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I like the tactic of leaving more in an attacking poistion, but having all back still means they have one back to cover the break.
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If you watch Neal's positioning when defending corners, he's often on the corner of the box nearest the taker, covering a deeper player, but always the first to move forward if we get possession.
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Like I said, Frank has come up against 5 of the top 6.
His next four games are al against teams in the bottom half (Swansea, Hull, Bristol City, Bolton).
I'd say that this is the time to judge. Should be picking up points and putting in decent performances against teams like that that we realistically aspire to be ahead of.
His next four games are al against teams in the bottom half (Swansea, Hull, Bristol City, Bolton).
I'd say that this is the time to judge. Should be picking up points and putting in decent performances against teams like that that we realistically aspire to be ahead of.
Thomas Frank
I do hope you wrote that just for someone to bite.... If not.... Oh dear!
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It was great and took bottle but it often worked as it left so few players to mark in our box.
I liked it when he left two up at first and the Pritchard would start to move up field just before the kick was taken thus drawing another player back at the last minute and adding more confusion for the oppo.
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Leaving 3 up meant that the oppos defenders were thinking just as much about retreating following the corner than they were of attacking our goal
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Its also easier for the goalkeeper to claim the cross and set up a quick counter attack.
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Herbert is a big Warbs fan and major critic of Benham. Herbert out lol
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Benham is just filling his pockets. Don't want to go up.Time to go. He ain't no Noades
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Yes, but a foul throw way out from goal doesn’t change hardly anything,or give any advantage, compared with one of your centre-backs lying flat on the ground with his nose in the grass 7 yards out from his own goal-line having been blatantly shoved over.
Hardly like for like!
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True but if the ref had pulled us up for it we could’ve had no complaints.
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There seems to be too many bodies in the area when a corner is taken giving Bentley a difficult task to fight through the crowd to take the ball, I Would like to see TF give it a try and station 3 players near the half way line, the opposition would then have to pull the same amount back to defend, that would then leave it easier for Bentley to collect the ball and start an attack.
I'll get me coat!!!!
I'll get me coat!!!!
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If the opposing team were to take a short corner dragging out more defenders, then work the ball into the box then the defence would be well exposed. Perhaps Warburton had prepared for this scenario?
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Or perhaps he got lucky having good players thanks to MB
My point being that having 3 players up when defending set pieces can have negative repercussions. I'm not having a go at individuals just that the tactic is not necessarily fool proof. Just another example of thinking ahead of the opposition I suppose as we try to do now.
Thomas Frank
This is exactly how we scored two of our goals against Warburton’s Forest last year.
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My basic maths says if we leave three up, they would have four back, the corner taker and keeper leaving only 5 available to attack, against 7 defending players and a keeper. Zonal or man marking shouldn’t come into it if 7 can’t manage 5. Come on Thomas, KISS!
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Thomas Frank
The odds of scoring when you leave 3 up decrease I reckon. Far better to break quickly against an under manned defence.
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Thomas Frank
I agree. Personally, I would have thought the ideal scenario is to leave 1 up, who is strong and have 2 quick runners, breaking from the edge of your own box, to whom he can lay the ball off.
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Yep, though fashion seems to be for all to break quickly instead of one up now.
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Just look at that first Derby goal where they all broke at speed from inside their own penalty area.
A fantastic goal from their perspective if not ours.
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Thomas Frank
Massive game for him today though. Has to follow up from getting out of jail Monday.
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...we are the Royal Oak, Griffin Park.
Thomas Frank
End of!!! So sad!Team selection down to him!! First ten, back four should have got rid of anything!!
Thomas Frank
I have seen enough . We make the mistakes week in week out . We concede 1 goal and crumble and let in 2 or 3 in a 10 minute spell . Or defending is a shambles and we like conceding every time the ball goes into our box Yes we looked good going forward today but a draw would have been papering over the massive cracks . If he stays in charge we are going going down as he clearly is not up to task
Thomas Frank
There is nothing in last 9 games to suggest this appointment is going to work. No signs of improvement anywhere on the pitch. Although I never believed anything good would come out of TF experiment, I'm realising the main problem is that players don't believe in "it" anymore. Don't forget, everyone was geared up to think this was to be the season of substantial promotion push. Six weeks after season started, Dean Smith was gone. That must have been a massive psychological blow to the players. - If we are going for promotion, why is he leaving? -
I've seen signs of that against Bristol City, and it continued afterwards. Whatever idea of collective progress was unifying them, it's not there anymore. Perhaps serious managerial/coaching appointment might change that. As it stands now, it's rather worrying.
I've seen signs of that against Bristol City, and it continued afterwards. Whatever idea of collective progress was unifying them, it's not there anymore. Perhaps serious managerial/coaching appointment might change that. As it stands now, it's rather worrying.
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Thomas Frank
My judgement is tomorrow he must be relieved of his duties. I have been advising major corporations around the world for 40 years and this is a classic scenario. The person at the top must change or on current form massive investment will have been wasted and League 1 will be our fate. Look at Dover Athletic who replaced their long term manager with another and results have fundamentally changed for the better. From certain relegation they are well on the way to remaining in the National League.
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Thomas Frank
What did you want him to do? Go onto the pitch ranting and raving?
Dalsgaard got the players together to b***ock them. It’s down to them to get themselves out of the mess. They got themselves into it.
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Thomas Frank
My heart sank when l saw the mid three selection. However, the match was lost because as a unit we defended shambolically. Correct substitutions and we looked far better moving forward after they had been made but for me the two who went off should not have started.
Frank talks the correct talk. We undoubtedly need to improve our collective defending. However, that aim is not being translated into pitch performances which is down to him.
So for me he got the wrong team out there and there's no evidence that the changes he wants are being implemented.lt's too many defeats to be bad luck.
Big decisions for MB.At this rate we are sinking and there's no point sitting in a 4,000 crowd in a new stadium in League 1. MB may have to break his model and bring in two experienced players in January not forgetting that we could lose at least two.
Frank talks the correct talk. We undoubtedly need to improve our collective defending. However, that aim is not being translated into pitch performances which is down to him.
So for me he got the wrong team out there and there's no evidence that the changes he wants are being implemented.lt's too many defeats to be bad luck.
Big decisions for MB.At this rate we are sinking and there's no point sitting in a 4,000 crowd in a new stadium in League 1. MB may have to break his model and bring in two experienced players in January not forgetting that we could lose at least two.
Holysmit
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Thomas Frank
Ok heres my questions to you
What makes you think he will turn it around?
After ten games with 8 losses and 10 awful performances why does he deserve another chance?
Why waste any more time on this dud. Sack him NOW
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Thomas Frank
It’s not up to me whether he stays or goes, or gets better assistance with better coaches around him.
I cannot see MB letting him leave at this time.
Nothing more.
Is he the one to take us further? It doesn’t seem like it. Does he need help? Certainly.
As I said, Riemer - who I thought was a more defensive minded coach - hasn’t improved us at all, in fact we’re worse.
Would two better coaches around the squad change us? Maybe.
Is Millen the right man for this? Possibly.
Is O’Connor the right man to bring in now? Maybe.
There needs to be voices the players can respond to. Also, the players need to respond themselves and take responsibility as some of their defending has been abysmal. Is that all down to TF? No.
Holysmit
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Thomas Frank
You have said a lot there where two words would be enough Frank out. Hes drowning.
wanderer paul
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Thomas Frank
Erm. I don't think so. I don't get as emotional as some.
I've added some pointers as to why he won't be.
Holysmit
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Thomas Frank
So he is the right man for the job? The boards ambiton has been premier league football at Lionel Road after all.
What makes you think he will turn it around?
wanderer paul
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Thomas Frank
I have no idea. On the performances over the past 8 games, it’ll be tough. Although DS began that downward spiral. I think he needs to ditch Brian Riemer, personally, and bring in better coaches that know the Championship alongside him.
Everyone’s goal is to reach the EPL. Even just for a season.
The only option for him at this time, imo, is a change of coaches. It’s whether the owner and the DOFs see this as what is needed too.
Losing Robert Rowan has been a big loss too imo.
Holysmit
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Thomas Frank
Fair play a well thought out and genuine response. I still think we need a new manager but apperciate the thoughts and view points in this post which are very well made.
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Thomas Frank
The thing I found worrying today was the way we started the second half we had the goal before half time and should have come out storming for that second half but it was so flat and disappointing 
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rebus
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Thomas Frank
We’re just into December - they weren’t “certain” relegation candidates. Thank **** you’re not anywhere near advising MB.
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