The John Mackie thread

[maddogging]

impossible

he'll be coming out dressed as Hulk Hogan soon then

 

[shouldbee]

impossible

Butcher will not drop his captain fantastic John Mackie as he'll get even more heat for giving him the 2 year deal. The admission when he was appointed that he knew NOTHING about this league or the players means he can lump all the blame on Scott as he was one of his old Orient buddies. When the time comes for Butcher to go they must not hand the job to Scott.

 

[beeeehive]

But so would I. I think TB is pretty useless at the moment but if I shouted at him I would expect a comment or two back.

I with you on this, if you can give it you have to be able to take it. All adds to the entertainment.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

When the time comes for Butcher to go they must not hand the job to Scott.

You're not the first person I've heard say that.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

The signing of this bloke is up there with Wijnhard, Onibuje, Murray Jones and the rest imo. I hold him as one of the major reasons why we are so sh*t. I don't care how inexperienced Osborne and Charles are - they must play before Mackie.

 

[golferbee]

The signing of this bloke is up there with Wijnhard, Onibuje, Murray Jones and the rest imo. I hold him as one of the major reasons why we are so sh*t. I don't care how inexperienced Osborne and Charles are - they must play before Mackie.

Actually hoped that Osbourne did start next to Heywood today.

Mackie is the worst central defender i have seen in a Brentford shirt and to make it even worse he is supposedly the captain.

 

[LingfieldBee]

Mackie is awful, i cant get over how bad he is, he just cant defend, play heywood the strong hard defender along with osbourne who will have the pace for them both!

 

[1jay1]

how many fouls has mackie given away this year???or free kicks just outside the box,

Mackie Out NOW

 

[Les Beeavinu]

how many fouls has mackie given away this year???or free kicks just outside the box,

Mackie Out NOW

I cannot understand his approach - he seems to want to wrestle every player who comes near him. I think his legs must have gone and that's all he's got left.

 

[shouldbee]

Actually hoped that Osbourne did start next to Heywood today.

Mackie is the worst central defender i have seen in a Brentford shirt and to make it even worse he is supposedly the captain.

That just sums up Butcher's pisspoor judgement, if he says it was Scott decision to sign him they why is Butcher here ? He's not a motivator, he's not a tactical manager, he's a waste of space, and to add insult to injury he gave him a 2 year deal and made him captain, you really couldn't make it up !

 

[seanrs]

I remember going to a game in season 83/84 home to Bradford, believe it was Fred Callaghans last game before he was sacked.We lost 3-0

We had a centre half on loan from Brighton (can't remember the blokes name) and that day he played his one and only game for us. At the the time and many years on from that game I could honestly say that I hadn't seen a worse performance by a single individual defender in a Bees shirt.

Then along came Mackie

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Was caught out after a minute today and the day was lost.

 

[SQUELCH]

he is so slow its unreal, how the hell is he our "leader".....

Time to give Karleigh another go. Never going to happen tho.

 

[Kettering Bee]

Even NorthamptonBee (with his poorly back) would do a better job than Mackie!

 

[Thomas Bathurst]

Playing Mackie & Heywood together was an accident waiting to happen. We've got away with it to a certain extent so far, due to the lack of pace up front of many sides in this division - however we were up against a bit of pace today and were absolutely torn to shreds. It could *easily* have been double figures. I've never seen anything quite like that today.

 

[GP200]

I cannot understand his approach - he seems to want to wrestle every player who comes near him. I think his legs must have gone and that's all he's got left.

...........spot on....................

 

[kendo]

hot off the press...

"mackie Returns to Griffin Park to find his services are no longer required"..

 

[VTG]

I heard he got done by Butcher in the 100m sprint in training.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

I remember going to a game in season 83/84 home to Bradford, believe it was Fred Callaghans last game before he was sacked.We lost 3-0

We had a centre half on loan from Brighton (can't remember the blokes name) and that day he played his one and only game for us. At the the time and many years on from that game I could honestly say that I hadn't seen a worse performance by a single individual defender in a Bees shirt.

Then along came Mackie

I think that was Mickey Brown - he came from Brighton and I only saw him once, though I'm not sure of the year. I remember he couldn't kick the ball without taking 2-3 steps back then a run-up (by which time ball and forward had gone). Mackie possibly not quite that bad, but probably the worst I've seen from an experienced pro - just beating Ian Bolton on evidence so far

 

[North London Bee]

I think that was Mickey Brown - he came from Brighton and I only saw him once, though I'm not sure of the year. I remember he couldn't kick the ball without taking 2-3 steps back then a run-up (by which time ball and forward had gone). Mackie possibly not quite that bad, but probably the worst I've seen from an experienced pro - just beating Ian Bolton on evidence so far

thought it was Andy Rollings who played in a 4-1 home defeat by Bradford City

 

[Jimbee]

We have had this situation before I seem to remember. For John Mackie, read Ian Bolton.

 

[Isleworth bee]

K.O.C is on loads of dough playing at right back
Thats why he stayed when we dropped to L2
the players we got now are well not very good
the back 4 woe full midfeild not much better

 

[NorthamptonBee]

We have had this situation before I seem to remember. For John Mackie, read Ian Bolton.

Ian Bolton fecked off fairly quickly though, I can't see JM doing this. He needs to transfer listed with the hope that Aldersot or someone need a motivating madman.

 

[SmiffyBee]

K.O.C is on loads of dough playing at right back
Thats why he stayed when we dropped to L2
the players we got now are well not very good
the back 4 woe full midfeild not much better

O'Connor hasnt found his role
The team appears to be in a hole
The players we have aren't up to scratch
Butcher's tactics are woeful and won't win a match



IsleworthBee, I think your a poet, you just don't know it

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Most teams we play are coupon bankers,
As we are coached by a pair of .......!

Any suggestions?

 

[hayes bee]

leon townley shane westley eat your heart out god they where st

 

[The O's Frogman]

Sorry he's not working out for you. I knew he'd got slower but didn't realise that he was that bad. As for motivation, I can only put that down to him being so down about his own game.

It's a shame, he was a decent player. Perhaps Father Time has just overtaken him. (Cue jokes - why not everyone else has etc).

Looks like you might really struggle this season. From my sources if Butcher goes then Scott ISNT the answer. Was youth team coach for us, wasn't great (from the reports I've heard.)

 

[NorthamptonBee]

From my sources if Butcher goes then Scott ISNT the answer. Was youth team coach for us, wasn't great (from the reports I've heard.)

Can you tell our board that please, some of us are sh*tting ourselves over that happening.:sad:

 

[Thomas Bathurst]

Sorry he's not working out for you. I knew he'd got slower but didn't realise that he was that bad. As for motivation, I can only put that down to him being so down about his own game.

I'd put Mackie down, all things considered, our worst ever "signing". He might not be the worst in terms of actual ability (although probably not far off). However when you consider the fact that he has been made captain, is seemingly virtually undroppable, is played alongside another slow (but half decent) centre half in a back four with no real pace, lacks height and pace himself, injury prone, rash & dirty, just wants to wrestle whoever he is marking and a general liabiity - how many penalties and free kicks in dangerous areas has he conceded this year? I'd say he was at the root of our on pitch problems, and the sooner Butcher realises that the better.

Utter, utter, sh*te.

 

[Thomas Bathurst]

I'd put Mackie down

Perhaps I should have left it there? The lame carthorse

 

[beeeehive]

Did anyone see the 4th Peter'boro goal lol

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Did anyone see the 4th Peter'boro goal lol

Though on that one, amongst a comedy of errors I thought Heywood was most at fault, standing still while the scorer wrapped a leg around him

 

[beeeehive]

Ah, I thought it was Mackie who got kicked around, bloody terrible goal.

 

[North London Bee]

Heywod looked equally horrendous on Saturday from the highlights I saw.

Together they are the partnership from hell.

 

[Gee Bee]

Can you tell our board that please, some of us are sh*tting ourselves over that happening.:sad:

He'll be fine with Scotty Marshall by his side.

 

[Bigbee]

I'd put Mackie down, all things considered, our worst ever "signing". He might not be the worst in terms of actual ability (although probably not far off). However when you consider the fact that he has been made captain, is seemingly virtually undroppable, is played alongside another slow (but half decent) centre half in a back four with no real pace, lacks height and pace himself, injury prone, rash & dirty, just wants to wrestle whoever he is marking and a general liabiity - how many penalties and free kicks in dangerous areas has he conceded this year? I'd say he was at the root of our on pitch problems, and the sooner Butcher realises that the better.

Utter, utter, sh*te.

you dont rate him much then Thomas?Just checking

 

[North London Bee]

I have never lived down the fact that I thought that Leon "Dancing Bear" Townley would be a good signing , and every so often my mate Russell is quick to remind me of my idiocy!

But Mackie..... he makes Leon look like Rio, Ferdinand, not Grande.

Mackie might be a fantastic influence in training and in the dressing room but he is probably the worst central defender I have seen at the club as he has nothing left in the tank and tries to get by on experience and sly cunning.

He can still read the game but the legs have gone and cannot follow the messages given by his brain.

Given his lack of height we should depend upon timing and the quality of his jump, remember Sodje, another small centrehalf and how he would hang in the air, poor Mackie can hardly lift his carcass off the floor.

Good luck to him or his agent in negotiating a 2 year deal but he really shows little or no sign of giving us any value for money.

 

[sonofabee]

I have never lived down the fact that I thought that Leon "Dancing Bear" Townley would be a good signing , and every so often my mate Russell is quick to remind me of my idiocy!

But Mackie..... he makes Leon look like Rio, Ferdinand, not Grande.

Mackie might be a fantastic influence in training and in the dressing room but he is probably the worst central defender I have seen at the club as he has nothing left in the tank and tries to get by on experience and sly cunning.

He can still read the game but the legs have gone and cannot follow the messages given by his brain.

Given his lack of height we should depend upon timing and the quality of his jump, remember Sodje, another small centrehalf and how he would hang in the air, poor Mackie can hardly lift his carcass off the floor.

Good luck to him or his agent in negotiating a 2 year deal but he really shows little or no sign of giving us any value for money.

NLB,

I can read a game doesn't mean to say I'd be any bloody good out on the pitch when the players around me are fitter, stronger and more skilful.

If it's any consolation, before he joined I also thought Townley would be a good signing!

 

[Bigbee]

He can still read the game but the legs have gone and cannot follow the messages given by his brain.


Its also contagious,many would have seen me in the same sort of trouble at a match

 

[Jimbee]

I think he headed opponents more times than the ball today and then ralphed on the physio.

 

[Stanley]

Actually had a better game tonight and outpaced their winger at one point...quite impressed with that.


At least he shed blood for the cause tonight...nobody else did.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Actually had a better game tonight and outpaced their winger at one point...quite impressed with that.


At least he shed blood for the cause tonight...nobody else did.

I thought he played really tonight in all honesty, 2nd only to the Notts County game. In actual fact, I thought the entire back four played pretty well, and thought Masters was at fault for both goals. As for Mackie though, two good performances in however many is not nearly good enough and I'll want to see a fair few more before I'm convinced he's still up to the job.

 

[sonofabee]

Actually had a better game tonight and outpaced their winger at one point...quite impressed with that.


At least he shed blood for the cause tonight...nobody else did.

I think you'll find that he was suffering concussion and when he asked "Who am I and what am |I doing here?", he was told "You're a pacey centre back whose job it is to dive headfirst at those in orange!"

To be fair I hear he's a massive influence on the pitch and he certainly has got Kevin and Darius playing like him!

 

[LingfieldBee]

One word describes Mackie, 'sh*t'!
Hes awful!

 

[WarrenBee]

One word describes Mackie, 'sh*t'!
Hes awful!

 

[SmiffyBee]

quip from A block...


"He's concussed...get him off !"

"Butcher was concussed when he signed him !"










I suppose you had to be there uppy:

 

[duncster33]

f**king usless c**t a donkey could run faster then him....

 

[SmiffyBee]

f**king usless c**t a donkey could run faster then him....

Heywood has improved, but he's still got no pace !

 

[The O's Frogman]

When you signed him I did say you needed him in partnership with a quick/young centre back.

Gutted you got done by Luton, rather see you through than them.

I am guessing that Mackie's legs just aren't up to it anymore, I've only seen the Virgin highlights (lowlights) of your games but it's pretty obvious that you are getting ripped apart by any forward line with any pace.

Who's to blame though? Pre-season I thought he would have been a decent signing for you - he might have struggled with League 1 strikers but I thought that he'd have still been decent in your league. (Patronising tone not intended!)

He always gave 100% for Orient, even when he couldn't match the speed or skillfullness of the opposition. From the clips that I've seen he doesn't seem to be doing that for you. As one guy on here said he either kicks them to the ground or wrestles them down!

TBH I'm disappointed for you and for him.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Not his worst game. Won 2 or 3 headers and showed courage in staying on, but was still pretty poor... but forwards were worse than defence last night