Thomas Frank

[Three3D]

Rosler, Carsley, Smith didn‘t exactly achieve significantly here … they just kept things ticking along. None of them would have taken the club to the next level and were worth investing further in, and I’m sure MB was fully aware of that.

I don't think would have even attempted to keep Rosler, Carsley and Smith in their role. Maybe Smith? But I don't recall any shedding of tears when they left....
It be different with TF..

 

[Three3D]

What pressure!! They sack him he gets paid out his contract. Wish I could get such favourable terms going to work knowing no matter how sh*t I job I did my financial security was assured

True but nonetheless noone likes to be sacked publicly. It's a dent to ego.

 

[BFCFTW]

I'm not sure it's about how we will tempt him to stay as much as what his personal philosophy is/values are. He's always consistently said words to the effect of "never get too high after a win, never get too low after a loss" which suggests he values a balanced and steady long-term approach rather than the fickleness some other PL teams. That's a bit of an edge that we have as a small club in a big pond.

Tempting fate as I might be to say it, but Brentford offer him that steady progression (hopefully!), where things even out over time, rather than the boom or bust of a bigger club, where he might be a god for a day, but be out the door in a matter of months. So I hope he wants to see how far he can go with us before considering other options that may have considerably more polarised outcomes.

 

[TennesseeBee]

Personally, no matter how much I love the company I work for, I would leave my job for a significant pay raise. And I think most of you would too. At the end of the day it’s a business

 

[A Real Mysteron]

Rosler, Carsley, Smith didn‘t exactly achieve significantly here … they just kept things ticking along. None of them would have taken the club to the next level and were worth investing further in, and I’m sure MB was fully aware of that.

With respect, I have to disagree with regard to Uwe.
He was the first Manager in my supporting lifetime where I could actually discern some real tactics unfolding before my eyes.
For me it was Uwe who set the tone for New Brentford.

I think Smith is a fraud quite frankly, and Carsley was a bit player.

 

[jbee]

I don't understand why people think he wouldn't go to a bigger PL club even on life changing wages, but that he might be tempted by the Denmark job, where he would have little to do and probably for less money than he gets now.

 

[Invipai]

Frank has previously spoken about how 'the grass isn't always greener'. While he could well be tempted to move on to a big club at some point, I think it would have to be the right project for him. I don't think he'd be a 'chase the money at the first opportunity' guy. It would have to be a seriously good opportunity IMO.

 

[Three3D]

Personally, no matter how much I love the company I work for, I would leave my job for a significant pay raise. And I think most of you would too. At the end of the day it’s a business

Not everyone is motivated solely by money.. believe it or not.

 

[CTBee]

...............just checked the trophy cabinet.................

Found this?

 

[Shamrock_Bee]

Frank has previously spoken about how 'the grass isn't always greener'. While he could well be tempted to move on to a big club at some point, I think it would have to be the right project for him. I don't think he'd be a 'chase the money at the first opportunity' guy. It would have to be a seriously good opportunity IMO.

Hopefully not for a while but that seriously good opportunity will come his way eventually if he keeps achieving what he is with us.

He would be a huge loss but I trust the model and suspect the process of developing from within has already started. Justin Cochrane for example was a very good appointment and Bernardo Cueva looks impressive. Thomas is the most important part of the coaching team of course but always good to look ahead which we appear to always do.

 

[Babbelfish]

This may be wide of the mark - it’s the Sun after all - but even if roughly correct, I was surprised at the vast gulf between some mangers’ salaries eg. Rogers gets c. x7 Thomas’ earnings

Prem managers' salaries revealed after Arteta signs £8.3m Arsenal deal

ARSENAL have awarded Mikel Arteta a lucrative £8.3million a year deal to keep him at the club. But it only makes him the FIFTH highest earning Premier League manager. SunSport exclusively revealed …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[HaylingBee74]

Aren’t Leicester in a poor position financially making BR sacking not an option yet. Realistically they need to do better than 3 teams, Forest and Bournemouth with maybe Everton would do them fine, it won’t be a smooth ride but I think they need to trust in Rodgers

 

[ChertseyBee]

I'd be a bit surprised if either Leicester or Aston Villa pull the trigger this early. Rodgers is more likely to walk than get the sack and Leicester might think it's best to stick with what they've got, knowing there are no funds available for a new manager. Villa will be desperate for Gerrard to succeed and unless they are rooted to the bottom, I can't see them acting yet.

As daft as it might sound, I can see Forest losing patience with Cooper quicker than other clubs... and TF isn't going to jump on Forest's crazy
managerial merry-go-round!!

 

[Hullbee]

True but nonetheless noone likes to be sacked publicly. It's a dent to ego.

It’s a dent on my ego being so poor I have work for the best part of 40-50 years!! What a waste of a life

 

[Hullbee]

Not everyone is motivated solely by money.. believe it or not.

Agree.

but you would feel a bit of a tit if you turned down lucrative deals to remain loyal to your current employer only for your light to dim and they sack you….

 

[Hullbee]

I'm not sure it's about how we will tempt him to stay as much as what his personal philosophy is/values are. He's always consistently said words to the effect of "never get too high after a win, never get too low after a loss" which suggests he values a balanced and steady long-term approach rather than the fickleness some other PL teams. That's a bit of an edge that we have as a small club in a big pond.

Tempting fate as I might be to say it, but Brentford offer him that steady progression (hopefully!), where things even out over time, rather than the boom or bust of a bigger club, where he might be a god for a day, but be out the door in a matter of months. So I hope he wants to see how far he can go with us before considering other options that may have considerably more polarised outcomes.

You make being employed by Brentford as the footballing equivalent of working for a Council

 

[Billy Hunt]

It’s a dent on my ego being so poor I have work for the best part of 40-50 years!! What a waste of a life

Plenty of time for your ego to get used to it

 

[badgerbee]

My main concern about TF looking elsewhere, is that he has such clear confidence in his own ability. Look for example, at his insistence on the benefits of the 5 sub rule. He obviously thinks that he can use it to better effect than his opposite number to influence a game. And I reckon he's right!!
I can imagine him thinking/wanting to prove this on a more regular basis, against the so-called best coaches in the world. Which would require him to compete on an at least "more equal" playing field. I.e. Having better quality players at his disposal.....

Stand by this.

 

[North London Bee]

The time will eventually come when he’s offered something too good and lucrative for him to turn down.

 

[StevieSteve]

The time will eventually come after we've won the Champion's League when he might want a new challenge

 

[larrysigny]

I may be imagining it - bu didn't he once say that when he left Brentford he wants to go travellling with his family, spending more time with them?

 

[gbems92]

Just saw a video of thomas tuchel driving a smart car which was refreshing even though it looked rubbish. Got me wondering what our own thomas drives, anyone know?

I imagine something equally modest but can imagine him in a mustang

 

[Banana]

Just saw a video of thomas tuchel driving a smart car which was refreshing even though it looked rubbish. Got me wondering what our own thomas drives, anyone know?

I imagine something equally modest but can imagine him in a mustang

E-Type Jag. If not, then he should.

 

[Ambrose_1889]

I remember people saying similar about Mark Warburton, yet he was more than happy to apply for other Championship vacancies for a bit more dough.

Thomas Frank will be no different and good luck to him.

 

[AB]

Unlike players, managers can have long careers. TF could be in the game another 25-30 years. The key is whether he feels staying gives him what he needs for the long term. As soon as that comes into doubt there’s a risk of him being interested by other offers. But just going for money otherwise might not be enough depending on his ambitions. Picking up a jackpot of 5x salary is less appealing if the next club is a basket case who’ll probably sack him at a point where his stock has fallen. After that it’s ever decreasing (but maybe still lucrative) circles and not much fun or achievement.

Klopp has had “seventh season syndrome” in each of his jobs. So there is another way and value in staying longer in each job while they provide the right challenge and support. Let’s not worry too much about it as there looks plenty more to attract about us for several years and if he goes we probably have a good idea who should come next and us fans are unlikely to know them.

 

[BFCFTW]

I remember people saying similar about Mark Warburton, yet he was more than happy to apply for other Championship vacancies for a bit more dough.

Thomas Frank will be no different and good luck to him.

And yet Thomas Frank signed up to the gig happy to be a smaller cog in the machine as Head Coach than as Manager, because he believed in the long-term vision. Warburton couldn't live with that redistribution of power. So off he f****d

 

[readingbee]

Unlike players, managers can have long careers. TF could be in the game another 25-30 years. The key is whether he feels staying gives him what he needs for the long term. As soon as that comes into doubt there’s a risk of him being interested by other offers. But just going for money otherwise might not be enough depending on his ambitions. Picking up a jackpot of 5x salary is less appealing if the next club is a basket case who’ll probably sack him at a point where his stock has fallen. After that it’s ever decreasing (but maybe still lucrative) circles and not much fun or achievement.

Klopp has had “seventh season syndrome” in each of his jobs. So there is another way and value in staying longer in each job while they provide the right challenge and support. Let’s not worry too much about it as there looks plenty more to attract about us for several years and if he goes we probably have a good idea who should come next and us fans are unlikely to know them.

I feel if TF was offered the job as the Danish Manager he’d grab it, and who could blame him. I’m sure it will happen eventually.

 

[badgerbee]

I remember people saying similar about Mark Warburton, yet he was more than happy to apply for other Championship vacancies for a bit more dough.

Thomas Frank will be no different and good luck to him.

TF "No different" to MW??!!
???

 

[Nickabee]

I don’t think Thomas would leave BFC for any other British club and whilst I think he is fantastic if he did leave I wouldn’t worry that much. I believe we are larger than any individual member of staff or player which has been proved many times in recent years including this season with the loss of Eriksen.

 

[Bee(h)Iver]

I don’t think Thomas would leave BFC for any other British club and whilst I think he is fantastic if he did leave I wouldn’t worry that much. I believe we are larger than any individual member of staff or player which has been proved many times in recent years including this season with the loss of Eriksen.

I’m pretty sure that if Man City or Liverpool were looking at TF to be the post Pep/Klopp manager then he’d be off. And who could blame him. Even Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal would probably tempt him.

I also think that TF’s philosophy is so embedded in the way we play that replacing him would be a real challenge.

 

[BFCFTW]

I’m pretty sure that if Man City or Liverpool were looking at TF to be the post Pep/Klopp manager then he’d be off. And who could blame him. Even Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal would probably tempt him.

I also think that TF’s philosophy is so embedded in the way we play that replacing him would be a real challenge.

And there's the rub. Is it the philosophy of the club's vision that he's willingly taken on and embedded himself into as Head Coach (not Manager), or the one he's embedded into the team? He's proven himself as a Head Coach, not a manager, and he may prefer the role of the former.

 

[Mattingly Bee]

One of the great things about Thomas is he is 100% invested in us as a club and a group of people. What we have isn’t going to be found anywhere else. He gets us. Bus stop in Hounslow. Peter Gilham. Phil Giles. Matthew Benham. In his own words “this club is f***ing roll and roll”. In his captain’s words “this is what it means, ja? This is what it means!!”

 

[BFC1997]

Didn’t he recently say he could be here for another 10-15 years?

 

[DanishPlastic]

I think the Denmark job is the one job that would definitely tempt him if Hjulmand stops

He is thr kind of guy that would appreciate the better job life balance

 

[Hullbee]

Didn’t he recently say he could be here for another 10-15 years?

I told my boss that and his heart sank a little and he struggled to hide his delight at the prospect

 

[Bee(h)Iver]

I think the Denmark job is the one job that would definitely tempt him if Hjulmand stops

He is thr kind of guy that would appreciate the better job life balance

I think he’ll want to win something in club football before semi-retiring to manage Denmark. Also he strikes me as someone who thrives on the day-to-day interaction with the squad. There was a comment the other day about TF ‘being Thomas’ and going over to chat to the trialists

 

[Guildford Bee]

I think he’ll want to win something in club football before semi-retiring to manage Denmark. Also he strikes me as someone who thrives on the day-to-day interaction with the squad. There was a comment the other day about TF ‘being Thomas’ and going over to chat to the trialists

Yep. He can walk into that Denmark job as soon as it’s available but I think he’ll feel he has more to do in club football first

 

[SmiffyBee]

Stand by this.

Hark at Ben E King ! ?

 

[TadB]

Hark at Ben E King ! ?

This thread is drifting now.

 

[TadB]

I think he’ll want to win something in club football before semi-retiring to manage Denmark. Also he strikes me as someone who thrives on the day-to-day interaction with the squad. There was a comment the other day about TF ‘being Thomas’ and going over to chat to the trialists

Semi retiring? He will want to retire a rich man so his next move will be to a club somewhere that will make him an offer that he could not refuse. Let's hope that he stays with us a while longer yet.

 

[TadB]

One of the great things about Thomas is he is 100% invested in us as a club and a group of people. What we have isn’t going to be found anywhere else. He gets us. Bus stop in Hounslow. Peter Gilham. Phil Giles. Matthew Benham. In his own words “this club is f***ing roll and roll”. In his captain’s words “this is what it means, ja? This is what it means!!”

If he is paid well enough he will soon enough "get" another club, and another group of people. I have been around long enough to realise that nothing ever stays the same, however, much you want it to.

 

[TadB]

I may be imagining it - bu didn't he once say that when he left Brentford he wants to go travellling with his family, spending more time with them?

Yes, travelling to Italy, Spain, Germany, or France. Will be a change for the family to live in the sun for a while, go to school in Germany, or drink French wine.

 

[Banana]

Klopp has had “seventh season syndrome” in each of his jobs.

Not unusual in any line of work. What can you improve after 7 years?

 

[MadsMadsMads]

I think the Denmark job is the one job that would definitely tempt him if Hjulmand stops

He is thr kind of guy that would appreciate the better job life balance

Agree. But then we just take Hjulmand ? it would be a like for like replacement as well ?

 

[Garybaldbee]

Agree. But then we just take Hjulmand ? it would be a like for like replacement as well ?

I must admit that thought has occurred to me as well. I've also wondered whether Brian Riemer might make a suitable replacement. I've no idea how well equipped he would be for the top job or to what extent he would even want a role like that.

 

[Herbert]

Personally, no matter how much I love the company I work for, I would leave my job for a significant pay raise. And I think most of you would too. At the end of the day it’s a business

It's such a sh*t comparison to compare someone who earns millions a year, in a privileged job where if he was to be "sacked" he will profit further, to someone in the real world earning a fraction of that, looking to get by and improve their own and their families lives

 

[Sandybee]

I feel if TF was offered the job as the Danish Manager he’d grab it, and who could blame him. I’m sure it will happen eventually.

I’ve thought this too. We’ve got plenty of Danish connections throughout the Club, from the owner’s connections with Myjiland(spelling!) to the Head Coach and players. It looks like Denmark’s preparations for the World Cup are pretty solid, but after that’s finished, what’s ahead? Why didn’t they ask Eriksen!!

 

[JCMcBee]

....hate being a partypooper...but let's all get back in the room....TF ain't goin anywhere anytime soon

 

[Ashford Bees]

....hate being a partypooper...but let's all get back in the room....TF ain't goin anywhere anytime soon

I can imagine Lord Matthew of Benham has aspirations to get us into Europe and win a trophy or 2. This is a long term project that TF has 100% bought into. We are a unique club with a solid set of values from top to bottom. He is a perfect piece of this magnificent puzzle.

 

[JCMcBee]

I can imagine Lord Matthew of Benham has aspirations to get us into Europe and win a trophy or 2. This is a long term project that TF has 100% bought into. We are a unique club with a solid set of values from top to bottom. He is a perfect piece of this magnificent puzzle.

..... exactly....can only think that those deliberating his future...like a drama....even when it doesn't exist.