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On Sky (paraphrasing) we were far from top but still very tough to take.
He looked gutted.
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Won’t be landing any elite jobs if people have seen our 2nd half no shows from United and tonight. Becoming a habit.
Back to the away game drawing board.
Back to the away game drawing board.
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But United have a track record of appointing managers who have simply won a 3-horse race in minor European leagues…
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No they appoint managers from big clubs with a record of success in their domestic league and Europe.
Thomas got us up via the play offs and had won nothing …..yet
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Sorry but he has a lot to answer for after that sh*t show.
Embarrassing way to set us up.
subs were muck, and we didn’t need the change at the end bringing Mee on, that’s not the Brentford way.
it was honestly like we were playing with 10men at times.
love him to bits, but he needs to sort this away form out.
had us playing like a non league team tonight.
Embarrassing way to set us up.
subs were muck, and we didn’t need the change at the end bringing Mee on, that’s not the Brentford way.
it was honestly like we were playing with 10men at times.
love him to bits, but he needs to sort this away form out.
had us playing like a non league team tonight.
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Thomas is managing a squad with no fit first choice full backs. It’s showing as the better teams (and it really pains me to put FFC in that bracket) will always find ways, in the end, to exploit that.
Our subs didnt positively impact the game, theirs did. Fine margins etc.
Our subs didnt positively impact the game, theirs did. Fine margins etc.
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Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh after everything this evening.
Come on man, give your head a shake. You can’t be serious. What a load of b@llox you are spouting.
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Just seen the short BBC interview. Can’t help but feel his composed response, though so often the case, masks a brewing frustration that he’ll let rip once back in the dressing room
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I can see an unhappy ending on the horizon. Thomas is not getting the best out of the boys and something is not right at the moment
Maybe I'm overthinking it all after a poor performance!!
Maybe I'm overthinking it all after a poor performance!!
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Thomas Frank
The Ben Mee sub was grim. And we conceded twice after he came on so I hope that’s the last time we see that rubbish. Anyway everyone is allowed a mistake, especially Thomas. He’s allowed many.
Thomas needs to stop the away rot, cause it’s starting to look like we did 8/10 years ago away from home - I.e. being inexcusably sh*t. Thomas brought us a long way in terms of away performances (always remember winning 1-0 at Boro in 19/20 and that felt like the start of a new away mentality). We’ve got the annual bullying at Goodison to come, then round off away at Chelsea, Villa and Brighton. Put in a decent show at one of them and start a new slate. It’s going to be tough but Thomas can get it done.
Thomas needs to stop the away rot, cause it’s starting to look like we did 8/10 years ago away from home - I.e. being inexcusably sh*t. Thomas brought us a long way in terms of away performances (always remember winning 1-0 at Boro in 19/20 and that felt like the start of a new away mentality). We’ve got the annual bullying at Goodison to come, then round off away at Chelsea, Villa and Brighton. Put in a decent show at one of them and start a new slate. It’s going to be tough but Thomas can get it done.
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I don't doubt that he can let rip when he needs to.
A concern for me is that whatever he is doing or saying seems to be having no impact. In the past, he always got a reaction. Too many players are underperforming. We were totally outclassed tonight.
I got some pelters on here after the Ipswich game, suggesting the main reason we had a decent points total was because we'd already played our easiest 5 games of the season (the teams that occupied the bottom 5 places). Well tonight was our first game against a mid table club, but it ended up like a lower division club trying to hold out against a CL club.
Time to try something different. It's not working.
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Did anyone think Ben Mee looked completely clueless as to where he was actually being asked to play or what he was expected to do when he came on?
He ran on across the park, turned around when he got to left back and ran back across to right back and then appeared to ask Nathan “how can I help?, where would you like me”
Quite bizarre substitution
He ran on across the park, turned around when he got to left back and ran back across to right back and then appeared to ask Nathan “how can I help?, where would you like me”
Quite bizarre substitution
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Silva outfoxed Frank tonight.
It happens.
Cairney and Wilson on for them with Thomas’ reply in Mee on for a tired Bryan to shore it up got us 5 yards deeper in a already very deep set block.
Thomas was leaning for the line, like us, thinking can we get away with a 1 nil against the run.
Silva went for it and got the rewards.
Two very good managers, Thomas like the team reacted a little too slow to the draw in both respects.
We play at home with freedom and fun, away from home with a frown and nervousness.
It happens.
Cairney and Wilson on for them with Thomas’ reply in Mee on for a tired Bryan to shore it up got us 5 yards deeper in a already very deep set block.
Thomas was leaning for the line, like us, thinking can we get away with a 1 nil against the run.
Silva went for it and got the rewards.
Two very good managers, Thomas like the team reacted a little too slow to the draw in both respects.
We play at home with freedom and fun, away from home with a frown and nervousness.
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The thing I found odd was how much of the game we gave them. when you talk about showing a team ‘too much respect’, it’s one thing to do it against a Man City, but against Fulham.
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I think he almost is immune tbh, he got it wrong tonight but I still find it hard to criticise him. He's done so much good and will continue to. Bad day at the office but I wouldn't want anyone else managing this team whatsoever, including all the big names.
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"We win or we learn" I love Thomas but away from has been pretty awful for over a season..I was thinking back to Wolves away in our first PL season when we had the ability to guts it out, we have totally lost that ability, we are so fragile away from home. As others have said tonight was just like Man U away last season, on 88 mins plenty including me would have gladly taken a point, we all knew what was coming. Whether it's coaching or something else our mentality away from home must be addressed and that comes from the head coach
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His subs cost us the game. I love Frank but this stat is appalling
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Yes I agree it's frustrating but let's keep perspective. We had the 4th lowest wage bill in the league last season (dunno about this season) so we will drop points from winning positions as we don't have the best players. At least we're competitive in games, that's all we can really ask for at this level.
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Thomas will be disappointed but we didn't deserve anything against Fulham.so there is work to do away from home. It can't help with the constant noise about other clubs interested in his services and whilst he deals with these scenarios perfectly in the media, it can be unsettling for him and the squad.
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I think you answered your own question with your last sentence.
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Because his ability as a coach is judged on one poor performance?.......not that he has any intention of going anywhere anyway.
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Thomas has taken us to the promise land.
And every season except last (which he has a billion injuries to contend with) kept us safely mid table with some fantastic results and memories.
Got us to a semi final of the league cup, got us to the QF this season.
We ain’t going down this season either.
Thomas does make mistakes. He is stubborn. The substitutions of 60/70/80 are folk law. He refuses to change that in the most part.
We do lose points in way too many games from winning positions. I don’t know if this is now the mentality of the team or Thomas’ instructions to “keep it tight” when we take a lead.
But the real question is. Has Thomas taken us as far as he can go?
Are we happy with constant mid table?
Who’s to say a new manager would destroy everything he’s worked on to make us solid or maybe they would take us up a level?
Simply. We just don’t have the financial firepower in our little stadium to do much better than we are doing. We are over achieving everytine we finish top 15 IMO.
I know the Bananas of this world would like to think we have an outside chance of Europe but realistically, our squad isn’t deep enough.
Just a ramble really
And every season except last (which he has a billion injuries to contend with) kept us safely mid table with some fantastic results and memories.
Got us to a semi final of the league cup, got us to the QF this season.
We ain’t going down this season either.
Thomas does make mistakes. He is stubborn. The substitutions of 60/70/80 are folk law. He refuses to change that in the most part.
We do lose points in way too many games from winning positions. I don’t know if this is now the mentality of the team or Thomas’ instructions to “keep it tight” when we take a lead.
But the real question is. Has Thomas taken us as far as he can go?
Are we happy with constant mid table?
Who’s to say a new manager would destroy everything he’s worked on to make us solid or maybe they would take us up a level?
Simply. We just don’t have the financial firepower in our little stadium to do much better than we are doing. We are over achieving everytine we finish top 15 IMO.
I know the Bananas of this world would like to think we have an outside chance of Europe but realistically, our squad isn’t deep enough.
Just a ramble really
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Anything above 18th place in our stadium and with our budget is an achievement if we’re being 100% honest.
Banana is talking about Eurovision
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In 2006 after 15 years of success Charlton part company with Alan Curbishley because they had become bored with mid table year in year out… they wanted more and boy did they get it more lower league gsmes and are a long way from where they were prior to telling Slan he wasn’t the man to take them on to greatness
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TF’s normal approach is absolutely not to “keep it tight” to defend a lead. People on here after our other defeats said maybe it should have been. Whereas in fact what he almost always does is to freshen up and go for another goal (eg v Ipswich).
Last night was unusual because he for once didn’t throw the dice at 1-0 to push for a second and defend against Fulham’s onslaught by attacking. Instead he brought on Mee and went to a back 5.
Maybe that was a mistake but I can understand the switch to take Bryan out when he’d spent most of the second half playing in defence.
We can argue forever about why we haven’t bought more FBs but the reality is that we haven’t and neither of our second choices were available (Sepp looked more comfortable at RB so him playing at LB is very much third choice- Ajer has looked reasonable at LB but is much more experienced and had a full preseason converting to it).
Roerslev has probably had his equivalent of Mads Bech’s game away at Everton and established that he isn’t up to it. But he was also the provider of the cross that very nearly put us 2-1 up.
We should hopefully have quite a few players returning soon. Surely Henry and Ajer can’t be too far off now, plus Thiago and Nunes. A fan I know irl posted on fb he was chatting to Hickey and contrary to reports he said he’d be back in January.
As one of TF’s predecessors said, keep the faith.
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Of course it isn't but can you imagine that Man U would have maintained an interest if they hadn't already made an appointment. I love Thomas and don't want him going anywhere but even his biggest supporter would have to say that he didn't get things right last night
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That's the rub.....you conclude that for 96 mins our approach worked when it was anything but that.
We could've been 3 down before Vitaly's stunner and even when that knocked them out of their stride we didn't really stir and carried on much as before.....very little connection between the lines, loose passing, etc.
Then the second half onslaught of attack v defence in our half with us treating the ball like a hot potato and just giving it back to them without meaningful possession to take the sting out of their offensive play.
Of course if the rearguard action had worked and the subs had helped keep a clean sheet, you'd get the usual suspects on here putting up a picture of TF with 'Masterclass' written underneath it.
It was a rambling incoherent performance and let's just call it that and move on.
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Let’s hope not but sadly teams who want him will know what he’s done for many years and not change their mind after one bad game
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