Tranmere Reports

[Northern_Bee]

Not a great performance from the side but considering my last game was Exeter away (which was dire), this was somewhat of an improvement!!
The worry for me is that the side whilst it looked more balanced lacked any creativity in the middle of the park. Bostock went looking for the ball and tried to liven it up however it left a gaping hole where he should have been playing. Our problem is that we are playing 2 defensive midfielders in the middle of the park. I know Bean isn't supposed to be but today he played like it and they were both well off the pace. Credit where it is due, the Tranmere goal was very well worked and was the bright spot (for them) in an otherwise dire game. To bring on Cort and Hunt with a matter of minutes to go was a waste. Our front 2 were bullied off the ball and Goodison (although a cheating £$%!) did his job perfectly well. We really needed to make some changes with 10-15mins to go and personally I would have bought Bennett on at the back for either Charlie or Strevens and put Legge up front to bully them back and stop Goodison running the show. This is the first time that I have seen the new loanees and I was impressed with Bostock and his running/creativity however he needs to learn to make an easy pass every so often but at 17 he looks a top prospect. The keeper (won't even try to spell his name) commanded his area and bought confidence to his defence and Pim looked quite solid. Murphy when he came on didn't seem to like being roughed up and was spoiling for a fight. Overall a huge improvement on the last performance that I saw but still not good enough to keep us in this division, a creative midfielder is a must in January and I fear for us against Leeds if we play next week like we did today!

 

[JTofBFC]

If you are a bad team you are very likely to get relegated, if you are a reasonable team that is not winning enough matches at the moment(especially away from home) you have a much better chance of staying up. On the basis of our season so far I think we are the latter.

What if you are reasonable at home and bad away?

Over the course of a season, a team will usually get the results it deserves. If the results are bad enough to put you in the bottom 4 then you are more of a bad team than a reasonable team.

Momentum is important and at the moment we have very little . Aside from an occasional good performance (eg Colchester) we have a very weak underbelly.

Perhaps you might like to consider that 5 of our next 7 league matches are away from home and the two home ones are against Leeds and Charlton.

Personally, unless Father Christmas brings us a decent central midfielder in the January sales, I'd expect us to be in the bottom 4 by the end of January.

What then??

 

[DavidgRushden]

Another great couple of lines, but as always, it seems, short on actual argument! At least everyone else who is disagreeing with me is explaining why.

Oh dear.Handbags at dawn syndrome

 

[marlowbee]

Waiting for the excuses again, but two goals in 9 games tells its own story.

5 Goals in total away from home, lowest in the league, with stats like this you know when we go behind we are unlikely to make a fight of it defeats to Wycombe and Tranmere do not bode well, Wycombe have now won 3 out of four and we cant match these figures, as I have said before we need to average 1.1 points per game, and unless we start to do something we will be right in the sh1t

 

[JimLevack]

Central midfield is the problem...Bean and O'Connor both decent players but the combination doesn't work.
O'Connor will break things up and make the simple pass really well.
Bean has a decent engine and the experience we need.
But neither are capable of playing a defence splitting pass, getting a ball round the back of defenders or, importantly, testing the keeper from range.
No shots on target tells its own story.
We have strikers and we have wingers but unless you have people who can supply the ammunition for those two groups you can have Drogba up there and he won't find the net.

 

[GrahamSmith84]

Dont see the point in playing hoofball to Charlie and Strevens who won nothing all game. We were shocking.

 

[ninebelowzero]

Like I said in the other match reports, On tuesday when we beat Colchester I could hear the E I E I E I O Promotion song, and now after a 1-0 Loss to Tranmere were supposdely going to finish bottom. Some Brentford fans need to make there mind up. Moving on to my opinion, I think unless our away form and our form against teams around us improves, we will be going down. Scott annoys me with his lack of subs and even when they are made they are made with 2 minutes left, whats the point? 2 New Centre Mid's with Kev playing RB please. Oh yeah, and by the way, a proven goalscorer as we pretty much hardly ever score anymore.

 

[JTofBFC]

No shots on target tells its own story.

According to the official site, Scotty once again seems more bothered about the fact we have conceded ONE goal than the fact we haven't had a single shot which he didn't even mention.

http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/page/LatestNews/0,,10421~1896691,00.html

The reports on here from those at the game seem to all suggest it was a well worked goal but he is again blaming individuals for conceding it.

He has actually named O'Connor in this regard when it might have been more relevant for him to have named and shamed both O'Connor and Bean for not creating a single opportunity !!!

I give up.

I want Scott to remain manager of the club but he seems to be losing the plot.

 

[sussexb]

Another great couple of lines, but as always, it seems, short on actual argument! At least everyone else who is disagreeing with me is explaining why.

Because the argument's already been made countless times.

Anyway, I admire your positivity, but I don't agree with you on this. We are not looking good, I think AS is making mistakes, and at the moment we're half way through a season and not far off the bottom four. That is my perspective based on the season as a whole, not just today.

As worrying as the results is the number of bad performances vs. the number of good ones. There's a lot of anger out there, especially amongst the diehards who always go to away games, and I can see why.

 

[blunstone]

Left on Tuesday feeling that even if we'd lost the performance was good and something to build on.
Know you can't always trust stats but to have no shots on goal is, frankly, embarrassing.
IMO the strikers are not to blame.
Bean and O'Connor are both decent players at this level but are too similar and prefer sitting and holding.
We lack any kind of craft in the middle, someone to pull the strings like a fit Gary Smith.
As a former striker I'm sure Andy can see what the problem is but playmaking central midfielders with guile are not that easy to come by.
If I was on that coach and had played up front I'd be asking myself why their keeper had nothing to do all afternoon...and would probably be blaming it on the service I'd got.
As Andy says a good side is a consistent side and vice versa - so by his own reckoning that means we are not good at the moment.
That said Tuesday night showed we're not far away and just need that bit of creativity to get things moving.

very good post ---- we do need a central playmaker who has the ability to open up the opposition with a telling through ball. no point though in playing an out and out creative player (an allan cockram type) who hasn't any strength and won't or cannot do any defending.

easier said than found.

 

[Sweepy]

According to the official site, Scotty once again seems more bothered about the fact we have conceded ONE goal than the fact we haven't had a single shot which he didn't even mention.

http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/page/LatestNews/0,,10421~1896691,00.html

The reports on here from those at the game seem to all suggest it was a well worked goal but he is again blaming individuals for conceding it.

He has actually named O'Connor in this regard when it might have been more relevant for him to have named and shamed both O'Connor and Bean for not creating a single opportunity !!!

I give up.

I want Scott to remain manager of the club but he seems to be losing the plot.

There seems to be certain players who don't get criticised. Personally, I would rather none were in public, and the general "some players will go if things don't get better" comment would have sufficed.

I'm with you on wanting Scott to remain as manager. A long-term manager at last is something this club badly needs. And we've seen Scott make mistakes and bad signings and put it right. We've stepped up a level and he's probably capable of repeating the cycle. At the moment, I feel that our failure to kick on after last season is a missed opportunity to make an impact at this level.

We've seen good goal-poachers come and go over the past year, and our lack of goals (and our ex-forwards scoring left, right and centre elsewhere) is rubbing our faces in it a bit. I still feel that if we get the right personnel, we'll be alright.

 

[seanrs]

very good post ---- we do need a central playmaker who has the ability to open up the opposition with a telling through ball. no point though in playing an out and out creative player (an allan cockram type) who hasn't any strength and won't or cannot do any defending.

easier said than found.

What about Bostock in that role maybe?

 

[griffinbo]

There seems to be certain players who don't get criticised. Personally, I would rather none were in public, and the general "some players will go if things don't get better" comment would have sufficed.

I'm with you on wanting Scott to remain as manager. A long-term manager at last is something this club badly needs. And we've seen Scott make mistakes and bad signings and put it right. We've stepped up a level and he's probably capable of repeating the cycle. At the moment, I feel that our failure to kick on after last season is a missed opportunity to make an impact at this level.

We've seen good goal-poachers come and go over the past year, and our lack of goals (and our ex-forwards scoring left, right and centre elsewhere) is rubbing our faces in it a bit. I still feel that if we get the right personnel, we'll be alright.

Things could look very different in January if the loan players return to there clubs and Dickson is sold we could be without
The Asrenal Keeper
Pim
Wilson
Bostock
Dickson

With AS lack of Man managemet ca,t imagine the will want to stay for a pooe manager in a relegation dog fight

And on another point why is Wilson on the bench he been one of the best players when played in his correct position at CB

 

[maddogging]

Things could look very different in January if the loan players return to there clubs and Dickson is sold we could be without
The Asrenal Keeper
Pim
Wilson
Bostock
Dickson

With AS lack of Man managemet ca,t imagine the will want to stay for a pooe manager in a relegation dog fight

And on another point why is Wilson on the bench he been one of the best players when played in his correct position at CB

Doesn't sound like any complaints today regarding Legge and Pims performance....so far....so I see no reason why playing Wilson would make any difference...our problems exist with the 6 ahead of them.

 

[IslandBee]

Because the argument's already been made countless times.

Anyway, I admire your positivity, but I don't agree with you on this. We are not looking good, I think AS is making mistakes, and at the moment we're half way through a season and not far off the bottom four. That is my perspective based on the season as a whole, not just today.

As worrying as the results is the number of bad performances vs. the number of good ones. There's a lot of anger out there, especially amongst the diehards who always go to away games, and I can see why.

As has the counter-argument - small club, small budget, low crowds, best league one that most people can remember, inexperienced but promising manager etc.etc etc..
Where do people honestly expect us to be? I am not 'positive', I am realistic -I would be happy with mid/low table this year and I think on the basis of what we have seen so far we can do this. A 1-0 defeat to an improving Tranmere side four days after an excellent performance against a top three side doesn't change my mind on this.

 

[celtickat]

Lets be honest AS needs to take blame again today.He makes some piss poor decisions.Cant do anything in midfield,cant score goals.Big trouble what with Leeds comin to town nxt wk.Tough Christmas for Bees fans

 

[shouldbee]

5 Goals in total away from home, lowest in the league, with stats like this you know when we go behind we are unlikely to make a fight of it defeats to Wycombe and Tranmere do not bode well, Wycombe have now won 3 out of four and we cant match these figures, as I have said before we need to average 1.1 points per game, and unless we start to do something we will be right in the sh1t

"5 Goals in total away from home, lowest in the league".....it's all well and good AS saying he's disappointed that we conceded a simple goal and he couldn't believe an experienced player ( KOC) didn't anticipate it......well I'de be more concerned that you could count on the fingers of one hand the number of forward passes KOC has made this season.

Considering we have flair players like Saunders, Bostock & Dickson, AS has produced a dull, negative team, and he aslo needs a lesson on how to use substitutes.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Why bother with the form over 9 games? If you're going to leave out the win, why not just use the last 4 games to give more weight to your argument?

because 3 of the last 4 games have been at home, and because we haven't won away from home since the opening day of the season.

 

[letsallgotolourdes]

Here's my two pennorth!

Personally think the problems started with Andy Scott's pursuit to the ends of the earth, (well o.k. cork) to try and sign Alan Bennett , (he'd have been better off trying to sign the playwright version). I think this has undermined his confidence as a manager, as what was expected to be his ace card has frankly turned out to be a bit of a joker. Never mind a creative midfielder We are sorely lacking some steel in midfield a la Terry Hurlock, KOC nice bloke but what the F*** is he still doing in the squad let alone the team and frankly bean, wood and hunt probably found their right level in league 2. To use an old hippy phrase, if AS can get his head together I think we'll be alright, although two things worry me, we have lost games to some piss poor teams, without any real fight and AS's continued slagging off of individual players, which is horribly reminiscent of Scott Fitzgerald's time in charge.

 

[sussexb]

As has the counter-argument - small club, small budget, low crowds, best league one that most people can remember, inexperienced but promising manager etc.etc etc..
Where do people honestly expect us to be? I am not 'positive', I am realistic -I would be happy with mid/low table this year and I think on the basis of what we have seen so far we can do this. A 1-0 defeat to an improving Tranmere side four days after an excellent performance against a top three side doesn't change my mind on this.

Honestly, so would I. That's been my aim for the season from the beginning. And I'm not saying we WILL go down, just that if certain things aren't fixed we'll definitely be down there struggling.

Neither am I calling for AS to be sacked. But I find some of his decisions baffling, and criticising that is not some sort of crazed negativity - just my version of perspective.

Anyway...

 

[celtickat]

Letsallgotolourdes,you havnt a clue.AS great manager in sh*tty lge2,up against clever managers in lge 1 and hes lost,braindead.As regards losing games to piss poor teams honestly what does that make Brentford?KOC would be fine if he had a decent player beside him.Wilson on the bench with Legge ahead of him ha fukin ha,what a joke.As much as I disagreed with your views you are entitled just like us all and I'm sure like us all you just want us to be doing well.Its just tough right now but we'l keep the faith

 

[Chipper]

KOC nice bloke but what the F*** is he still doing in the squad let alone the team
Playing his heart out, doing the job of a defensive midfielder!
He's not a creative player but doesn't set out to be, he breaks up play & passes it to others to do their job.
Were you there today because if you were you weren't watching the same player as I was. He wasn't spectacular but did everything we wanted, hardly wasting a ball & being available when needed.
I'm not sure singling him out for the goal is fair, many didn't move for a well thoughout free kick that just caught us out.
Not commenting on the game other than it was disappointing but Tranmere played good football.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

I honestly don't know if AS is going to be our manager long term or not, but I have to say pretty much under his management this has not been a team that has looked like they have a lot of goals in them other than when we had Jordan Rhodes and Billy Clarke. I don't see the midfield being very creative as a unit.
The other thing that concerns me is AS saying that we can't expect to be near the top cos we're a small club. A manager should not be voicing that kind of 'realism'. Did Simon Grayson or Nigel Adkins or even Martin Allen think like that at their repsective small clubs? No, they relished the challenge of upsetting the big boys and they knew they could do it.

 

[letsallgotolourdes]

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Letsallgotolourdes,you havnt a clue.AS great manager in sh*tty lge2,up against clever managers in lge 1 and hes lost,braindead.As regards losing games to piss poor teams honestly what does that make Brentford?KOC would be fine if he had a decent player beside him.Wilson on the bench with Legge ahead of him ha fukin ha,what a joke.As much as I disagreed with your views you are entitled just like us all and I'm sure like us all you just want us to be doing well.Its just tough right now but we'l keep the faith

Not quite sure where your faith is, labelling the manager as brain dead and I like everyone else know what losing to piss poor teams makes Brentford.

 

[Infatuated Bees Alter Ego]

KOC nice bloke but what the F*** is he still doing in the squad let alone the team
Playing his heart out, doing the job of a defensive midfielder!
He's not a creative player but doesn't set out to be, he breaks up play & passes it to others to do their job.

He was almost my MOM last Tuesday against Colchester. You/We need a KO'C in the team. In my view he does a lot of good work. One bad mistake today maybe, but he doesn't usually make many. Don't agree with AS slatting or putting players down publically, whoever they are. Can't personally see what gain is made from it.
Maybe Bostock should be used (or tried out) as the central midfielder aggressor ?

 

[southey]

Letsallgotolourdes,you havnt a clue.AS great manager in sh*tty lge2,up against clever managers in lge 1 and hes lost,braindead.As regards losing games to piss poor teams honestly what does that make Brentford?KOC would be fine if he had a decent player beside him.Wilson on the bench with Legge ahead of him ha fukin ha,what a joke.As much as I disagreed with your views you are entitled just like us all and I'm sure like us all you just want us to be doing well.Its just tough right now but we'l keep the faith

Agree with that unfortunalty its not just Legge in front of Wilson there is Osborne and Bennet dont think we will se young Wlson in a bees shirt again ,AS has a strange view on Footballing ability ,we have to remember these young lads come to the Bees on Loan to get games if not why would they want to sit on the bench and if there not good enough why bring them in in the first place

 

[Bangor Bee]

First, let's get one thing right: We did have some efforts at goal, though possibly none on target! Bostock very nearly scored with an excellent free kick in the first half, and Charlie Mac came close to tucking one away in the second. Having said that, for the most part it was an uninspiring performance. The first half was even with few clear chances. Szczesny looked as good a goalkeeper as I've seen at this level, commanding his area well and getting out quickly on a couple of occasions. Whether he was at all at fault for their goal was hard to say from so far away, but basically our defenders were caught napping. They shouldn't have been. It was very clear from early on that Curran was a useful player who needed to be watched closely. Tranmere's no. 2, Logan, was also pretty good. For us it was a familiar story: no (and I mean zero) creativity from central midfield. KOC didn't even do well what he's meant to be good at, and gave the ball away needlessly on several occasions. Bean was a bit better, but distinctly average by Div 1 standards. Up front, Charlie Mac buzzed around and looked moderately dangerous, but Strevens was anonymous. Perhaps he has played better in other games, but on this form it's very hard to see how he's keeping Carl Cort out of the team. Predictably, Wood and Dickson combined to good effect down the left. Several times it looked as though they might fashion an opening, but in the end it always came to nothing. The right-hand side, however, is another problem. I can't really see how Danny Foster is an improvement on either Halls or Newton; in fact, he offers less going forward. Bostock clearly has a bright future, and occasionally threatened to produce something, but he is also raw and very left footed. It's not ideal for a right winger (but then, he isn't really a right winger, is he?). Legge did well again, and Pim B was reasonable. This was a disappointing result against a largely mediocre side, but there will be more until we do something to improve our threat going forward, and to my mind that means a new midfield.

 

[IslandBee]

Honestly, so would I. That's been my aim for the season from the beginning. And I'm not saying we WILL go down, just that if certain things aren't fixed we'll definitely be down there struggling.

Neither am I calling for AS to be sacked. But I find some of his decisions baffling, and criticising that is not some sort of crazed negativity - just my version of perspective.

Anyway...

Yep, happy to leave it there. It really wasn't your moderate and reasonable views I was arguing with anyway. It was ones like this:

'The fact is we're not good enough, plain and simple.
what I would like to know is why AS cannot see it, he picks the team, he tells them how to play, he has to take the blame for this pisspoor team.

 

[maddogging]

Agree with that unfortunalty its not just Legge in front of Wilson there is Osborne and Bennet dont think we will se young Wlson in a bees shirt again ,AS has a strange view on Footballing ability ,we have to remember these young lads come to the Bees on Loan to get games if not why would they want to sit on the bench and if there not good enough why bring them in in the first place

again, Legge and Pim seemed to have earnt the right to start, Wilson has been unlucky but I am sure he will get another chance, just up to him to take it.

 

[letsallgotolourdes]

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KOC nice bloke but what the F*** is he still doing in the squad let alone the team
Playing his heart out, doing the job of a defensive midfielder!
He's not a creative player but doesn't set out to be, he breaks up play & passes it to others to do their job.
Were you there today because if you were you weren't watching the same player as I was. He wasn't spectacular but did everything we wanted, hardly wasting a ball & being available when needed.
I'm not sure singling him out for the goal is fair, many didn't move for a well thoughout free kick that just caught us out.
Not commenting on the game other than it was disappointing but Tranmere played good football.

Look don't get me wrong, im not questioning KOC's committment, either in todays game or his whole career at Brentford, I just feel he's out of his depth and he's past his sell by date, you yourself admit he's not a creative midfielder, well he doesn't add any serious muscle to the midfield either, so it's time to forget sentiment and get rid!

 

[Bee in Leeds]

We were woeful today, I'm dreading next Saturday

 

[Northern_Bee]

Look don't get me wrong, im not questioning KOC's committment, either in todays game or his whole career at Brentford, I just feel he's out of his depth and he's past his sell by date, you yourself admit he's not a creative midfielder, well he doesn't add any serious muscle to the midfield either, so it's time to forget sentiment and get rid!

I somewhat agree with you on this however he is a utility player and can slot into a number of different positions at short notice. I wouldn't get rid of as he is a valuable squad player. if and when we build on the current squad, KOC should be a definate name on the bench. You cannot beat a calming experienced head coming off the bench amongst a team of youngsters.
Anyway, thats my 2 penneth on the matter as this discussion for another place!

 

[cheshire bee]

Here is a match report which I think this thread is designed to be ....

We were pretty poor today, it is my first match of the season and I was sitting with all the tranmere supporters in the directors box, only because my boss is very close to the chairman of the club, otherwise would have much preferred to be with the 240 away supporters.

Starting at the back, our goalie is class, he saved us from probably getting beat 3-0 with his positioning, catching and saves.
Central defenders again OK defensively but not commanding. Defense were caught out with the goal, a very well worked free kick which demonstrated the deference between the two, creativity.
Midfield, Bean has a very poor game,wood and bostock did OK. The tranmere fans thought Bostock looked dangerous, but I didnt think he got involved enough when it counted. Did a lot of work on the wing, but didnt create as much as we needed.
Up front, McDonald was the only one of the field who looked like they wanted to fight for the game. But played too deep making up for the Midfield inability to win the ball and pass it through to the attackers, but that left Strevens on his own. Didnt think he did too much.

As for the match, first half pretty non descript. We looked threatening from corners, but couldnt see us scoring any other way. Very few chances either side.
Second half not much better, AS left it too late with substitutions, Bostock moved to a more central role which I thought he would have done well and forced him to get involved more.
Foster's throws were a joke, there was no movement from anyone which didnt help, hunt came on very late and showed some urgency.
Sorry very little to report on the game, stats tell a poor story.
Tranmere Bees
4 Shots On Target 0
4 Shots Off Target 6
16 Fouls (Conceded) 15
2 Corners 3
3 Yellow Cards 1
0 Red Cards 0

MOM the goalie.

 

[mundee4england]

Didn't go today but it is very frustrating seemingly going from good solid performances like Tuesday to these terrible away days. We cannot keep losing to those around us if we want to stay out of trouble. A few points spring to mind:

- Really don't like the way AS keeps criticising players publically, this should be dealt with in house.
- Agree that Leege and Pim have played well but Wilson is the best defender at the club and should start.
- Agree with everyone that we need more creativity in CM, I am a big Bean fan and Kev is solid but currently they are not enough.
- Strevens is obviously Scotty's go to guy but Cort was getting better and better before he was dropped and chucking him on for 3 mins isn't going to get anything out of him. Away from home his link/hold up play may well be what we need to ease the pressure and involve the midfield in attacks.

The rollercoaster will continue next weekend, when strangely enough I think we will give them a game!

Learn and grow..... but we need to start doing both pretty quickly!

 

[southey]

again, Legge and Pim seemed to have earnt the right to start, Wilson has been unlucky but I am sure he will get another chance, just up to him to take it.

dont think he will get a chance only has a few games left on his loan and as you say the two CB are playing vey well

 

[southey]

Didn't go today but it is very frustrating seemingly going from good solid performances like Tuesday to these terrible away days. We cannot keep losing to those around us if we want to stay out of trouble. A few points spring to mind:

- Really don't like the way AS keeps criticising players publically, this should be dealt with in house.
- Agree that Leege and Pim have played well but Wilson is the best defender at the club and should start.
- Agree with everyone that we need more creativity in CM, I am a big Bean fan and Kev is solid but currently they are not enough.
- Strevens is obviously Scotty's go to guy but Cort was getting better and better before he was dropped and chucking him on for 3 mins isn't going to get anything out of him. Away from home his link/hold up play may well be what we need to ease the pressure and involve the midfield in attacks.

The rollercoaster will continue next weekend, when strangely enough I think we will give them a game!

Learn and grow..... but we need to start doing both pretty quickly!

AS dose not think Wilson is the best deffender at the club Obviosly or he would be playing

 

[blunstone]

maybe we need to find a way of playing three central midfielders - two holding players (koc and bean) plus a creative playmaker whoever he may be. as someone suggested, bostock until january?

problem is we then have to play with one less up front or wide. dunno!

 

[Jimbee]

because 3 of the last 4 games have been at home, and because we haven't won away from home since the opening day of the season.

If you're going to have a pop, at least make sure you know what you're talking about.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

If you're going to have a pop, at least make sure you know what you're talking about.

Okay, then, factor in the win if you like, not that we have played like that away from home since the opening day of the season. It's still a sh*te away record. And 2 goals scored in 9 away games is a statistic that deserves to be drawn attention to.

 

[GP200]

...............their crowd were silent until they scored......................the Bees held them comfortably for the first half.....................fell asleep for the goal.............most people in the crowd could see what the plan was at the free kick................Scott needed to use his subs straight away ,but dithered..............once again the home keeper wasn't tested..................very poor away form..............and again poor service for the strikers...............ah well ...................another poor awayday for me this season..............

 

[maddogging]

**** me, if you have done Yeovil, Exeter, Wycombe and now Tranmere away you deserve some kind of medal, maybe immunity from future away games....

 

[scruff puppy pup]

...............their crowd were silent until they scored......................the Bees held them comfortably for the first half.....................fell asleep for the goal.............most people in the crowd could see what the plan was at the free kick................Scott needed to use his subs straight away ,but dithered..............once again the home keeper wasn't tested..................very poor away form..............and again poor service for the strikers...............ah well ...................another poor awayday for me this season..............

I feel for you, mate.

 

[GP200]

**** me, if you have done Yeovil, Exeter, Wycombe and now Tranmere away you deserve some kind of medal, maybe immunity from future away games....

.............yep, I have witnessed some absolute sh*te so far,but hey thats part of it....................looking forward to Leeds and then MK Dongs.................

 

[wayfarer172]

What if you are reasonable at home and bad away?

Over the course of a season, a team will usually get the results it deserves. If the results are bad enough to put you in the bottom 4 then you are more of a bad team than a reasonable team.

Momentum is important and at the moment we have very little . Aside from an occasional good performance (eg Colchester) we have a very weak underbelly.

Perhaps you might like to consider that 5 of our next 7 league matches are away from home and the two home ones are against Leeds and Charlton.

Personally, unless Father Christmas brings us a decent central midfielder in the January sales, I'd expect us to be in the bottom 4 by the end of January.

What then??

We will be in the bottom 4 before xmas.

 

[wayfarer172]

I've been saying since his appointment that AS was the wrong choice as manager. I think in January there will be a mini turn around in the playing staff,, which means we are probably going to be stuck with him. Let's face it what experience of managment did he have? He wasn't even a Brentford legend as a player.The guy I wanted to replace Butcher were Daish at Ebbsleet. but he's doing poorly this season. Oh well Cant do much this side of xmas i suppose regarding new players. One thing he is good at though is making excuses, and blaming everybody and everything else on someone else.All I know is if he got sacked tomorrow I wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it.

 

[GP200]

I feel for you, mate.

.........trouble is thats there are lots of other Bees fans who have witnessed so much awayday sh*te,it will get better...............

 

[eyeseebee]

Just got home from watching the latest shambles, and i've been left scratching my head over a few issues today.

1) John Bostock is clearly a very good player. He is clearly left footed. So why does Scott insist on playing him out of position on the right? Surely Harry Redknapp has sent him out on loan to develop his game in his NATURAL position.

2) How can we really expect to score when we don't shoot or put balls into the box? Fact, I was there, and other than a Bostock free kick in the first half, and maybe one more scramble in their box in the second half, we created nothing. The team we played today have conceded 40 goals so far, and we so didn't look like scoring against them.

3) We needed to get something out of todays game. Leeds, MK, Gillingham and Charlton to come this month. Can see us losing all 4 of those to be honest. Then we will be in the bottom 4, so those saying we shouldn't panic are deluded in my opinion.

4) If Carl Cort is good enough to be on the bench, surely he is good enough to throw on for 25 mins when we're 1 down to the side at the bottom of the league. He had no chance to make a difference in the minimal time he was given.

5) If we play Bostock on the left wing, give Wood a rest, play Taylor on the right wing, and replace the hopeless Foster at right back with either Wilson, Karleigh, or even O'Connor if we want to give Hunt another chance, surely the balance will be better simply because players will be in their correct positions.

Sorry, rant over. It's been a long and expensive day, and I've seen very little, in fact nothing at all, in return.

 

[Infatuated Bees Alter Ego]

I've been saying since his appointment that AS was the wrong choice as manager. I think in January there will be a mini turn around in the playing staff,, which means we are probably going to be stuck with him. Let's face it what experience of managment did he have? He wasn't even a Brentford legend as a player.The guy I wanted to replace Butcher were Daish at Ebbsleet. but he's doing poorly this season. Oh well Cant do much this side of xmas i suppose regarding new players. One thing he is good at though is making excuses, and blaming everybody and everything else on someone else.All I know is if he got sacked tomorrow I wouldn't lose a moments sleep over it.

Oh ! Dear, Oh ! Dear.

 

[To Bee Someone]

4) If Carl Cort is good enough to be on the bench, surely he is good enough to throw on for 25 mins when we're 1 down to the side at the bottom of the league. He had no chance to make a difference in the minimal time he was given.

5) If we play Bostock on the left wing, give Wood a rest, play Taylor on the right wing, and replace the hopeless Foster at right back with either Wilson, Karleigh, or even O'Connor if we want to give Hunt another chance, surely the balance will be better simply because players will be in their correct positions.

Sorry, rant over. It's been a long and expensive day, and I've seen very little, in fact nothing at all, in return.

I agree with this totally. I seriously dont understand why Bostock isnt on the left seeing as Weston is out. Then when Weston is back, give him a whirl in the centre, im sure it wont do much harm?!

bring Hunt back in and stick KOC at Rb. I would also give Rhys Murphy a start now. if his Arsenal youth stats are anything to go by, he should give us the goals we need right now

 

[wayfarer172]

I agree with this totally. I seriously dont understand why Bostock isnt on the left seeing as Weston is out. Then when Weston is back, give him a whirl in the centre, im sure it wont do much harm?!

bring Hunt back in and stick KOC at Rb. I would also give Rhys Murphy a start now. if his Arsenal youth stats are anything to go by, he should give us the goals we need right now

I agree 100% but who would make way for Murphy?