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Untouchable said:
This was the one thing for me where we didn’t react to Spurs quickly enough.

Early on, Valdimarsson played a long ball which nearly had Schade through. This appeared to be enough to panic Ange to abandon the high line and go for the low block. We didn’t seem to respond to this tactically and persisted with the long ball which wasn’t working.
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Considering how tactically rigid Ange have been, I really can't blame for not having a instant plan B for when they stopped playing as they usually do ... but yeah
 

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My concern is that TF looks at games like today and thinks that his work is done….. we are now an established mid table team which is a phenomenal achievement but it really feels like that this is our ceiling. He might think the opportunity to kick on in his career lies elsewhere.
 

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Twickenhamben said:
My concern is that TF looks at games like today and thinks that his work is done….. we are now an established mid table team which is a phenomenal achievement but it really feels like that this is our ceiling. He might think the opportunity to kick on in his career lies elsewhere.
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Why would we accept that as our ceiling when Bournemouth are pushing for the Champions League with the lowest average attendance in the top two divisions? Just got to keep "adding layers" as TF says.
 

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Twickenhamben said:
My concern is that TF looks at games like today and thinks that his work is done….. we are now an established mid table team which is a phenomenal achievement but it really feels like that this is our ceiling. He might think the opportunity to kick on in his career lies elsewhere.
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Why would you think that ?
He constantly talks about the aspiration to build layers and continuously improve.
Never a word about ’ceilings’.
 

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cheshirebee said:
Why would you think that ?
He constantly talks about the aspiration to build layers and continuously improve.
Never a word about ’ceilings’.
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He’s also clearly an ambitious guy and it’s interesting that his media profile has grown significantly in the past 6 months. I just wonder whether he thinks he’s taken us to a great mid table position but might see the enticement of moving to a “bigger” club.
 

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Twickenhamben said:
He’s also clearly an ambitious guy and it’s interesting that his media profile has grown significantly in the past 6 months. I just wonder whether he thinks he’s taken us to a great mid table position but might see the enticement of moving to a “bigger” club.
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Sure he’s earned the right to be ambitious. I’m not sure his personal ambition and our potential to go further as a club are mutually exclusive. Ie. He could move to a Top 6 club but that wouldn’t mean we have reached our ceiling.
 

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It’s unusual for TF to appear post-match in a plain top without a Brentford badge.
 

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I know everybody will jump on me from a great height, enquire about the dampness of my sheets etc, but I think recently Thomas’s cloak of protection from criticism is wearing a bit thin.

Reflecting on yesterday he came up really short, and for the first time doubts have crept in for me regarding if he is coming close to his Bees shelf life.

I still love him, obviously, but maybe he does need a fresh challenge to re-energise himself.
 

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A Real Mysteron said:
Reflecting on yesterday he came up really short, and for the first time doubts have crept in for me regarding if he is coming close to his Bees shelf life.
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We thought he was far too slow to make tactical and personnel changes; at 45 minutes it was screaming out for more speed of movement and thought, we’d run out of ideas as Spurs changed to hold their lead. But I think he’ll learn from that rather than any terminal event.
 

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We still produced 2.06xG to their 0.86. Yesterday wasn't ideal but a number of players had off days and poor performances and the manager can't really to be to blame for that. Ange also opted for a different approach yesterday than he has all season and played a lot more defensively once they took the lead. Tottenham weren't great but it was a 'good away performance'.

Yesterday was frustrating, but give away a silly goal like we did and it can play out like that.
 

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jlove said:
We thought he was far too slow to make tactical and personnel changes; at 45 minutes it was screaming out for more speed of movement and thought, we’d run out of ideas as Spurs changed to hold their lead. But I think he’ll learn from that rather than any terminal event.
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Yep. I thought Thomas got it wrong from the start yesterday, irrespective of Ange going more conservative to get a first win in umpteen league games.
The squad available to him had a surfeit of midfielders, ideal for playing 3-5-2,
4-4-2 or variations of. I’ve never been a fan of having a front 3, unless it’s ‘drums and trumpets’ time in the last 10 minutes. I think it’s worked in one game this season where all 3 scored. Far better to keep one back to swap in for a final boost, rather than peter out gently when the malaise had set in.
 

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Invipai said:
We still produced 2.06xG to their 0.86. Yesterday wasn't ideal but a number of players had off days and poor performances and the manager can't really to be to blame for that. Ange also opted for a different approach yesterday than he has all season and played a lot more defensively once they took the lead. Tottenham weren't great but it was a 'good away performance'.

Yesterday was frustrating, but give away a silly goal like we did and it can play out like that.
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The number of soft goals Bees concede is a killer of hopes and dreams.
 

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A Real Mysteron said:
I know everybody will jump on me from a great height, enquire about the dampness of my sheets etc, but I think recently Thomas’s cloak of protection from criticism is wearing a bit thin.

Reflecting on yesterday he came up really short, and for the first time doubts have crept in for me regarding if he is coming close to his Bees shelf life.

I still love him, obviously, but maybe he does need a fresh challenge to re-energise himself.
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Whilst I wouldn't go as far as that I do think that his team selection and tactical approach to a severely weakened Spurs back line missing 4 of their 5 starters was a bit agricultural in nature.

Lots of hail mary crosses that they easily dealt with and the very regimented regime of long throw-ins, that ultimately slowed the game down and permitted a tired oppo team to recharge its batteries.

It's all from the same playbook and is looking very tired.
 

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A Real Mysteron said:
I know everybody will jump on me from a great height, enquire about the dampness of my sheets etc, but I think recently Thomas’s cloak of protection from criticism is wearing a bit thin.

Reflecting on yesterday he came up really short, and for the first time doubts have crept in for me regarding if he is coming close to his Bees shelf life.

I still love him, obviously, but maybe he does need a fresh challenge to re-energise himself.
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I did mention a while back ...Thomas needs to take his family away to some sunshine for a couple of weeks to recharge his batteries.,,the next two weks might well suit (even if he misses Wetspam) .....he's doing a great job, but after all, he's only human! :hat:
 

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Talking of TF taking a break.
As we've now got a couple of weeks off now, does anyone (on here) know if the players are going away anywhere for any warm weather training? Don't clubs normally disappear to sunnier climes for a few days in cases like this?
Or are ours 'just' getting a few days off?
 

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badgerbee said:
Talking of TF taking a break.
As we've now got a couple of weeks off now, does anyone (on here) know if the players are going away anywhere for any warm weather training? Don't clubs normally disappear to sunnier climes for a few days in cases like this?
Or are ours 'just' getting a few days off?
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normally dubai right?
 

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I've always been one who finds it hard to muster any criticism towards TF's way. But I do understand some of the frustration in our approach at times.

As much as a 4-3-3 utilises all of our attacking capabilities, it can become tiresome when we're lugging balls into the box with very little possibility of Wissa getting on the end of them.

At times I can feel like if we haven't scored after 20-25 minutes, it's unlikely we'll get more than 1.

However, when we had IT, our strength was bringing Yoanne on to change games later on. Similarly, wait till Igor's back. At the moment our way of changing a game is purely in the midfield area. Which can feel very predictable. Yes, at times I wonder whether Yarmo could be pushed even more, could we revert to two up top earlier when a 3 isn't working. Could we be more active in changing our approach in game, rather than reactive late on by which time the games is already slipping away

Having said that, we've been facing some real tough sides recently, sides that I don't feel you can outrightly say we are better than.
 

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The coaching on this tactic of breaking the press with quick, one-touch short passes around our own area is superb. It's pure ole stuff, and it seems to be working an absolute treat.

When we see rushed buildup from other teams, we see mistakes, but I have absolute faith in our players. That comes down to the training ground, imo, and the work put in to ensure the players have absolute faith in their own abilities and those of the players around them.

I love the belief that Thomas gives to our players.

Yes, we play a very xG aware attacking game, but our defensive build up is so contrarian. I love it.
 

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Chelsea manager rumoured to be on the brink (again), so expect talk of Thomas being considered (again).

I can't see he'd be that daft on this occasion, but one of these days, it's going to happen.
 

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Hippobee said:
Chelsea manager rumoured to be on the brink (again), so expect talk of Thomas being considered (again).

I can't see he'd be that daft on this occasion, but one of these days, it's going to happen.
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Cannot see him going there ..
 

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Man Utd missed a trick not offering Thomas the job in my opinion. He’d get a tune out of that squad. Amorim is a very poor appt IMO and won’t stand the test of time.
 

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djheavens said:
Man Utd missed a trick not offering Thomas the job in my opinion. He’d get a tune out of that squad. Amorim is a very poor appt IMO and won’t stand the test of time.
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I think you underestimate how poor the squad is. Whoever is the manager they will require at least 2 or 3 years to put right, and I am not sure the club are willing to give the required time and money to any manager to achieve this. I think MU is rotten to the core, and appointing a new manager alone is not going to fix the issues they face. Whilst I am sure TF could do a good job, I can't see him getting the time or support to make a difference.
 

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Kingston Bee said:
I think you underestimate how poor the squad is. Whoever is the manager they will require at least 2 or 3 years to put right, and I am not sure the club are willing to give the required time and money to any manager to achieve this. I think MU is rotten to the core, and appointing a new manager alone is not going to fix the issues they face. Whilst I am sure TF could do a good job, I can't see him getting the time or support to make a difference.
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I guess what I mean is he’d do a better job than the current man in the hot seat. IMO.
 

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Kingston Bee said:
I think you underestimate how poor the squad is. Whoever is the manager they will require at least 2 or 3 years to put right, and I am not sure the club are willing to give the required time and money to any manager to achieve this. I think MU is rotten to the core, and appointing a new manager alone is not going to fix the issues they face. Whilst I am sure TF could do a good job, I can't see him getting the time or support to make a difference.
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Ten Haag winning an FA Cup was a minor miracle as it turns out. His reputation is repaired each passing week. But back to Thomas, no doubt he would get them better organised. Neville wouldn't shut up about it yesterday but he was right, the midfield was all over the shop
 

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Jago16 said:
Neville wouldn't shut up about it yesterday but he was right, the midfield was all over the shop
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He called yesterdays game "The Disappointment Derby" ?
 

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JANORAK said:
SSN referring to ‘injury-hit ManU’ this morning. I don’t recall us having that epithet at any time in the last 2 seasons!
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In spite of having our entire defence out injured! What was it, 10 first team players out? But we're mostly ignored by the media, although we get some good
comments in this clip:

www.bbc.co.uk

Final Score: How competitive is the Premier League?

Final Score's Jason Mohammad is joined by ex-England internationals Steph Houghton and Dion Dublin to discuss how competitive the Premier League is this year.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 

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stomalomalus said:
The coaching on this tactic of breaking the press with quick, one-touch short passes around our own area is superb. It's pure ole stuff, and it seems to be working an absolute treat.

When we see rushed buildup from other teams, we see mistakes, but I have absolute faith in our players. That comes down to the training ground, imo, and the work put in to ensure the players have absolute faith in their own abilities and those of the players around them.

I love the belief that Thomas gives to our players.

Yes, we play a very xG aware attacking game, but our defensive build up is so contrarian. I love it.
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I watched some of the Liverpool V Wolves game , considering Liverpool are " the best team in Europe " .I thought we play much more attractive football
 

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snowstormbee said:
In spite of having our entire defence out injured! What was it, 10 first team players out? But we're mostly ignored by the media, although we get some good
comments in this clip:

www.bbc.co.uk

Final Score: How competitive is the Premier League?

Final Score's Jason Mohammad is joined by ex-England internationals Steph Houghton and Dion Dublin to discuss how competitive the Premier League is this year.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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#clubslikebrentford :)
 

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Banana said:
ummmmmmmmmm
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An attractive club is o go to but it’s weighing up will he get the time? That I doubt. Few bad results and he’s instantly under pressure from a. Trigger happy board.
 

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djheavens said:
Man Utd missed a trick not offering Thomas the job in my opinion. He’d get a tune out of that squad. Amorim is a very poor appt IMO and won’t stand the test of time.
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Problem for them is that Amorim is tactically inflexible (you can't get away with that with difficult it is to get a tune out of that club, specially with their injury list), but even more so, his preferred (and due to the former, played) tactics doesn't really fit their player personnel.

Then again, I doubt that the best manager in the world could get much of a tune out of them, with how much of a mess the club is at ALL levels
 

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Sianist said:
Problem for them is that Amorim is tactically inflexible (you can't get away with that with difficult it is to get a tune out of that club, specially with their injury list), but even more so, his preferred (and due to the former, played) tactics doesn't really fit their player personnel.

Then again, I doubt that the best manager in the world could get much of a tune out of them, with how much of a mess the club is at ALL levels
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I think Amorim is trying to prove a point, to try and get some money in the summer. These players aren't fit for purpose, and if they want to get success with him in charge, they need to recruit!
 

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I think TFs pragmatism and positivity would be exactly what united would need in the short term to steady them through this rough patch, if I were ineos I wouldn't have chosen this moment to hire a super ideosyncratic and inflexible system-manager, but then hindsight is 20/20.

At the rate they're going they'll be making enquiries as to Sean dyches availability by April!
 
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Bumbling fool said:
I think TFs pragmatism and positivity would be exactly what united would need in the short term to steady them through this rough patch, if I were ineos I wouldn't have chosen this moment to hire a super ideosyncratic and inflexible system-manager, but then hindsight is 20/20.

At the rate they're going they'll be making enquiries as to Sean dyches availability by April!
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? you might be right
 

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Bumbling fool said:
I think TFs pragmatism and positivity would be exactly what united would need in the short term to steady them through this rough patch, if I were ineos I wouldn't have chosen this moment to hire a super ideosyncratic and inflexible system-manager, but then hindsight is 20/20.

At the rate they're going they'll be making enquiries as to Sean dyches availability by April!
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Behave. Big Sam’s waiting by his phone
 

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RAF_Patto said:
I think Amorim is trying to prove a point, to try and get some money in the summer. These players aren't fit for purpose, and if they want to get success with him in charge, they need to recruit!
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He'll be disappointed then! According to the papers, he's only getting around £20m to spend; should just about be enough for Bryan's right leg ?
Even more bad news for Amorin: Casemiro wants to stay at United. And for £300,000 a week, why wouldn't he ?
 

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RAF_Patto said:
I think Amorim is trying to prove a point, to try and get some money in the summer. These players aren't fit for purpose, and if they want to get success with him in charge, they need to recruit!
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Yes- and I can see why Man U wanted him. They have been basically ungovernable for a long time. So while a flexible manager like TF could probably for a while go with the grain of what their players’ qualities are, ultimately if any didn’t fancy the work of playing to orders they’d stop like they have done for many bigger managers.

So maybe they do need someone who can rigidly bin off everyone who is not willing and able to follow orders and for the club to tolerate poor league position and results while the squad is moulded into shape. The question is, do they have the patience we had with TF?
 
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