Thoughts for OUR future

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Thoughts for OUR future

I tried to post thsi earlier, but couldnt, so here goes again
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In the light of the proposed merger between QPR and the Dons, is it not time to make a rational and cold hearted assessment of the future of BFC? In my opinion if this proposed deal goes ahead then I am in no doubt it will be the death knell of our club. Why?

For the very reason that, despite what I would want and contrary to what my heart believes, we are not a stand-alone viable entity any longer. BFC, as is, is heading in one direction – non-league oblivion. Without a miracle occurring (or the Vinny rumours being true) then we are dead. Plain and simple.

I have thought for a while now that our only future is to merge with another club and the two most obvious candidates are doing it by themselves!! If they do, AND build a new ‘West London Stadium’ then we are well and truly dead and buried.

This is not a knee jerk, irrational thought, but one that is based on ‘commercial viability’ rather than ‘emotive thought’. We simply could not prosper and survive in the circumstances that would result in the aftermath of the merged club.

The fact is, we are struggling to attract fans at the moment, due to years of terminal decline and under investment, followed by what has quite clearly been a rash spending policy of the present incumbent of the Chairman’s post. RN has simply killed off any hope we had of surviving well into the 21st century with his behaviour. Despite what we think of it (and I for one detest him and what has happened) this is reality. We must face the truth and do what we can.

I have spoken to numerous people about this and it scares me that people that I would consider to be loyal and ardent followers seem prepared to “roll over and die” with a clear feeling of apathy to the current plight of our club. The time has come to take a stand and face the music. Our actions will dictate if there is a club in as short a time as three years (in my opinion) and in the future for our children and their children. If we take no action then we are as good as finished.

But we need to ensure that whatever actions we take are for the benefit of BFC, our club, and not other factions that would love to pick the bones of the carcass. If, as I would like, RN leaves and yet retains the rights to GP then we would be paying him rent every year. Result = no club in a short space of time. If RN ‘sells’ to a holding company where he has connections, it is the same scenario. The only way to survive therefore would be to own the ground and get him out. (But what hope is there of this? Very little in my opinion).

Even if we do, then what? I do not have a few million lying around and I doubt the regular contributors here do either. So then what? Who will back a fans forum commercially with a club that has a shrinking fan base and by that stage a team with no assets? Very few indeed, if any.

So therefore what do we do? In my opinion, a merger is the only way that we can survive. Fulham and Chelsea are in the premiership. They will take all the floating fans for the foreseeable future. Then we have the new merged side, playing in our catchment area, with a modern stadium, far better equipped than us and adding to the demise of our club. Without joining in the/a merger I believe we will die.

I wish it was different but I do not see any other viable alternatives. Perhaps there are, if so then I will add my vociferous support to them in the hope that a BFC of the future will give someone else 20+ years of joy and heartache like it has me. Before mentioning the Bournemouth’s of this world, put it all in perspective. What premiership clubs do they have within a five-mile radius? What is the likelihood of them facing competition from another club within twenty miles (for us 10+) of the ground? Of those imaginary clubs, how many have chairman throwing money at them? Etc etc.

Sorry to sound pessimistic, and trust me I am normally of the ‘half full’ mentality but I am struggling to see other viable alternatives.

I will be there tonight and for as long as we have a BFC, no apathy from me – I will be one of the loudest at any protest and one of the most ardent supporters of any policy I view as for the best of the club.

Come on you Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds!
 

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You say that "without joining in the/a merger we die".

In my opinion if we do join in this or any other merger we die.

I doubt the merger will happen anyway as Wimbledon have pledged to consult their fans and they will only have one opionion on that. What benefit is there to us or any other West London club in merging anyway. Groundsharing yes I can fully understand that but merging...........where does that get anybody. Wimbledon have very little in the way of assets to bring to the party, they dont own their own ground and with the new transfer rules who knows how much the players are worth. By merging with QPR all they are doing is committing themselves to instant relegation to Division 2. QPR similarly have nothing to gain by merging with a club who have no ground. It means they still cant sell Loftus Rd to clear the massive debts so what is the point.

I agree with you entirely that we cannot go it alone in terms of future survival but the way I see it all that is needed is a groundshare. If the merge does go ahead (unlikely) perhaps we could share Feltham with the merged club. We might come out of that well as supporters of both QPR and Wimbledon may not want to support the merged club. If the merge doesnt go ahead then perhaps it is not as rosy for us as it maybe seems more likely that QPR and Wimbledon will instead get together for a groundshare at Loftus Rd leaving us out in the cold.

Anyway it seems as though a city consortium is likely to bid for QPR and Wasps so maybe our best hope is to try to entice Wimbledon to share Feltham with us.

NO TO MERGERS, YES TO GROUNDSHARES.

NO TO WOKING

DOWNES OUT

NOADES OUT
 

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If this is truly to be a fan owned club then the fans have to do more. Yes it is great to turn up and that in itself is a great commitment. Our mob on the Ealing road had a great time last night and we brought down two more first timers but these bits and pieces will not save us.

I have been thinking of ways and save a lotery win it looks bleak. However, as a long shot, what if 3000 fans all lent Brentford or the fans trust £1000 each? That is an instant £3mil. Now if people wanted to turn this to a gift this is up to them but an open ended loan maybe the way to go.

There are obviously people who can/will not do this but I have always got the impression that there are some well heeled fans here who may be able to up the £1000 to whatever.

We need to do something and fast so could this be the way?
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by marksaggers:


I have been thinking of ways and save a lotery win it looks bleak. However, as a long shot, what if 3000 fans all lent Brentford or the fans trust £1000 each? That is an instant £3mil. Now if people wanted to turn this to a gift this is up to them but an open ended loan maybe the way to go.
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Well if that's the way forward then count me in for 1K but it has to be seen as a gift because I don't believe I'd ever get it back.
 

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Good points B2B.

Thinking with heads rather than hearts a merger may be our only means to prosper as a league club.

I've always been dead against this (and I expect to get crucified for voicing this) but I am seriously concerned about the clubs future. I can only see a radical change preventing the death of BFC as we know and love it.
 

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In fairness Roy, it is not just the future of BFC that looks somewhat bleak as it stands. There are lots of potential mergers just waiting to happen in football. All it will take is just one to be succesfull for the avalanche to begin. It is a sad fact, IMHO, that the footballing world can't continue to support 92 Viable professional clubs.
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Luton Bee:
In fairness Roy, it is not just the future of BFC that looks somewhat bleak as it stands. There are lots of potential mergers just waiting to happen in football. All it will take is just one to be succesfull for the avalanche to begin. It is a sad fact, IMHO, that the footballing world can't continue to support 92 Viable professional clubs.</font>

This is exactly what I am saying - we are not viable as a stand alone entity. I wish we were, but even with alternative revenus streams provided by a new stadium, I do not think it is enough.
 

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I believe that the reason why we are all so 'disappointed' is that when RN joined, the whole world knew that he'd won £20million in the Goldberg Lottery and we mistakenly though that he'd bring at least some of it in to BFC.

We also have not had an acceptance about a possible "mis-management" (an opinion Mr Noades). We had no debt before he arrived whereas now we have a £3m overdraft. Who ran this up on lavish away trips and gave the players their contracts, why pay himself a reported £170k per year as manager when so fabulously wealthy (x 3 years = 1/6th of our overdraft), who employed the coaches (x3), who got us a great squad of young players but didn't buy the final piece of the jigsaw (a la Butler or Benjamin), who doesn't realise that success will bring in crowds, who said he'd fund the club when all he's done is to run up a debt against our asset,didn't - Mr Noades, the questions can continue all day but they're all pointing TO YOU but you just cannot see it can you.

Martin Lange, buy the club and then allow Bees' United the opportunity to buy it from you within five years or then foreclose and re-coup your monies

GIVE US BACK OUR CLUB (by the way Mr Noades, this is all just my opinion okay !)
 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bee H:
I believe that the reason why we are all so 'disappointed' is that when RN joined, the whole world knew that he'd won £20million in the Goldberg Lottery and we mistakenly though that he'd bring at least some of it in to BFC.

We also have not had an acceptance about a possible "mis-management" (an opinion Mr Noades). We had no debt before he arrived whereas now we have a £3m overdraft. Who ran this up on lavish away trips and gave the players their contracts, why pay himself a reported £170k per year as manager when so fabulously wealthy (x 3 years = 1/6th of our overdraft), who employed the coaches (x3), who got us a great squad of young players but didn't buy the final piece of the jigsaw (a la Butler or Benjamin), who doesn't realise that success will bring in crowds, who said he'd fund the club when all he's done is to run up a debt against our asset,didn't - Mr Noades, the questions can continue all day but they're all pointing TO YOU but you just cannot see it can you.

Martin Lange, buy the club and then allow Bees' United the opportunity to buy it from you within five years or then foreclose and re-coup your monies

GIVE US BACK OUR CLUB (by the way Mr Noades, this is all just my opinion okay !)
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LOL - way forward mate
 

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I would rather watch BFC at Carville Hall Park in the Middlesex League than merge with anyone.
NO TO WOKING!!!!(How many more times?)!!
 
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