Turkey................when will FIFA......

[Voice from the Braemar]

have the guts to actually send someone to a game there and actually see what happens at MOST games.

once again they tried to intimidate another team(and looked liked it worked )by launching missiles at the macedonia players BUT no-one in any authority is f£$%in interested unless it involves England fans (who were only celebrating a magnificent vicory over these c$%s anway

no wonder we have an island mentality when it seems like half the world hates us:mad1: :mad1: :crazy1:

 

[eghambee]

They didnt even need to go to the game!
Watching it on sky before England game, once again players were hit by bottles etc just for celebrating a goal.

Lets wait and see what happens.

Sweet FA

And i dont mean what a lovely governing body we have!

 

[Brickie Chap]

We should be allowed to travel to that sh*t hole in October

 

[Simon T]

We should be allowed to travel to that sh*t hole in October

Wrong - the game should be played behind closed doors as it is clear that the Turkish police are unable to guarantee the safety of the players. If UEFA don't take any action, the FA should state publically before the game that they will take the team off if any missiles are thrown and then have the guts to back up their words.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Wrong! Who are you to tell me I am wrong

I should be allowed to travel freely and if Turkey can't guarantee my safety they should be thrown out of the competition. Its not even a European country!

When was the last time we killed a couple of fans on home turf...

 

[Simon T]

BC the point I was trying to make was that NOBODY should be in the stadium watching the game, the Turkish antics last night must surely get them at least a one game "rest" from playing in front of their fans in home fixtures.

 

[Brickie Chap]

I think that they should be made to play the game at Elland Road in front of 40k people born within 5 miles of the ground. Sounds fair to me

 

[Simon T]

I think that they should be made to play the game at Elland Road in front of 40k people born within 5 miles of the ground. Sounds fair to me

Now that's an idea that works for me. BTW it looks like July 3rd is the day when we find out if anybody at UEFA has any balls, lets hope they throw the book at them.

 

[Banana]

UEFA opens Turkey probe
Thursday, 12 June 2003
UEFA is to instigate disciplinary proceedings against the Turkish Football Association following crowd disturbances at last night's UEFA EURO 2004™ qualifying Group 7 match between Turkey and F.Y.R. Macedonia in Istanbul.

for more link is below:

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/News/Kind=8192/newsId=74515.html

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

Now that's an idea that works for me. BTW it looks like July 3rd is the day when we find out if anybody at UEFA has any balls, lets hope they throw the book at them.

theyre currently looking for a big broom at Eufa hq......lots of sweeping to do

 

[mhead bee]

Scum of the earth..the filthy pigs!!

They should have been kicked out about 6-7 years ago.

I bet they will only get a fine and we will go there with out the asssitance of our fans.

Christ I wish I was in charge, I would have the fukking balls to make a stand and stick by it. I would refuse to play the game full stop.
If we did that it could actually have an effect.

If italy refused to go there as head of the FA I would stand by them and pull out of all international competition. We could then form our own federation with the top sides and force the corupt ar5eholes out of business!

 

[Trandy]

http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1860-1093948,00.html

 

[Jambo]

We should be allowed to travel to that sh*t hole in October

If the game is on, and the FA decide to get tickets after all, you be going then Brickie Chap ?

 

[Trandy]

If the game is on, and the FA decide to get tickets after all, you be going then Brickie Chap ?

they have just turned down the macedonia tickets, so.......

http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1860-1093951,00.html

 

[Streetboy]

Have to agree with Bricky on this one.
What the England fans done vs Turkey basically boiled down to a few over-exubarent celebrations which were blown out of all proportion.
There may have been some racist chanting but how many times have English teams been victims of exactly that in European matches with sod all done about it?
I know two wrongs dont make a right but some people are far too ready to jump on any piece of minor disorder by an England fan and make out its the end of the civilised world.
All of which makes it worse when Turkish teams, and the Turkish national side, have been getting away with far worse for years.
I really hope the governing body grows some balls and throws the book at them this time.
But to ban England fans travelling smacks of a nanny state scenario within the halls of football's powers that be.
OK it would be a volatile atmosphere but if you dont fancy it dont go.
What next, play all matches which may be a bit 'tasty' behind closed doors? Ban singing in case it might 'offend' opposition fans?
Drunken rant over:yawn

 

[Brickie Chap]

If the game is on, and the FA decide to get tickets after all, you be going then Brickie Chap ?

Oh yes

 

[Bee H]

So, when will FIFA .....................

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/3015604.stm

 

[Boston Bee]

Oh my goodness, can you just IMAGINE if England fans just once did anything even a 100th time as bad as Turkey does on a regular basis at their matches.

Expect deafening silence from the FIFA. Hypocrites. The English FA should freak out when Turkey gets another "serious" warning.

 

[Banana]

More Eastern European fun here: http://www.uefa.com/competitions/IntertotoCup/news/Kind=1/newsId=76858.html

 

[Banana]

Turkey have overtaken England in the World Rankings:

http://www.fifa2.com/en/rank/index.html

 

[Brickie Chap]

Is there now a hoolie league?

 

[scaramanga]

Shame about Wales dropping a place. :grey:

 

[Brickie Chap]

You dont mean that do youlol

 

[Banana]

7->8th place: 14.3%
50->51st place: 2%

big difference huh!

 

[Brickie Chap]

What are you on about?

 

[eghambee]

At Last FIFA speaks out:

About us!

We could even be banned from World Cup as well!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/england/3034306.stm

 

[Stanley]

Typical, but then the events in Sunderland were far worse than has been seen from Turkish fans.

Middle aged , pot bellied men jumping on the pitch to kiss David Beckam is a much more serious matter than assaulting opposition players on the pitch.........................

 

[Edmundo]

There is a hooligan problem with Turkey and the statement acknowledges that.

What I can't get my head around is the people who deny that we have a hooligan problem too and that if it continues, we will deserve to be punished. Unfortunately, there are too many who are happy to excuse the behaviour of a minority by pointing to the behaviour of others - demanding leniency for England and tough action against other countries.

Does anyone think there isn't going to be trouble in Turkey and Portugal? What can be done to prevent it happening? Rather than talk about what other countries authorities and fans are doing, we have to sort this problem out ourselves.

 

[eghambee]

I believe we have a hooligan problem.
I believe there will be trouble in Portugal.

My two comments are that my perception of the current situation, is that not all countries with problems are being dealt with in a similar fashion.
That is my perception, as we know the media gives a slightly biased view of events to stir interest up, so it may not be fact.

But perception is key element to control here.


My second comment is that the media/Fifa/uefa/FA seem to have a very poor understanding of how to deal with the problems.

England are castigated for a goal celebration more than they seemed to be for the moronic behaviour outside the ground.

Mr Beckham is told to do a TV address (obviously not rehearsed) prior to a meaningless match, where no trouble would have ever happened.

The two coaches are to make a TV plea before the game in October.

Will any of these stop the trouble? No!
Probably add to the problem.

Ban England if fans CAUSE trouble, but ALSO ban Turkey following what happened in France and what ever happens in Turkey against many teams.


I like most people do not have an answer, but make sure all people are dealt with the same and get the press to talk up the game rather than stirring it.

 

[Boston Bee]

Thing is, I don't think that for the last 10 odd years there has been much of a denial that there was a problem that needed to be addressed. I think that it is quite the contrary - English football authorities and fans are bend-over-backward cognizant of anything even slightly out of order (see: did Bees fan racially abuse someone in an almost completely empty stadium during a reserve match? Should Brooks Road be closed down because one moron threw a bottle? circa 2002-03).

Because England makes such a show of confronting every 'incident' no matter how big or small (and because the tabs love to stir it up to the max) the perception has (opinion here) stayed bad while the reality has gotten far better. This is not to say that there isn't the possibility/probability of problems in Portugal. But there will be every possible effort to curtail the idiots.

My point is (finally) that Turkey could care less about their fan's behavior. They revel in that 'welcome to hell' stuff. Their perception isn't nearly what their reality is. And it is the beating up of the English FA because, well, they're all ready to self-flagilate as opposed to the Turks who'll lash out in response that shows the lack of bottle by the FIFA.

Rant over.

There is a hooligan problem with Turkey and the statement acknowledges that.

What I can't get my head around is the people who deny that we have a hooligan problem too and that if it continues, we will deserve to be punished. Unfortunately, there are too many who are happy to excuse the behaviour of a minority by pointing to the behaviour of others - demanding leniency for England and tough action against other countries.

Does anyone think there isn't going to be trouble in Turkey and Portugal? What can be done to prevent it happening? Rather than talk about what other countries authorities and fans are doing, we have to sort this problem out ourselves.

 

[nick logan]

There is a hooligan problem with Turkey and the statement acknowledges that.

What I can't get my head around is the people who deny that we have a hooligan problem too and that if it continues, we will deserve to be punished. Unfortunately, there are too many who are happy to excuse the behaviour of a minority by pointing to the behaviour of others - demanding leniency for England and tough action against other countries.

Does anyone think there isn't going to be trouble in Turkey and Portugal? What can be done to prevent it happening? Rather than talk about what other countries authorities and fans are doing, we have to sort this problem out ourselves.

seems to me no-one is saying we don't have a problem but recent events don't compare.2 deaths and multiple player assaults versus an over enthusiastic pitch invasion and a loud rendition of"stand up if you hate the turks"is not the same.i would quite happy if fifa banned us as long as they ban the others such as turkey,poland,germany,italy and holland who all have problems worse than ours.

 

[BootBee]

Got away with a £22k fine

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/3044148.stm

 

[Boston Bee]

£22k?!? Shameful. If you saw the Macedonia game...well, it was shocking. Riot police holding huge shields up over their heads to protect the Macedonian trying to take a corner from a rain of debris, players hit in the head with glass bottles, etc.

Just IMAGINE if an English crowd did this!

 

[Brickie Chap]

...but its not as bad as a few songs...after all sticks and stones dont break your bones do they...come forward the anti-English chaps...Eddie

 

[mhead bee]

I am absolutely furious and sickened, but not surprised. How many people do these scumbags have to murder and bottle (including players) before that corrupt organisation does what is right and proper?

Yes we have a problem, but our problem is just a play ground game of conkers compared to the turkish problem.

After foe died, the whole world took it hat off and bowed its head...the turks used the occassion to throw bottles and the french players!

The turks are reveling in the fact that they think they are becoming the worlds greatest football thugs. That is what happens when a third world country finally gets a TV and its youth are set free from the mud huts and goat herding and want the world to notice them. They see re runs of english fans in the 70's and think is the way they shall prove themselves. Unfortunately what they do not realise is the the English thugs, as thick and stupid as they are/were, never resorted to the cowardice of stabbing someone in the back in a dark alley or bravely throwing a bottle at a player from 50 yards behind 300 of their mates.


we should refuse to travel to turkey because we have no confidence in the protection of our players, make a stand, see how many other nations stand with us..

 

[Brickie Chap]

we should refuse to travel to turkey because we have no confidence in the protection of our players, make a stand, see how many other nations stand with us..

...we should let our 1500 banned lads travel to Turkey...

 

[Stanley]

I read the article with disbelief.

They took into acccount Turkey's good record and that the Macedonians caused provocation when celebrating their goal..................!!!!

No warning either I see of being thrown out the competition if any more trouble.

Typical copout by Uefa.

 

[Speedo]

I read the article with disbelief.

They took into acccount Turkey's good record and that the Macedonians caused provocation when celebrating their goal..................!!!!

No warning either I see of being thrown out the competition if any more trouble.

Typical copout by Uefa.

Apart from the incidents involving Leeds, Arsenal & England which we all know about. Here are some examples that were documented in the press or fans involved at the time told me about of Turkish fans 'good' behaviour over recent years: -


March 2003 - Beskitas v Lazio - Lazio attacked in ground, Lazio fan lucky not too lose sight in his left eye after being struck by a bottle. In the return leg in Rome riot police clashed with Beskitas fans.

Oct 2002 - Fenerbache fan has his ear sliced off by Gala' fans!!

March 2002 - Roma v Galatasaray - Fans, players and officials of both clubs fight during and after the game. UEFA blames Roma for starting the trouble despite evidence to the contray!!

Mar 2001 - PSG v Galatasaray - Fighting between Paris St Germain and Galatasaray fans and a pitch invasion by two Turkish supporters.

Euro 2000 - Sweden v Turkey in Eindhoven - Turkish fans took down a Swedish flag from a statue and replaced it with a turkish flag, around 1500 Turkish fans fought approx. 300 Swedish supporters.

Belgium v Turkey - A mainly Club Brugge mob of Belgium fans fought battles with Turkish fans, as well as Turkish locals after Blegium's defeat.


Domestic games in 1999/98 - Jetpaspor v Gaziantepspor - At least 90 people were injured when violence erupted at a Turkish first division match between Jetpaspor and Gaziantepspor. Four police were among the injured as fighting spread to the crowd. Two people were very seriously hurt!

Angry fans punched and kicked Turkey's national goalkeeper Rustu Recber after Fenerbache were knocked out of the Turkish Cup by lowly Pendikspor.
Pendikspor beat the wealthy Istanbul side 2-1 to the fury of a group of fans who besieged Fenerbache's ground for hours, threatening players inside.
Captain Recber recieved the worst of the treatment when fans opened the doors of his car as it left the complex and kicked and punched the keeper before the police arrived.

These incidents are the tip of the iceberg of course. Still, they were provoked in all cases

 

[hants in my pants]

didn`t even mention 2 leeds fans murdered.
brighton(man utd. fan?) blinded in 1 eye.

supporters girlfriends attacked with baseball bats while their other halves played a "friendly game" with the locals on the beach,

thousands [literally] of machete wielding maniacs being held back by armed police while visiting fans are escorted away from the ground.

 

[Speedo]

didn`t even mention 2 leeds fans murdered.
brighton(man utd. fan?) blinded in 1 eye.

I said at the start of my post we all know what happend involving Leeds, Arsenal and England (inc. fan losing eye in Turkey 1993) do sober up Hants

I have chronicled incidents involving other European countries rather the English fans vs Turkish as 1) Everybody already knows it. 2) For the Turkish apologists like Edmundo etc etc on here that believe that Turkish fans only cause trouble in reaction to those 'nasty nazi English fans' can see that the Turks have caused trouble throughout mainland Europe!

 

[WarrenBee]

According to the Blair Broadcasting Corporation,all flights to Turkey leading up to the ENGLAND game in October are fully booked.

 

[Edmundo]

Go on, Speedo. Misrepresent my views, why don't you?

 

[Speedo]

Go on, Speedo. Misrepresent my views, why don't you?

Oh...if you don't mind

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

Oh...if you don't mind