eric Bledsoe in the summer but many are dubious if he'll be able to step up and be a team's star.
 

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Invested in league pass for the first time this year, great to see some early shocks although this can happen until teams realise what they are ..... i.e good or bad !!

Lots of interesting sub plots to keep an eye on
 

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too right Ken, and Toronto have already hinted they'll be happy to jack in this season (as some have suspected since GM Masai Ujiri was brought in - a widely-respected character). Toronto have apparently been leaking that everyone except their young Lithuanian big man Jonas Valunciunas is available.

meanwhile New York are having a rough start, some ignominious losses capped by a home loss to a Jefferson-less Charlotte last night in which Tyson Chandler got hurt. if that's not just a short-term knock, panic may spread in the Big Apple.

maddogging, i'd love to get League Pass, but i fear it would be a severe time drain :(
i did enter Fantasy Basketball for the first time this year, and got LeBron in the draft lol but of course, half my team is now injured (Jefferson, Dragic...)
 

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Invested in league pass for the first time this year, great to see some early shocks although this can happen until teams realise what they are ..... i.e good or bad !!

Lots of interesting sub plots to keep an eye on

Good for you. I just saw Jamal Crawford's girlfriend got pissed at him for purchasing league pass since he watches almost all NBA games.
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Anyone got any idea if and when it'll be picked up for TV? Hard to take an interest when I can't watch it and I'm not forking out for game pass or whatever it is.
 

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No deal in place yet GB. I seem to recall the exact same thing happened last year, i.e they ran a free 5 day league pass trial and then about 2 weeks after that a deal was announced. Can only really see Sky Sports taking an interest post February when the NFL has finished.

League pass is time draining, but then again with 4 kids I have no social life so 2-3 hours of basketball most nights is a lovely treat !!!!!
 

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Yeah, BT/ESPN would be the obvious candidates but I've heard they're not even considering a deal.
 

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we actually get sunday night live games here, but anyway, i keep up with it through the website... five minutes a day to watch the Daily Zap (summary of the night's action) and the Top 10. they have loads of other crap on there too if you get tempted to dig away for more info. might be the best way for you GB? :shrug:
 
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