Transfer naivety

[Bungey]

Does anyone else get the feeling there's something very naive about our financial management of transfers? There are many selling clubs at this level and most of them seem to be much shrewder than our management.

We seem to be being squeezed at both ends, getting lowish fees for the players we sell (Turner, and Sodje if the 300 grand to Swansea story is true) and then also suffering from hefty sell-on clauses.

Yeading were canny enough about DJ and Charlton doubly so, given how insignificant a player Turner was for them.

Meanwhile, most of the additional clauses we manage to wrangle are so ludicrous as to be almost worthless (Paul Smith playing for England, DJ scoring 20 goals a season in the Prem).

This trend goes back several years. Was it Holdsworth who we sold before without any sell on - I can't remember. But the point is that we seem pretty poor at maximising the very transfer income which we so need to stay afloat.

 

[Mr Cynical]

Does anyone else get the feeling there's something very naive about our financial management of transfers? There are many selling clubs at this level and most of them seem to be much shrewder than our management.

We seem to be being squeezed at both ends, getting lowish fees for the players we sell (Turner, and Sodje if the 300 grand to Swansea story is true) and then also suffering from hefty sell-on clauses.

Yeading were canny enough about DJ and Charlton doubly so, given how insignificant a player Turner was for them.

Meanwhile, most of the additional clauses we manage to wrangle are so ludicrous as to be almost worthless (Paul Smith playing for England, DJ scoring 20 goals a season in the Prem).

This trend goes back several years. Was it Holdsworth who we sold before without any sell on - I can't remember. But the point is that we seem pretty poor at maximising the very transfer income which we so need to stay afloat.

Unfortunately, it's a buyers market these days. Too few clubs are buying players for substantial sums of money, and with the threat of losing a player for nothing at the end of a contract it's pretty much take what you can get..

As for the add-ons, well at least we're putting them in now. Most people would probably have said Birmingham could stay up, in which case over a few seasons DJ may well have totted up 20 goals, who knows.. Paul Smith, was actually on the verge of being called up to the full England squad a while back before his disastrous season last year. He was apparently next in line after Green at Norwich.. At the time he left us he was highly rated by Clemence amongst others... it's just bad luck I'm afraid.. Can anyone confirm whether we did ever get the extra Paul Smith money or is that expected next season if he plays another game?

 

[rebus]

Does anyone else get the feeling there's something very naive about our financial management of transfers? There are many selling clubs at this level and most of them seem to be much shrewder than our management.

We seem to be being squeezed at both ends, getting lowish fees for the players we sell (Turner, and Sodje if the 300 grand to Swansea story is true) and then also suffering from hefty sell-on clauses.

Yeading were canny enough about DJ and Charlton doubly so, given how insignificant a player Turner was for them.

Meanwhile, most of the additional clauses we manage to wrangle are so ludicrous as to be almost worthless (Paul Smith playing for England, DJ scoring 20 goals a season in the Prem).

This trend goes back several years. Was it Holdsworth who we sold before without any sell on - I can't remember. But the point is that we seem pretty poor at maximising the very transfer income which we so need to stay afloat.

The key is getting your key performers "locked-in". Players that you want to keep, or move-on for a good amount, shouldn't have less than 18 months left on their deal.

Because of our finanical situation, we don't have that luxury of offering 3-4 year deals.

The hope is to find a DJ or two every now and then so that we can sell at a big profit.

 

[ChinaBee]

I am pleased that we have negotiated some addtional clauses with Hull, Turner will end up a premiership player if he continues to improve and Parkinson will get the best out of him I'm sure.
However if the rumours are true I am extremely dissappointed that we get no more money from Tabby's career

As for DJ and Smith as the previous post says they were pretty reasonable.

Sodje to Swansea

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I'm not sure (can't be bothered to check) but £375k would probably put Turner in the top 5 fees transfers paid to a Div 1 side for the whole of last season. The highest may well have been DJ. How, therefore, can they be bad deals when we are getting top of the market rates??

 

[Simon C]

How, therefore, can they be bad deals when we are getting top of the market rates??

Because the GPG is in full on panic mode.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Because the GPG is in full on panic mode.

As chilled as I am about it, you can't blame them.
I still expect a decent season on the basis that we are Brentford and it will happen. Maybe when I see the new signings I will cling to this thought or slightly change it.
Also Turner was worth a million squid in our eyes but not in the eyes of clubs who wanted him so his fee looks crap to most but sadly it sums up the transfer market and where we find ourselves in the pecking order of league football.
Tabb was a different scenario and his giveaway was down to the stupidity of a certain individual but replacing him with 125k is not possible as we can't afford to spend it and even if we could it is virtually an impossible task.
I understand the panic, I was ready for it whilst waiting for MA's departure to become news. That is how it happens.
Amen.

 

[Simon C]

As chilled as I am about it, you can't blame them.

Maybe but I did expect more people to fully understand the realities of our situation. We aren't playing Championship manager or operating on the same level as the Premiership clubs you read about in the tabloids.

 

[PJ]

Maybe but I did expect more people to fully understand the realities of our situation.

To be fair i reckon most Bees accept the situation we`re in. We are rebuilding the team, dont have a pot to pee in, have some expensive unwanted dross in our squad and our best players are bettering themselves.
I am expecting nothing better than the May/Walker season, so any kind of "success" this year will be a bonus

 

[Simon C]

To be fair i reckon most Bees accept the situation we`re in. We are rebuilding the team, dont have a pot to pee in, have some expensive unwanted dross in our squad and our best players are bettering themselves.
I am expecting nothing better than the May/Walker season, so any kind of "success" this year will be a bonus

That's common sense but I don't see much of it on here.

 

[wanderer paul]

Can anyone confirm whether we did ever get the extra Paul Smith money or is that expected next season if he plays another game?

Yes, its in the clubs budget spreadsheet, so unless JB has got it wrong
then yes Brentford did receive the extra 100k for the Paul Smith transfer.

 

[Edmundo]

Where does £125k for Tabb and £375k for Turner come from? Neither of them are the figures I heard?

 

[wanderer paul]

Where does £125k for Tabb and £375k for Turner come from? Neither of them are the figures I heard?

120k was in the Chronicle (as we all know they're always right on the nail! ) the 375K comes from Hull newspaper whereas Brentford say 350k with add ons. I'd say 470k ! but then how much will Brentford actually end up with ?

 

[Edmundo]

Well the Chronicle doesn't always get it right and I expect the Hull local paper doesn't always get it right either.

 

[wanderer paul]

Well the Chronicle doesn't always get it right .

what ! you're joking aren't you you mean to say i spend 40p (YES 40p) on a paper not telling the truth
i'm going to have to keep reading the GPG from now on and get all my info from here

 

[PJ]

Well the Chronicle doesn't always get it right and I expect the Hull local paper doesn't always get it right either.

Chron said Sam was going for £1m a couple of weeks ago!
Its £300k this week

 

[rebus]

Chron said Sam was going for £1m a couple of weeks ago!
Its £300k this week

You just can't get the staff... lol

 

[Edmundo]

Of course the Chronicle's ridiculous £1m story means that many people will think we've been done if we get a healthy £300k for Sam and leave people thinking the club has been naive - when the only naivety is in thinking that Sam could possibly be worth £1m.

 

[PJ]

Maybe Ed...... but Sam could go further in the game than Turner, due to the pace factor.
I think people are remembering Sam for his last couple of months rather than all the time before when, 95% of the time he was an awesome player (who will improve with better coaching)
He will be a big loss to our side.....FACT

 

[Edmundo]

Don't forget he's a lot older than Turner, PJ. I really don't reckon he's worth more than Turner is. I reckon Turner will play in the Premiership eventually and I also reckon Sam won't.

 

[Streetboy]

Can't speak for the Sodje £1m story as I was sunning myself in Holland that week, but I can assure you figures are not just plucked out of the air. The only time I recall being pulled up on a figure (last season's playing budget) came from an honest typo which was admitted straight away and corrected the following week (cue torrent of examples of mistakes... )

 

[Simon C]

Was it plucked out of the News of the World then?

 

[rebus]

Can't speak for the Sodje £1m story as I was sunning myself in Holland that week, but I can assure you figures are not just plucked out of the air. The only time I recall being pulled up on a figure (last season's playing budget) came from an honest typo which was admitted straight away and corrected the following week (cue torrent of examples of mistakes... )

Yes, but you know we weren't referring to you!

 

[Phoenixkeeper]

Where does £125k for Tabb and £375k for Turner come from? Neither of them are the figures I heard?

So what figures did you hear then?

 

[Edmundo]

I heard £350k for Turner - you can read it on the official site.

 

[Phoenixkeeper]

What figure did you hear for Tabb?

 

[Edmundo]

100k was the figure being bandied about. I think markbfc said he had heard it was a shade over 100k. I think there are more than four shades to 100k.

 

[Dangerous]

Can someone do a poll to find out the veiws of gpgers weather they think we will stay up, go up or get relagated.

 

[Edmundo]

What? So you can vote for us to go down? Can't be bothered, sorry. This thread is about "transfer naivety" anyway.

 

[ChinaBee]

Can someone do a poll to find out the veiws of gpgers weather they think we will stay up, go up or get relagated.

We should wait until some of the gaps have been filled to give a better chance

 

[Watford Bee]

The key is getting your key performers "locked-in". Players that you want to keep, or move-on for a good amount, shouldn't have less than 18 months left on their deal.

Because of our finanical situation, we don't have that luxury of offering 3-4 year deals.

The hope is to find a DJ or two every now and then so that we can sell at a big profit.

If you remember we gave Dobbo a 4-year deal and he seemed to lose his form (or maybe just his hunger) overnight.

 

[rebus]

If you remember we gave Dobbo a 4-year deal and he seemed to lose his form (or maybe just his hunger) overnight.

It was three years. I don't think he did either to be honest.