Tommy Black

[RoyalOakBee]

Do you ever get to interview Leroy mate? If possible could you suggest maybe a midfield general is whats lacking and how many players he intends to bring in before rectifying this area. Black is a good player and will hopefully add something but this is typical of Leroys lack of understanding how to put together a team in my opinion.

LR has had to do some tinkering to see Tommy Peanut is not strong enough and he really praised John Mousinho's performance on Saturday when I saw him talking to fans at the TG.
His problem now is having ousted the Peanut, Olli is having stinker after stinker and is nowhere near the player LR, Brentford or anyone else thought and hoped he would be. The back four is considered to be very strong despite what we all think (including me) and the blame for the 20 odd goals conceeded since September 1st is firmly being put on the lack of defending from the front ie., no hold up play, poor passing, frequently lost possession, heads down, lack of effort and pace chasing back, lack of bite in midfield as a whole and stupidly conceeded freekicks in dangerous areas subsequently poorly defended.
Also in the same time we have only scored 10 goals so LR is clearly backing his defence to come through and adding width, flair and crossing ability to his attack. If Tommy B signs and puts in ! decent cross it will be 1 more than Brooker, Peters, Rhodes, and Kuffour have done all season IMHO

 

[NorthamptonBee]

If Black comes and I hope he does he will do more in his month than Brooker has done all his BFC career. A Gareth Ainsworth type character who might be stuck on the wing but also wants to be involved in the game.

 

[RoyalOakBee]

So you are sure Black is coming?

can I be honest?

 

[Streetboy]

LR has had to do some tinkering to see Tommy Peanut is not strong enough and he really praised John Mousinho's performance on Saturday when I saw him talking to fans at the TG.
His problem now is having ousted the Peanut, Olli is having stinker after stinker and is nowhere near the player LR, Brentford or anyone else thought and hoped he would be.

I felt a bit sorry for Pinault. Before the Rotherham debacle, after which Leroy rightly made a point by dropping several senior players, Pinault was our best player for about the previous five to six weeks. He's not had a look in since, while Skulason, who's had about two decent games this season, goes unpunished. I'd see how Pinault and Mousinho work together while making Oli think about his recent performances on the bench. IMHO that is...

 

[Banana]

can I be honest?

Are you saying you haven't been before

 

[RoyalOakBee]

Are you saying you haven't been before

No I was saying you told me off for being too honest last time but here goes anyway...
I thought they might be going to look at two Kiwis and a Scandinavian on the FFC books, one is a holding midfielder and one is a centre forward who can hold the ball up.
LR has stated that he wants a winger as well so TB fits the bill but what is the point if you dont have anybody capable of getting on the end of his crosses?

 

[PJ]

really praised John Mousinho's performance on Saturday

I like Mousinho as he has some potential, likes a tackle and has bottle. But he wasnt at the races at Forest IMHO, every pass was sideways or backwards and it was perhaps his poorest performance to date

 

[maddogging]

I like Mousinho as he has some potential, likes a tackle and has bottle. But he wasnt at the races at Forest IMHO, every pass was sideways or backwards and it was perhaps his poorest performance to date

bizarre isn't it, I actually thought he was up there with Brooker as one of our better players, seemed to be covering a lot of grass, and generally trying to get involved, tough as it was, he was having to do a 2 man job on his own.

 

[jay1310]

I felt a bit sorry for Pinault. Before the Rotherham debacle, after which Leroy rightly made a point by dropping several senior players, Pinault was our best player for about the previous five to six weeks. He's not had a look in since, while Skulason, who's had about two decent games this season, goes unpunished. I'd see how Pinault and Mousinho work together while making Oli think about his recent performances on the bench. IMHO that is...

 

[North London Bee]

Actually for what it is worth (very little I suspect) I also feel that ON PAPER our back four and keeper are pretty good at this level and should keep the goals conceded down to a reasonable level - it is the 6 players in front of them that I worry about......

 

[rebus]

Actually for what it is worth (very little I suspect) I also feel that ON PAPER our back four and keeper are pretty good at this level and should keep the goals conceded down to a reasonable level - it is the 6 players in front of them that I worry about......

Yes, I agree. We are at least four players short to make an impact in this division.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Actually for what it is worth (very little I suspect) I also feel that ON PAPER our back four and keeper are pretty good at this level and should keep the goals conceded down to a reasonable level - it is the 6 players in front of them that I worry about......

Precisely. Nothing in the middle and little up front.

 

[unBEEliveable]

Still no news then......

 

[Gee Bee]

Actually for what it is worth (very little I suspect) I also feel that ON PAPER our back four and keeper are pretty good at this level and should keep the goals conceded down to a reasonable level - it is the 6 players in front of them that I worry about......

I also think our back 4 are good enough at the current level, but still feel they are contributing to the space being conceded to the opposition in the midfield area by defending too deep, thus the midfield having to cover more space than required to try and win 2nd balls. Also our hold up play is only as good as the service given to the forwards to hold the play up and on too many occassions the balls deleivered by defenders and keeper to our front men is very poor. How can they then be expected to hold the play up when the ball is flying yards waway from them and all they can do is chase the ball.
A couple of years back when we beat the drop, we had Fitz senior organizing the defence in such a way that the play was condensed, but he also had the nous to read the game and know when to drop off and sweep up behind. Imho he should be working closely with our defenders in pursuing the same successful outcome.

 

[TW3Bee]

I've just had a thought.

Can we sign him, even on loan, outside of the transfer window?

Presumably we can else we wouldn't be having this disscussion.

When is the deadline for signing a player before a game?

In the past I think we've signed players on the morning of a game and been able to play them, the rules for a cup game may be different, proberbly the day before.

 

[Gee Bee]

I've just had a thought.

Can we sign him, even on loan, outside of the transfer window?

Presumably we can else we wouldn't be having this disscussion.

When is the deadline for signing a player before a game?

In the past I think we've signed players on the morning of a game and been able to play them, the rules for a cup game may be different, proberbly the day before.

Considering the amount of loans that are occuring everywhere one would suspect that its's ok.
Think they can be registered upto 5pm the day before a game as permanent signing but loan deals can be up to 12 noon the day of the game.

 

[unBEEliveable]

does anyone in the "know" actually have any more info regarding this possible loan signing? (info other than who has which coaching badge and why or why not they are any good.)

 

[PJ]

does anyone in the "know" actually have any more info regarding this possible loan signing? (info other than who has which coaching badge and why or why not they are any good.)

Nana is probably holding a crisis cabinet meeting at GPG towers right now lol Could be a reshuffle on the cards

 

[Watford Bee]

Allen seemed to be able to find quick stop gap measures in that position in Lawrence and Lewis so im sure you can find them.

Most posters views are probably that these 2 didnt do too much for us along with the vast majority of other central midfielders we have had since Paul Evans left.

In the lower leagues where players have so little time on the ball, midfield generals are hard to find. Those playing the holding role are seldom appreciated by fans, but much loved by managers and the creative players are few and far between. From what I've seen this season Skulasson, Pinault and even Mousinho are better players than we've been used to (except for Pratley's purple patch) but what they are not doing is bossing midfield. One reason for this has to be the lack of an outlet. Here I blame Brooker who always takes up positions in space but seems to make sure that there are always 2 opponents between him and the ball making a pass almost impossible.

Getting back to the thread, if Black can become the outlet for the central midfielders we could start getting the season back on track.

 

[Edmundo]

You are desperately searching for votes and I have not even joined BU yet let alone stand for your role!!

As you are such a long-standing Brentford supporter, I find this very disappointing. We can all have our opinions on the merits of the people running BU, but surely you should support the principles behind BU and at least a meagre £15 a year. Whyever not?

 

[gary4bees]

As you are such a long-standing Brentford supporter, I find this very disappointing. We can all have our opinions on the merits of the people running BU, but surely you should support the principles behind BU and at least a meagre £15 a year. Whyever not?

More money for some prat who is bored of his job,and thinks ,why dont i apply for a job with bu,i get much more money and do **** all

 

[rebus]

More money for some prat who is bored of his job,and thinks ,why dont i apply for a job with bu,i get much more money and do fu*k all

There aren't any paid positions in Bees United. :scratch:

 

[unBEEliveable]

I must be in the wrong thread here I keep checking the new threads for some news on signing Black very confusing title.....

can we change it to "my coaching badge was hard to get, no it wasnt, so my opinion is worth more, no it isn't, BU is a load of rubbish, no it isn't, everybody insult each other here thread"

 

[Simon C]

I must be in the wrong thread here I keep checking the new threads for some news on signing Black very confusing title.....

can we change it to "my coaching badge was hard to get, no it wasnt, so my opinion is worth more, no it isn't, BU is a load of rubbish, no it isn't, everybody insult each other here thread"

Stick to topic on this one from now on or I'll start cutting down anything on this thread that isn't about Tommy Black.

This includes you mark(I shoud know better)bfc.

 

[gary4bees]

There aren't any paid positions in Bees United. :scratch:

There is when they do something lol

 

[Banana]

Stick to topic on this one from now on or I'll start cutting down anything on this thread that isn't about Tommy Black.

This includes you mark(I shoud know better)bfc.

I've moved the coaching topic to a new thread.

 

[Simon C]

Woo hoo, I'm dodging work left, right and centre today.

 

[TW1Bee]

If this is true then.......

****ING GREAT NEWS.

Hopefully Leroy can get the bets out of him !



Bees are going up lol

In that case I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. the last thing we need is an irresponsible gambler in the squad !!

 

[RoyalOakBee]

In that case I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. the last thing we need is an irresponsible gambler in the squad !!

Latest from TG re Tommy Black was that he did NOT play on Tues
He certainly did not train with BFC this afternoon!
Also few players if any appear to have read the Mirror story as it brought quite a few chuckles when revealed at the end of the session.

 

[Nick Hester]

Precisely. Plenty in the middle and little up front.

You know my wife then?

 

[Brickie Chap]

There aren't any paid positions in Bees United. :scratch:

So what would you call Cup Final tickets then...surely thats a form of payment...or is Joe Bourke more deserving than other Brentford fans...

 

[Brickie Chap]

There aren't any paid positions in Bees United. :scratch:

As you well know Mark, both SC and JM received payment for their BU positions

Has anyone decided if BB has 'earnt' via Primetimers for his hard work? What about Chris Gammon?

I'm sorry but in this writers opinion, certain people have and continue to be 'paid' for their involvement with BU

 

[RoyalOakBee]

does anyone in the "know" actually have any more info regarding this possible loan signing? (info other than who has which coaching badge and why or why not they are any good.)

I cant claim to be in the know on this one but one would assume that if Tommy Black did not play Tues LR/JG would wait until they have seen him fit and in action before spending the cash so too speak.
If however they were willing to trust JG contacts at Palace then presumably TB would still need to pass a fitness Test / medical before contracts are exchanged. with that in mind and the absence of JG from this afternoon's training session perhaps one could summise that was what was happening??

He definately did not train today and I will be at training tomorrow morning so if he or anybody else appears no doubt I or another TG regular will add it to the GPG soon after.

Ben B is still with us by the way and I hope we keep him on as if he can reach full fitness soon (probably needs the security of a contract and two more weeks) KOC could play centre midfield alongside Mousinho or Olli and that might not be a bad thing.

 

[cheekybee74]

Sorry, who is Ben B?

 

[RoyalOakBee]

Sorry, who is Ben B?

the Yank

 

[Banana]

Clubcall http://www.clubcall.com/index.jsp?storyID=299030


Bees boss admits Black interest EXCLUSIVE
2006-11-09 17:14

Brentford manager Leroy Rosenior has told clubcall he has been scouting Crystal Palace winger Tommy Black, but admits a loan deal is far from sealed.
The 26-year-old has yet to make a single Championship appearance under Eagles boss Peter Taylor, and has just one substitute appearance in the Carling Cup to his credit this term.

Black has been linked with a loan move to Griffin Park in recent days, and Rosenior has confirmed such a swoop is potentially on the cards:
"I'm not usually one to let the cat out of the bag, but Tommy is one that we have been to watch this week.

"We''ve been keeping an eye on numerous players, and he's one we've been looking at.

"We're trying to bring players in. There's nothing happening with Tommy at the moment, so we'll just have to wait and see."

Please note that they have the story exclusively and that if you have read it here or in the Chronicle - you couldn't have done.

 

[flowerpower bee]

the Yank

well that's cleared that up then!

 

[RoyalOakBee]

Sorry mate. we have had a trialist called Ben (a yank) at the TG since the open day and there was some discussion on this point earlier (with photos)
Other trialists have come and gone but Ben has had two weeks and has looked the part IMHO so I hope we sign him. Apparently that decision will be made sooner rather than later.

 

[North London Bee]

Sounds as if this whole thread is a lot of fuss over nothing....

I hope, of course that I will be proved wrong and TB steps out onto the pitch at GP on Saturday but I now somehow doubt it.

 

[maddogging]

Sounds as if this whole thread is a lot of fuss over nothing....

I hope, of course that I will be proved wrong and TB steps out onto the pitch at GP on Saturday but I now somehow doubt it.

Probably more chance of him doing so, but in the red and white hoops of donny.

 

[lincolnbee]

another rumour is that he is off to see MA at mkdonuts !

 

[Banana]

I spoke to Les this evening and he confirmed that he has no idea what's going on.

Sorry to everyone. We are only as good as the information we get

 

[Russell]

I spoke to Les this evening and he confirmed that he has no idea what's going on.

Sorry to everyone. We are only as good as the information we get

A good journo will always second source his story before going to press. Has someone bin talking lessons from Larry Signy?

Oh the utter embarrassment of it all

 

[Banana]

I was also told by a senior management type at the club that he had deliberately sabotaged the deal JUST to prove the GPG incorrect. :shrug:

 

[Russell]

I was also told by a senior management type at the club that he had deliberately sabotaged the deal JUST to prove the GPG incorrect. :shrug:

Sounds like the sort of cheap trick a previous BFC manager used to employ. On an unconnected topic, whatever happened to Jamie Cureton?

 

[The H]

if TB didn't play in a reserve game this week he wouldn't be a Bees player whilst injured...

maybe next week eh...

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I spoke to Les this evening and he confirmed that he has no idea what's going on.

Sorry to everyone. We are only as good as the information we get

rofl Les never had any idea what was going on though did he?

 

[unBEEliveable]

so as it stands the only thing we know is that we know nothing! There knowns that we know and un-knowns that we know and there un-knowns that we dont know and knowns that we dont know we dont know. Now that he is out of a job is Don Rumsfeld supplying intelligence the GPG? lol

 

[super_bees]

so as it stands the only thing we know is that we know nothing! There knowns that we know and un-knowns that we know and there un-knowns that we dont know and knowns that we dont know we dont know. Now that he is out of a job is Don Rumsfeld supplying intelligence the GPG? lol

lol

 

[Simon C]

so as it stands the only thing we know is that we know nothing! There knowns that we know and un-knowns that we know and there un-knowns that we dont know and knowns that we dont know we dont know. Now that he is out of a job is Don Rumsfeld supplying intelligence the GPG? lol

Nope, we know Leroy is interested in him but that he wants to see him play in a reserve team game first to see how his fitness is. There was a reserve game at Palace this week but he didn't feature so it's a case of waiting now (and hoping no one else jumps ahead of us).