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lol

Quality. From what I've heard they are making another attempt to go straight back into administration as soon as they leave it.
 

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rofl
 

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Don't know the ins and outs of a CVA, but it seems an odd move for the new owners. They are flirting with relegation out of the league with a 15 point penalty.
 

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Shirley Bee said:
Don't know the ins and outs of a CVA, but it seems an odd move for the new owners. They are flirting with relegation out of the league with a 15 point penalty.
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As opposed to expulsion from the league without the 15 point penalty. I can guess which of those choices they're more likely to favour!
 

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I think Luton will be safe. They will get a 15 point overhaul over the likes of Chester and Notts County.
 

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markbfc said:
lol

Quality. From what I've heard they are making another attempt to go straight back into administration as soon as they leave it.
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From what I've heard they asked Lewis Emanuel to be drop the CVA off at the Football League but he got lost on the M25 :D
 

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shame..............................................

















ha ha ha ha
 

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Edmundo said:
It's the Supporters' Trust, isn't it? If so, I expect they don't regret saving the club from extinction.
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No, the Supporters Trust back the proposal. It's still going to be in private hands.
 

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The supporters trust have had a rep on the board until recently.
 

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TiL(Trust in Luton) back the proposal but the 2020 group are all business men, it includes Steve 'Headband' Foster apparently. They've offered some kind of limited shareholding to the Trust at this point.

The TiL board rep was a bit isolated from the old board and when he resigned - having been threatened by various Migg types - no one took over his place.

I think Luton's long term future, like ours, is dependent on a new ground...
 

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It's dependent on not making it to administration again I would have thought. From the rumours I have heard it is not inconceivable that they could have another 10 points off before next season's out!
 

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i sent the sky link to my mate who is a Luton fan who replied:

'I think they have misinterpreted the statement by the consortium taking us out of administration. If you read it below, nowhere does it say we have a deduction and there is no quote from the FA anywhere, nor on their website. I have just texted a mate who knows a guy who is part of the consortium and they don’t know anything about it. Have heard nothing from the FA either. The usual red hot journalism in this country……..

I will be surprised if we do get a 15 point deduction.'

so the GPG have managed to deduce that Luton are going to start the new season with anything up to a 25 point deuction! We're ace!

:thetruth:
 

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Lokster said:
TiL(Trust in Luton) back the proposal but the 2020 group are all business men, it includes Steve 'Headband' Foster apparently.
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and another ex-player, Godfrey Ingram. Just for correctness it's TiLT (Trust in Luton Town)

Lokster said:
The TiL board rep was a bit isolated from the old board and when he resigned - having been threatened by various Migg types - no one took over his place.
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I thought the previous board had declined to extend the invitation to another trust member? I wasn't aware of any threats


Lokster said:
I think Luton's long term future, like ours, is dependent on a new ground...
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Agreed. Thought why a town of 170,000 residents can't support a half decent side is beyond me. Though maybe it's all the people like me sitting on the First Capital Connect trains going to watch other sides that have something to do with it?
 

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Maybe they should have relocated to MK when they had the chance :D
 

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The article says that Leeds were hit with a 15 point penalty because they didn't come out of administration via a CVA.

There is a quote from a Luton bod saying:

"Following the rejection of the CVA, LTFC2020 has made our application to the Football League to exit administration without a CVA under their 'exceptional circumstances' procedure."

So they are taking the same route as Leeds and will therefore be hit with the same penalty.
 

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Apparently rumours are going around that Bournemouth are to be punished the same way in the near future.

What odds will I get for either League 1 or 2 to finish with how teams done on the field, and not off, in 2009/10? meaning no point deductions.
 

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Luton, Bournemouth and Rotherham might all start 15 point behind everyone else. No sympathy - clubs who pay their bills should not suffer in the league by others gaining an advantage eg clubs who don't.
 

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Edmundo said:
Luton, Bournemouth and Rotherham might all start 15 point behind everyone else. No sympathy - clubs who pay their bills should not suffer in the league by others gaining an advantage eg clubs who don't.
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At this rate we will be 10/15 points clear at the top before the season has even started...
 

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Siemprebee said:
Are you a teacher ?
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I'm not that evil.

But going back to subject..

Luton have issued a statement saying that the earlier reports are somewhat untrue, but would like to say that things are not 100% agreed with the league and that they are looking to leave administration without the CVA which cannot be agreed with the HMRC.
This is what got Leeds the 15 point deduction last season.
 

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why is there any doubt about this club being docked points?

dont forget

Luton face 17 charges, relating to payments to agents for nine specific player negotiations that were allegedly made through Jayten, the club's holding company, rather than through the club - as is required by FA rules.

The Hatters have also been charged with provision of misleading information to the FA, not holding representation contracts with the relevant agents for the above negotiations and dealing with two unlicensed agents (both through Jayten and directly).
 

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what kind of squad do they have

i have a feeling that they will go down!!
 

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Edmundo said:
Luton, Bournemouth and Rotherham might all start 15 point behind everyone else. No sympathy - clubs who pay their bills should not suffer in the league by others gaining an advantage eg clubs who don't.
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Precisely. And it is one reason why Bees fans have been shaking buckets for the past few years because of the debt racked up to keep up with poxy clubs like those named above.
 

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Luton Bee,

I know about the threats because I shared a house with the TiL Supporter Director's daughter. He got a lot of unneccesary crap really - from the board, who didn't really want him there and some of Luton's less pleasent supporters.
 

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eghambee said:
why is there any doubt about this club being docked points?

dont forget

Luton face 17 charges, relating to payments to agents for nine specific player negotiations that were allegedly made through Jayten, the club's holding company, rather than through the club - as is required by FA rules.

The Hatters have also been charged with provision of misleading information to the FA, not holding representation contracts with the relevant agents for the above negotiations and dealing with two unlicensed agents (both through Jayten and directly).
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With all that hanging over them they are lucky they are still in the Football League
 

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TW3Bee said:
With all that hanging over them they are lucky they are still in the Football League
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The season ain't started yet and neither are the fixtures worked out.

Not too late for a double demotion like Boston...
 

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Well the Football League hasn't given the new owners their 'Golden Share' yet as far as I'm aware...
 

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Well they have got -10 points so far!


From their official site
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Luton Town Football Club has had imposed upon it, in respect of 15 charges of misconduct, an overall sanction of a £50,000 fine along with a deduction of 10 points to be operative in the 2008/09 season.

Mr Bill Tomlins, in respect of 13 charges of misconduct has had imposed upon him an overall sanction of a £15,000 fine along with a suspension from all football and football activities for a period of five years.

Mr Derek Peter, in respect of 7 charges of misconduct has had imposed upon him an overall sanction of a £3,750 fine along with a suspension from all football and football activities for a period of one year.

Mr Richard Bagehot, in respect of a single charge of failing to immediately report the relevant wrongdoing to The Football Association has had imposed upon him the sanction of a Reprimand along with a £750 fine.

Mr John Mitchell, in respect of a single charge of failing to immediately report the relevant wrongdoing to The Football Association has had imposed upon him the sanction of a reprimand along with a £250 fine.

The agents concerned, namely Mr Andrew Mills, Mr Skylet Andrew, Mr Steven Denos, Mr Mike Berry, Mr David Manasseh and Mr Mark Curtis, in respect of a single charge which each faced of failing to have in place a written representation contract with Luton Town Football Club, have each received the sanction of a warning as to their future conduct.
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This is before the ruling on the CVA, so they could possibly start on -25!!!!!:eek:
 

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So that means were joint top, 10 points ahead of the nearest team;)
 

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I think, on the basis that West Ham didn't get a single point deducted for the Tevez affair, that the points deduction is slightly harsh.

Particularly as those directly responsible seem to have escape reasonably lightly.

On -25 you might as well just relegate them to the Conference. :shrug:
 

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Lokster said:
I think, on the basis that West Ham didn't get a single point deducted for the Tevez affair, that the points deduction is slightly harsh.
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The two cases are different. Scapegoat or not, they flouted the rules over a long period. I'm not shedding any tears.
 

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markbfc said:
The two cases are different. Scapegoat or not, they flouted the rules over a long period. I'm not shedding any tears.
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I don't disagree. But who is being punished? Every single one of the previous board has gone and they, as individuals, have been given a slap on the wrist. The club, taken over by a completely new group of people, gets a 10 point deduction. It was staff inside the club that approached the FA to, so it hardly encourages whistle blowing either.

I suspect Luton are a club most Brentford fans won't have sympathy with so I think I'm in a minority here by saying I don't think it's a punishment that fits the crime. Or rather its the wrong people who are getting punished.
 

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Lokster said:
I don't disagree. But who is being punished? Every single one of the previous board has gone and they, as individuals, have been given a slap on the wrist. The club, taken over by a completely new group of people, gets a 10 point deduction. It was staff inside the club that approached the FA to, so it hardly encourages whistle blowing either.

I suspect Luton are a club most Brentford fans won't have sympathy with so I think I'm in a minority here by saying I don't think it's a punishment that fits the crime. Or rather its the wrong people who are getting punished.
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You cannot let the club off otherwise we could all get stooges to do dodgy things and then claim innocence later.

Granted, ten points is a large sanction, but it wasn't a one-off but established practice at Luton. Ironic that the club secretary blew the whistle and she's a Luton fan.
 

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good stuff, 15 more to come then
 

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Edmundo said:
Luton, Bournemouth and Rotherham might all start 15 point behind everyone else. No sympathy - clubs who pay their bills should not suffer in the league by others gaining an advantage eg clubs who don't.
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as harsh as it may seem... i agree they must be punished
banks don't just leave you alone if you can't pay back the bills, they take your stuff from you...

BUT... i do think that those responsible should be punished, and not the team itself or the fans who have done nothing wrong. it's unfortunate the way the current system works...
 

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Harsh on the fans but the FA is seemingy in the mood to route out this sort of thing these days.

Can't help thinking they wouldn't have taken the same line with a big PL club though.
 

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Lokster said:
On -25 you might as well just relegate them to the Conference. :shrug:
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I don't think you can treat them leniently on these charges on the basis that they are also getting a deduction for a separate reason. The truth is that the chickens have come home to roost at Kenilworth Road and not before time.

walkerbee said:
BUT... i do think that those responsible should be punished, and not the team itself or the fans who have done nothing wrong. it's unfortunate the way the current system works...
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The fans were happy enough to enjoy successive promotions and a spell in the Championship as a result of their club spending beyond its means. They have to deal with the consequences. Life's a bitch, eh?
 

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Edmundo said:
The fans were happy enough to enjoy successive promotions and a spell in the Championship as a result of their club spending beyond its means. They have to deal with the consequences. Life's a bitch, eh?
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That's a really unfair statement Ed :( So they shouldn't have celebrated their promotion because their club was being run by muppets? I take back all my glee from the Noades promotion year then :(
 

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:imwith: Scum fans and scum town :nono:
 
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