The Clark Masters thread

[Brian]

He's 20 he's learning he makes mistakes. Looks to be a good shot stopper. Needs to work on commanding his area and lining up his wall, but I would think these are things which are a lot eaiser to learn. Has all the attributes of a good keeper. Big, good reactions and I thought quite brave at times. I'm happy to see him given a chance to prove himself. Presume he's not on silly money if it works out it works out, if it doesn't it doesn't, its a smaller risk to take then paying an old journeyman loads of dosh to sit on the bench. With his confidence restored I think he could be an asset. But we'll see.

As for what he's alleged to have said (i'm not saying he didn't say it but I personally didn't hear it so can't comment.) he's been an idoit, he's made a mistake, he got wound up. He's only 20 though he said something in the heat of the moment that he probably didn't mean, who knows he might not be able to take any stick and if thats the case that his problem (we've all said things we didn't mean regret in the heat of the moment.) lets forget about it for now and give him a chance to make up for his mistake.

 

[VTG]

He's 20 he's learning he makes mistakes. Looks to be a good shot stopper. Needs to work on commanding his area and lining up his wall, but I would think these are things which are a lot eaiser to learn. Has all the attributes of a good keeper. Big, good reactions and I thought quite brave at times. I'm happy to see him given a chance to prove himself. Presume he's not on silly money if it works out it works out, if it doesn't it doesn't, its a smaller risk to take then paying an old journeyman loads of dosh to sit on the bench. With his confidence restored I think he could be an asset. But we'll see.

As for what he's alleged to have said (i'm not saying he didn't say it but I personally didn't hear it so can't comment.) he's been an idoit, he's made a mistake, he got wound up. He's only 20 though he said something in the heat of the moment that he probably didn't mean, who knows he might not be able to take any stick and if thats the case that his problem (we've all said things we didn't mean regret in the heat of the moment.) lets forget about it for now and give him a chance to make up for his mistake.

Commanding your area and being able to stand up to the amount of flak you get back from your own defenders is something that will only come from experience. Last season he was thrown in at the deep end behind a defence that plainly couldn't be arsed. Given a new season and a positive attitude within the team that they can at least attempt to aim for the top half of the table, he could do well. He's still young and learning his trade. How many of us thought we knew it all at 20, but now realise how naive we were? Anyone 20 or under need not respond, you kids think you know it all anyway
I wouldn't have given him a 2 year contract but given what's gone on with 1 year contracts in recent times (i.e. us getting no money for the majority of our talent) and him not being first choice, it may have been a good idea as we can either develop him if SB isn't here next year or if he does need to come in and is an attractive proposition we can sell him and actually get some cash.
All goalkeeps drop clangers, so if he makes one or two this season I won't mind too much, especially if he's not being helped out by his defence as if you're going to shoot 20 then one or two are bound to go in. When he does play, I hope to see a more vocal and commanding Masters and hopefully the chunky monkey who's coaching him will give him some wall positioning pointers too.

 

[sonofabee]

Anyone know who the fat goalkeeping coach is?

 

[Mads Bee]

Shipped out on loan to Welling initially for one month

 

[londondude]

Shipped out on loan to Welling initially for one month

Clark. Hope it longer than a month. Does it mean that we are keeping hamer.

 

[wayfarer172]

Clark. Hope it longer than a month. Does it mean that we are keeping hamer.

Let's hope so. Good move for Masters too seeing as he is 3rd in the pecking order

 

[Stanley]

. Does it mean that we are keeping hamer.

Presumably....which is the good news...

 

[Ace Face]

Presumably....which is the good news...

But we don`t need Hamer as we have Brown??

But we have a powder puff attack??

 

[wayfarer172]

Well done Welling FC . Can always rely on them to have our rubbish

 

[south coast bees]

Well done Welling FC . Can always rely on them to have our rubbish

your talking rubbish, clark had to play in a shi+ team last season, is young & looks a good prospect.
why do people on the gpg just jump on the bandwagon and get on players backs with out looking at the bigger picture.
clark i think will become a great keeper given time.

 

[HertfordBee]

Look at the difference between Masters and Hamer - and how much Hamer has benefitted from a full season in goal at Crawley. If Masters could have an opportunity like that, the improvment would be remarkable, I believe.

 

[IsleofWight_Bee]

Thats Masters out of the way Tillen next?

 

[Aberdeen flyer]

your talking rubbish, clark had to play in a shi+ team last season, is young & looks a good prospect.
why do people on the gpg just jump on the bandwagon and get on players backs with out looking at the bigger picture.
clark i think will become a great keeper given time.

mmm...I see 'south coast bees' lives in St Leonards.........now tell me where does Clark Masters come from....is it St Leonards

 

[VTG]

Good, he needs the experience, he's going to learn sod all sitting on a bench being third choice which he very firmly is at the moment.

He needs to be shipped out to get experience so that he can either provide reliable backup or compete for the number 1 position upon Hamer's departure, so keeping him hanging around wasn't going to achieve anything.

And Ace Face we obviously don't have good enough backup in Masters if TB/AS got Hamer in to start with prior to Brown's injury, but they obviously see his potential hence the two year deal.

 

[ACbee]

Did anyone else notice, especially those in the ER, Clark Masters' complete disinterest during the warm up for Saturday's game?

Everyone favourite goalkeeping coach was laying off balls for the subs to shoot, and Masters made little effort to save any of them, looked as though he didn't care and seemed to be very unfit.

Professional integrity says that he should do everything in his power to impress at any opportunity he has to try and get back in the team when Brown makes a mistake (a bit like Brown did when Hamer let that one under his body, can't remember the game.)

Can anyone shed any light on what's going on with him?

 

[Jakalo]

Did you not see some of the saves he made when just with goalie coach.

When the subs were shooting, they were doing so from 6 yards.

Yes, Masters will be diving for each and every one of them..

 

[Simon C]

I saw it too but I also saw all the subs and the keeping coach continually taking the mickey out of him. I think the problem probably stems from Clark but treating him like a naughty schoolboy doesn't seem to be the way to motivate him :shrug:

 

[Jimbee]

'.....seemed to be very unfit' :scratch:

 

[Nick Hester]

I just noticed him running past the Paddock laughing and roaring something as he went past.
2-0 down is hard enough to take without this clown acting a ***** every five minutes..

 

[Les Beeavinu]

It makes you mad doesn't it? Someone's given the chance to do something that a large part of the male population would give their right arm to do and can only **** around and may lose the opportunity. Does he really want to end up driving a van for a living.

 

[Stanley]

Should take a leaf from Smudger who (in the same situation) bided his time, kept fit and professional and took his opportunity when it arose. But I guess he had done the non league rounds and was grateful for a league club to give him a chance so maybe a bit wiser.

I think Masters will, at this rate, join several other former youth team players who will be binned by the end of the season.

 

[GP]

I think Masters will, at this rate, join several other former youth team players who will be binned by the end of the season.

Except he signed a 2 year contract in the summer so unless there are any takers here for another season at least

 

[ACbee]

Did you not see some of the saves he made when just with goalie coach.

When the subs were shooting, they were doing so from 6 yards.

Yes, Masters will be diving for each and every one of them..

My point exactly. Masters should be diving for each and everyone of them.

As a professional you should take every opportunity to work at your game and improve it. Would you go to work and not give your best, especially if a couple of thousand people who contribute towards your wages are watching?

At the end of the day, we as supporters are paying his wages and he, and all the others, should be busting a gut to get in and/or stay in the team. I just think we deserve more.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

I don't blame Masters in particular for a poor warm-up. All of our subs (last season as well) look completely disinterested in anything other than having a laugh when they come on to the pitch at half time; surely they should either be warming up or practising skills, not half-hearted keepy-uppy and having a laugh.... or if they're not doing anything constructive, they should stay in and hear the team talk in case they have to come on.

I wouldn't however have a go at Masters for smiling while warming up during the game. While we should hope he cares about the result, I think that it's expecting a bit much to want him to keep a scowl on his face all the time we're losing... I'm sure the employees of Northern Rock crack the odd joke at work!

 

[Aberdeen flyer]

I just noticed him running past the Paddock laughing and roaring something as he went past.
2-0 down is hard enough to take without this clown acting a ***** every five minutes..

Well at least some things at Brentford are consistent.

 

[sgaz]

I wouldn't however have a go at Masters for smiling while warming up during the game

jesus what ever next

 

[brentfordbeehive]

I just noticed him running past the Paddock laughing and roaring something as he went past.
2-0 down is hard enough to take without this clown acting a ***** every five minutes..

he was doing that to his family who was sitting in the stands

 

[GP200]

.......one of the few half decent displays today......................

 

[WarrenBee]

.......one of the few half decent displays today......................

MOM yesterday.

 

[YorkshireBeeAng]

MOM yesterday.

mine too

 

[Stanley]

mine too

That's good to hear and I hope it boosts him to realise that he has done well but I fear being the goalie that let in 7 goals (even if they weren't his fault) to equal our worst defeat in history is not going to do his confidence much good.

 

[BeeReal]

His shot stopping was excellent, especially in the second half. However, his positioning and hesitation on crosses is a major concern and the defence are not sure what he will do. Although, on Saturday, the defence was so poor that it didn't matter.

 

[PrincessBee]

the amount that says about our team is incredible. losing 7-0 and the goalie is man of the match.

 

[SmiffyBee]

I hope he is cconstantly smiling and waving to the crowd on Tuesday night

 

[Isleworth bee]

masters sh*t GK

 

[NorthamptonBee]

You would be harsh to knock him after his performance.

 

[Stanley]

Hard to blame him for tonights defeat but did not impress I'm afraid.

He is a good shot stopper, perhaps a very good one but at this level you have to be an all round keeper, basically a safe pair of hands.

On crosses he looked very vulnerable and the first goal was really his ball, his flapping at others reminded me a one Mr Bayes.

 

[MetalBee]

Hard to blame him for tonights defeat but did not impress I'm afraid.

He is a good shot stopper, perhaps a very good one but at this level you have to be an all round keeper, basically a safe pair of hands.

On crosses he looked very vulnerable and the first goal was really his ball, his flapping at others reminded me a one Mr Bayes.

Wouldn't say he had a shocker at all but from the corner it was our own ****ing players infront of him and then when the ball was cleared he let that scuffed shot deceive him. Should have done better really

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Partly to blame for both goals (and, on the first, not calling to Heywood, which would have stopped him giving away the corner in the first place) and had little else to do. The first goal reminded me of Alan Julian - panic as soon as forwards stand in front of him... though why no defender on the back post?

 

[Ace Face]

Wouldn't say he had a shocker at all but from the corner it was our own ****ing players infront of him and then when the ball was cleared he let that scuffed shot deceive him. Should have done better really

Can`t blame him for the 2nd! It was a freak volley into the ground which looped over him.

 

[Gee Bee]

Can`t blame him for the 2nd! It was a freak volley into the ground which looped over him.

He was all over the place for the original cross in though and was badly positioned. He had lost his cool moments earlier and got booked and appeared to be trying to prove a point and failed miserably.

 

[Bee49]

Not good enough, get rid off.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Can`t blame him for the 2nd! It was a freak volley into the ground which looped over him.

It was a freak but (allowing for possible distortion from an ER viewpoint) it wasn't going too quickly and went straight over his head... perhaps he was 3-4 yards out and it looped in a way that made it impossible

 

[Gee Bee]

perhaps he was 3-4 yards out and it looped in a way that made it impossible

He was, having come and missed the original cross. He should have stayed on his line, poor decision left him hopelssly stranded.

 

[Isleworth bee]

The back four were rubish last night
Flapper masters the 2nd he had a good flap at it

 

[Gee Bee]

The back four were rubish last night
Flapper masters the 2nd he had a good flap at it

The main problem last night was the lightweight midfield and Charles at left back and the poor forwad play. The rest of the back four and keeper did ok, although once he lost hisshead and got booked his concentration went.

 

[Isleworth bee]

New england goal keeper masters
no 1 flapper lol lol

 

[VTG]

For the first goal 3 defenders got in his way and not one of them jumped, so I'm pretty sure he couldn't see. In his favour, he did come out to get the ball early when it was running into empty space, Brown would need a telegram from the Queen before he did that.

 

[sonofabee]

For the first goal 3 defenders got in his way and not one of them jumped, so I'm pretty sure he couldn't see. In his favour, he did come out to get the ball early when it was running into empty space, Brown would need a telegram from the Queen before he did that.

Usually agree VTG but not this time.
A pre requisite for goalkeepers as I said earlier is that they need to have presence and command their area. It's why you never see a small top class goalie. Even if you can spring 6 foot in the air and dive left and right to stop shots it doesn't make you a good keeper. If you have 3 defenders in front you scream and knock them out of the way if it's in the 6 yard box as you've got a 3 foot reach advantage.
If it's the oppo in the way you wipe them out as well if you have to as keepers don't have fouls given against them when they come for crosses!

Brown may not come off his line, but Masters was rooted to the spot for the second goal (the corner) and also dithered and didn't come for a low cross shot that was within his six yard box and Heywood went mad at him.

Compare Hamer and Masters, sorry there is no comparison.

 

[SmiffyBee]

masters sh*t GK

The back four were rubish last night
Flapper masters the 2nd he had a good flap at it

New england goal keeper masters
no 1 flapper lol lol

I think we get your drift........If your gonna bring it...bring something new

Did he spit in your coffee or something ?