Thomas Frank

[b42long....]

You’re right, the points total is not acceptable. What we need to do is not sell any players next month but break our own rules for a January transfer window and get some in ourselves.

I wouldnt bother with this plank leading the team, may aswell keep the money until if & when someone who can motivate & drive a squad is put in charge.

 

[gbems92]

It is about as likely as Josh Mc becoming a cage fighter

lol Josh "the crusher" mceachran has a good ring to it

 

[Banana]

Knowing that something has to change isn't the same as the only action available is sacking the head coach. There are plenty of other avenues that can/must be explored. Additional coaches to provide Thomes ith support being the most obvious one. We should be looking to how we support Thomas and make it better, that's the best thing to do, if perhaps not the traditional English way of addressing football problems.

 

[rogercross]

I think the 3rd coach in needs to be good enough to step in if required and think that will make a big difference and help to turn the tide. Need a few experienced heads in January to steady the ship and would allow one of the rookie centre halves to go to at the right price to fund this if necessary.

 

[JBN]

Knowing that something has to change isn't the same as the only action available is sacking the head coach. There are plenty of other avenues that can/must be explored. Additional coaches to provide Thomes ith support being the most obvious one. We should be looking to how we support Thomas and make it better, that's the best thing to do, if perhaps not the traditional English way of addressing football problems.

Needing more support translate as not really good enough for the job. He has virtually the same set up the Smith had.

 

[Banana]

Needing more support translate as not really good enough for the job. He has virtually the same set up the Smith had.

Except he doesn't have Dean and Richard. That's two down for a start.

 

[Lush55]

Just posted on NLB blog........I agree with Banana suggesting to bring in some support,Thomas could go back to what he was doing best under Smith, and relive him of some pressure?
Bring in a couple of English/British bods to work alongside Thomas?

Look at the coaching team.....was it not the DOF's who recruited?
The DOF's have been very quite lately.....has Ras too much influence?

I listened to Charlie Adams on radio other day.....he actually talked a lot of sense and can still play a bit?
Just some thoughts!

 

[grutter]

Needing more support translate as not really good enough for the job. He has virtually the same set up the Smith had.

Agree with the 1st bit, not the second. Smith had a trusted no.2, plus coaches (in Royce and Frank) that clearly both added value. Going back to the MW years, I also look back fondly at the work our conditioning coaches did, to the extent our players pressed from the off and would often score goals near the end when other teams were flagging. I don't think all of our injuries are just down to 'bad luck' - conditioning/fitness must play a part. TF has Riemer and a goalkeeping coach who has made our no.1 worse and between them, they've alienated Daniels.

I agree with Banana that Frank needs a much better team around him, but if the players don't listen to, or respect the gaffer himself, then there's not much point in him being there as the head coach.

 

[Banana]

Just posted on NLB blog........perhaps as Banana has said, Thomas to go back to what he was doing best, relive him of some pressure?!

I didn’t say that!

 

[Lush55]

will edit.....sorry.......DONE!!

 

[mhead bee]

Banana shared that players have reputedly been turning up late for training and not in the right frame of mind.
Suggest we need that English ex player type on the coaching staff ASAP

Really, that is pi55 poor. Fine them and make them do extra running.

 

[mhead bee]

Except he doesn't have Dean and Richard. That's two down for a start.

And himself who was the number two.

 

[wanderer paul]

Knowing that something has to change isn't the same as the only action available is sacking the head coach. There are plenty of other avenues that can/must be explored. Additional coaches to provide Thomes ith support being the most obvious one. We should be looking to how we support Thomas and make it better, that's the best thing to do, if perhaps not the traditional English way of addressing football problems.

Said that a number of times already.

Bin Riemer.

Bring in two coaches who know this division. Millen/Carsley/Appleton (must be more choices available) two from these will suffice for now.

 

[Banana]

And himself who was the number two.

No he wasn’t. There were two coaches more senior than him.

 

[JBN]

Except he doesn't have Dean and Richard. That's two down for a start.

Hence the 'virtually' comment.

If you want to play the numbers game, add in Brian Riemer, thats one down.

The succession plan, assuming we had one, has fallen flat on its arse.

 

[Holysmit]

It’s like educating a piece of pork. Tuck yourself in and go to bed, there’s a good chap.

Another attempt to try and sound clever because you have nothing to back up your point, because you can't admit your wrong.

 

[Lush55]

Said that a number of times already.

Bin Riemer.

Bring in two coaches who know this division. Millen/Carsley/Appleton (must be more choices available) two from these will suffice for now.

Perhaps there is too much emphasise on "the Scandinavian way" the Championship is a totally different animal.....agree that we need some English/British influence.

 

[rebus]

Really?

We've got players we need to off load sooner rather than later. If we don't and we bring in stronger players in January, we will have a ridiculous wage bill and a huge squad with a disruptive element who know they are going and want to get in the shop window but aren't going too because we need to concentrate on players who want to play for the club rather than themselves.

MB needs to make some very big decisions and very quickly. The longer he procrastinates, the worse it will be.

Is this the same ridiculous wage bill that is in the bottom third of payers in the championship?

We know four players should leave in the summer that are on a decent screw - by our standards - and if you look at the squad now it’s pretty thin. So are you telling me you don’t want to get new players in?!

 

[rebus]

Another attempt to try and sound clever because you have nothing to back up your point, because you can't admit your wrong.

You’ve said nothing in that statement so I hope you enjoy the irony of it. Where am I wrong? It’s entirely subjective at this point.

Posting for him to go during the match when you should be concentrating on the game. What sort of support is that? You’ve wrestled Malaga’s crown as this forum’s biggest prat and one of these types that wants to be proved right even if that means we lose the next ten games on the trot.

 

[DidntYouUsedToBee]

Needing more support translate as not really good enough for the job. He has virtually the same set up the Smith had.

Thomas Frank was brought in as support when Deano was having a difficult spell

 

[JBN]

So are you telling me you don’t want to get new players in?!

I haven't said that or implied that anywhere, so not sure where you got that from.

You've said yourself we shouldn't sell any players next players next month.

This is what I said - We've got players we need to off load sooner rather than later. If we don't and we bring in stronger players in January, we will have a ridiculous wage bill and a huge squad with a disruptive element who know they are going and want to get in the shop window but aren't going too because we need to concentrate on players who want to play for the club rather than themselves.

There may be 3 or 4 players that need to go, if we bring in suitable replacements but keep the 3 or 4 that need to go, then we are increasing our wage bill necessarily. Not a great business plan.

 

[whyteleafebee76]

As I am sure most of us have been I was ,mulling on this overnight. I wonder whether a fix could be Frank reverting to his assistant role and bringing in a head coach. It's kind of a sacking or demotion but we clearly rate the bloke and he seemed to be doing a decent job supporting Deano but a new head coach may bring the direction we require at the moment. Not sure, maybe I am talking nonsense just trying to find a way to turn this around!

 

[rebus]

I haven't said that or implied that anywhere, so not sure where you got that from.

You've said yourself we shouldn't sell any players next players next month.

This is what I said - We've got players we need to off load sooner rather than later. If we don't and we bring in stronger players in January, we will have a ridiculous wage bill and a huge squad with a disruptive element who know they are going and want to get in the shop window but aren't going too because we need to concentrate on players who want to play for the club rather than themselves.

There may be 3 or 4 players that need to go, if we bring in suitable replacements but keep the 3 or 4 that need to go, then we are increasing our wage bill necessarily. Not a great business plan.

Again you use the word ridiculous to describe our wage bill with additions which currently is in the bottom third of the championship - did I really have to repeat this fact again? We have already budgeted for those four players who will be leaving in June. Two to three extra bodies (even on loan) will go some way to rectifying the mistake of the summer where extra purchases should have been made.

That is not going to bankrupt us.

 

[N16QPR]

I would suggest bringing in a decent psychologist to work with players. They've been sold a dream in the summer and after one of the man who sold them that dream left (DS), they just don't believe in it anymore. I think this is the main reason for current slump. Also, TF is not up to the job and hasn't been since day one.

 

[JBN]

Again you use the word ridiculous to describe our wage bill

I used it once!

There is little point in keeping players for the sake of it. Off load what we don't need and get better replacements in.

 

[Holysmit]

You’ve said nothing in that statement so I hope you enjoy the irony of it. Where am I wrong? It’s entirely subjective at this point.

Posting for him to go during the match when you should be concentrating on the game. What sort of support is that? You’ve wrestled Malaga’s crown as this forum’s biggest prat and one of these types that wants to be proved right even if that means we lose the next ten games on the trot.

I posted it because I had given up, ask anyone I genuinely thought we were going to win the game beforehand and I just couldn't take it, people react in different ways.

I don't want us to lose anymore games, you can ask anyone that and for very personal reasons I want us to start quickly. I want us to win games because I'm terrified we are going to get relegated. I couldn't give a sh*t if i'm proven wrong and that makes me look like a **** as I will have got what I want and that's Brentford doing well and if people want to laugh at me they can because I accept if you make a case like have and are proven wrong you deserve that.

Also you really need to look at the way you speak to people. All you do is insult people rather then try to make a point.

 

[Doovster]

Knowing that something has to change isn't the same as the only action available is sacking the head coach. There are plenty of other avenues that can/must be explored. Additional coaches to provide Thomes ith support being the most obvious one. We should be looking to how we support Thomas and make it better, that's the best thing to do, if perhaps not the traditional English way of addressing football problems.

Is Thomas a leader though? If for arguments sake Millen and Carsley were brought in as assistants would it undermine Thomas as a leader. Would the players look more to Millen who would become the de facto manager?

Very difficult but my gut tells me TF not cut out to lead and better in assisting than actually being the front man.

 

[rebus]

Also you really need to look at the way you speak to people. All you do is insult people rather then try to make a point.

You’re confusing me with someone that gives a sh*t about your feelings.

People like you grind my gears becuase you’re emotion over any considered thought. Sack him! Get rid! Next coach please! Have a look at the underlying issues around our form. Thomas knows what happening at the moment is not good enough but that’s only part of the story.

The DOFs owe him a transfer window to get new bodies in and not rely of a quartet of sh*thouses that are only eyeing their next pay check elsewhere.

 

[hypa123]

I can think of nothing more likely to unsettle the first-team squad than a change of head coach at the present time. We have essentially the same squad we had at the beginning of the season, the squad that took 15 points from its first eight games. It was a squad that was widely seen as set fair for a promotion challenge. It was praised for the quality of its attacking football. If anything, the squad has been strengthened since those early games, given that Judge, Henry and Odubajo have returned to full fitness. However the signs of defensive frailty were already apparent, for example with the soft goal conceded in the game against Stoke, a mix-up between Mepham and Bentley. Dean Smith was no more able to stem the stream of defensive errors than Thomas Frank has been. How can a head coach budget against the sort of errors that Bentley was committing and which caused him briefly to be dropped to the bench? In what way can Frank be held accountable for the sort of slips committed by Konsa and Mepham yesterday? The squad that took 15 points from eight games in the autumn is perfectly capable of doing the same in the winter and spring. The second half fight-backs in both the WBA and Swansea games showed that our players have the right stuff. Our young central defenders will learn from their mistakes. For me it's very much a case of keeping our nerve and steady as she goes.

 

[W13 Bee]

The DOFs owe him a transfer window to get new bodies in and not rely of a quartet of sh*thouses that are only eyeing their next pay check elsewhere.

Surely you are always in a situation where some (or most) players are looking at their next move? If it is Nico and Lewis this year then it will be Kamo and Dalsgaard next year. I’d say it is the role of the Head Coach to manage that situation.

We had pretty much a whole team of players with moves lined up elsewhere in the Coppell season but we didn’t do too badly then.

 

[CTBee]

Said that a number of times already.

Bin Riemer.

Bring in two coaches who know this division. Millen/Carsley/Appleton (must be more choices available) two from these will suffice for now.

Why do you blame Riemer but not Frank?

 

[rebus]

We had pretty much a whole team of players with moves lined up elsewhere in the Coppell season but we didn’t do too badly then.

Becuase all the players knew Coppell was going too - he told them.

 

[W13 Bee]

Becuase all the players knew Coppell was going too - he told them.

Yep?? I’d say if anything the players in that scenario would typically have given up even earlier. There was no suggestion of it in that team.

 

[Lush55]

Surely you are always in a situation where some (or most) players are looking at their next move? If it is Nico and Lewis this year then it will be Kamo and Dalsgaard next year. I’d say it is the role of the Head Coach to manage that situation.

We had pretty much a whole team of players with moves lined up elsewhere in the Coppell season but we didn’t do too badly then.

But as we all know, its not the Head Coach...........it's DOF's that are mostly responsible........I agree (not always) with Rebus,,,,,,,and the DOF's need to step up in the next few weeks!

 

[rebus]

Yep?? I’d say if anything the players in that scenario would typically have given up even earlier. There was no suggestion of it in that team.

I think you underestimate the presence Coppell had around those players. He didn’t have to put his medals on the table to earn respect.

 

[King Bee]

Why do you blame Riemer but not Frank?

Easy to blame but frankly the wrong first hire, it smacks of Marinus appointing his drinking buddy from Rotterdam.

 

[W13 Bee]

But as we all know, its not the Head Coach...........it's DOF's that are mostly responsible........I agree (not always) with Rebus,,,,,,,and the DOF's need to step up in the next few weeks!

I’m not referring to the situation of having out of contract players, I mean the ability for those players to perform.

Given the way we are run, we will always have players who look to the next move (Mepham, Watkins, Maupay etc) plus the out of contract ones.

You can’t just have players who are eyeing a move to not be performing.

 

[doctor_bee(MBBS)]

I’ve defended TF previously and after watching the Swansea highlights, I’d defend him again. He is simply not accountable for the multiple errors at the back leading to the first 3 goals.
The more you watch it the more calamitous it looks.
Yeah you can bang on about certain tactics, timing of subs etc but some players aren’t doing their jobs.
And we should have nicked a point too but for some bad finishing.

 

[W13 Bee]

I think you underestimate the presence Coppell had around those players. He didn’t have to put his medals on the table to earn respect.

That’s exactly my point. We need that now.

 

[rebus]

That’s exactly my point. We need that now.

It works both ways and the players need to take responsibility.

 

[JBN]

The DOFs owe him a transfer window to get new bodies in and not rely of a quartet of sh*thouses that are only eyeing their next pay check elsewhere.

Why do they owe him a transfer window? Is there some sort of gentlemen's agreement in place?

Potentially thats another 8 league games to go through.

As for the quartet of sh*thouses, why are we playing them if they don't give a sh*t and why should we hang onto them until the summer?

 

[W13 Bee]

It works both ways and the players need to take responsibility.

Fair enough, I’d like to think they would, but I don’t think they feel they need to. Particularly in the current day and age of the way agents work.

 

[Holysmit]

You’re confusing me with someone that gives a sh*t about your feelings.

People like you grind my gears becuase you’re emotion over any considered thought. Sack him! Get rid! Next coach please! Have a look at the underlying issues around our form. Thomas knows what happening at the moment is not good enough but that’s only part of the story.

The DOFs owe him a transfer window to get new bodies in and not rely of a quartet of sh*thouses that are only eyeing their next pay check elsewhere.

Cool dont care if you dont or you do this is a message board thats it. But if you want people who grind your gears to leave you alone dont post comments like you do and then not expect any comeback!!

Regarding your last bit, yes there are players who clearly dont want to be here, but I personally dont think thats the issue. I think they dont know whats expected of them and the intent that we had under Smith has gone.

Regarding a transfer window, serious question does he have any say regardless as I thought most transfers were done by Giles and Ankersen?

 

[TW3Bee]

I would not describe either as awful sides.
They will be 2 tough games.

Oth teams will be looking at us in the same light.

 

[grutter]

Why do they owe him a transfer window? Is there some sort of gentlemen's agreement in place?

What I don't get is the inflexibility of the model which seems to make signing any experienced players a no no. We would still be in league one if we hadn't mixed youth with experience. We'd already got Douglas, fell just short in the play offs, so then went and bought McCormack (and Tony Craig as well)? That experience helped in the next season too. Time to scour league one for something similar, perhaps?

 

[To Bee Someone]

The biggest disappointment yesterday was during that injury break. Their bench all out on the touchline given particular players instructions. Look to our Bench Frank just stood, josh having a chinwag with their big centre forward and everyone else stood with their hands on their hips. Perfect time to bring the players together and sort them out. I can forgive an early goal but not the collapse that ensued.

 

[sonofabee]

What I don't get is the unflexibility of the model which seems to make signing any experienced players a no no. We would still be in league one if we hadn't mixed youth with experience. We'd already got Douglas, fell just short in the play offs, so then went and bought McCormack (and Tony Craig as well)? That experience helped in the next season too. Time to scour league one for something similar, perhaps?

 

[Vid]

Just found a coach to help TF....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqX3dXeLDeI

 

[seanrs]

You’re confusing me with someone that gives a sh*t about your feelings.

People like you grind my gears becuase you’re emotion over any considered thought. Sack him! Get rid! Next coach please! Have a look at the underlying issues around our form. Thomas knows what happening at the moment is not good enough but that’s only part of the story.

The DOFs owe him a transfer window to get new bodies in and not rely of a quartet of sh*thouses that are only eyeing their next pay check elsewhere.

All about opinions but I think giving him a transfer window is a massive risk in itself, particularly if the next couple of games don't go well

 

[sonofabee]

I posted it because I had given up, ask anyone I genuinely thought we were going to win the game beforehand and I just couldn't take it, people react in different ways.

I don't want us to lose anymore games, you can ask anyone that and for very personal reasons I want us to start quickly. I want us to win games because I'm terrified we are going to get relegated. I couldn't give a sh*t if i'm proven wrong and that makes me look like a **** as I will have got what I want and that's Brentford doing well and if people want to laugh at me they can because I accept if you make a case like have and are proven wrong you deserve that.

Also you really need to look at the way you speak to people. All you do is insult people rather then try to make a point.

Don’t take it personally mate, it’s not you he’s condescending to everyone having been trained by Winnie lol lol